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This article appears to have a bias against breastfeeding, ignoring evidence-based medicine. Also, many good-faith recent edits attempting to neutralize some of the bias have been removed with no explanation. I'd like my suggestion that this page be up for discussion of its neutrality to at least be discussed and not summarily dismissed as vandalism. Suggested reading: http://www.het.brown.edu/people/kjp/stuff/watch_your_language.htm

I think it's already NPOV and has actually been mostly written by someone with a pro-breastfeeding bias. The recent edits have introduced far too much bias along with unnecessary content (such as information that should be included in paternal bond instead of here. Where you think there is a POV against breastfeeding please let me know and I will review it - for now I will remove the notice because no specific issues have been raised and I have checked it for bias myself. violet/riga (t) 06:54, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Further, one recent problem has been information that is too centred around the US and La Leche. violet/riga (t) 06:55, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Could you provide specific examples of the bias you see? This might help us see what you mean. --Westendgirl 05:48, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Not sure if that one is to me or the anon, but I was referring to the new additions being US and LLL-centred. violet/riga (t) 11:34, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This article appears to have a bias against breastfeeding, ignoring evidence-based medicine. Also, many good-faith recent edits attempting to neutralize some of the bias have been removed with no explanation. I'd like my suggestion that this page be up for discussion of its neutrality to at least be discussed and not summarily dismissed as vandalism. Suggested reading: http://www.het.brown.edu/people/kjp/stuff/watch_your_language.htm

I think it's already NPOV and has actually been mostly written by someone with a pro-breastfeeding bias. The recent edits have introduced far too much bias along with unnecessary content (such as information that should be included in paternal bond instead of here. Where you think there is a POV against breastfeeding please let me know and I will review it - for now I will remove the notice because no specific issues have been raised and I have checked it for bias myself. violet/riga (t) 06:54, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Further, one recent problem has been information that is too centred around the US and La Leche. violet/riga (t) 06:55, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Could you provide specific examples of the bias you see? This might help us see what you mean. --Westendgirl 05:48, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Statements from the article that subtly or not-so-subtly make breastfeeding seem difficult and impossible to achieve. See below. Reading these make it seem like in order to breastfeed, a mother must eat a perfect diet, be serenely relaxed, be prepared for embarassing leakage, expect problems with her partner, experience excrutiating pain, and even harm her infant.

"The thought of nursing or the sound of any baby can stimulate the process, causing unexpected leakage." (caution! you might leak! how embarassing!)

A statement of fact that does not give any POV. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How is stating the fact of the let-down process embarassing? I found it far more comforting to have learned in advance that this could happen. --Westendgirl 05:15, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Commonly both breasts can give out milk when one infant is feeding, but this and other problems often settle after two weeks of feeding." exactly what problem are you talking about here?

Other problems in general, though I agree it is too vague. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"One major cause of difficulties during breastfeeding is when the mother is in a stressed or anxious state of mind." (proof? why not blame the mother for not being relaxed enough.)

A stressed mother can have difficulties breastfeeding - that's true. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"While some partners may feel left out when the mother is feeding the baby," not sure why this is in an enclopedia article, sounds more like a marital problem, and a weaselly one at that

Some fathers can as they want the chance to breastfeed - again a fact and not a slur against breastfeeding! violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Breastfeeding, possibly alongside birth-related health problems, takes a lot of time." -- nothing to do with BFing. Same situation applies for formula feeding.

It is slower to breastfeed than give a formula feed especially when the woman is poorly. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"This may add pressure to the partner and the family, with them having to work harder, caring for the mother and performing tasks she would otherwise do. " again weaselly and hardly reference material fodder

I'll look at that in context to see if it should be removed. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"If looking after the child while the mother is away, the father may find it impractical or inappropriate to feed expressed breast milk to the infant. This may remove the choice of the mother of whether to breastfeed her child or not." huh? impractical or inappropriate in what way? nothing to do with BFing. Same situation applies for formula feeding.

Explained in another section and reworded completely. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"It is not uncommon for a mother and child to have difficulties breastfeeding, with some women unable to feed their child at all." put this in the complications section

It is the intro to the "Contraindications and complications" section and explains what the section will look at. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Others find it too problematic or choose not to attempt or continue breastfeeding for personal reasons." maybe there should be a "choosing to breastfeed" section?

That's a possibility but I can't think of what it would cover over and above what exists in the article. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

(The contraindications and complications section should be separated. Mixing the two makes things like masitis seem like a contraindication.)

Maybe, but there is an overlap. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Negative effects upon the infant Breastfeeding can be harmful to the infant if the mother:" (we need proof for this -- harmful how? is it more harmful to receive formula, or to received breastmilk with medication in it???? need clear proof of harm before this is stated)

This is about breastfeeding, not about the relative merits of breastfeeding compared to alternatives. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"is taking certain medications which may be passed onto the child through the milk and are found to be harmful. However, the vast majority of medications are compatible with breastfeeding. has had excessive exposure to heavy metals such as mercury" (again proof?)

There should be a reference for it - I'll attempt to find one. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"If the baby is large and grows quickly, the fat stores gained by the mother during pregnancy can be quickly depleted, and she may have trouble eating well enough to keep developing sufficient milk." proof?

Many textbooks say so, including some referenced here. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"The diet usually involves a high calorie, high nutrition diet which follows on from that in pregnancy. " proof?

Many textbooks say so, including some referenced here. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Breastfeeding mothers must use caution if they regularly consume nicotine through tobacco smoking. In addition to reducing the milk supply, heavy use of cigarettes by the mother (more than 20 per day) has been shown to cause vomiting, diarrhea, rapid heart rate, and restlessness in breastfeeding infants. Research is ongoing to determine whether the benefits of breastfeeding out-weigh the potential harm of nicotine in breast milk. "(Actually, we need to know whether nicotine in breastmilk is more risky than formula since that is what is subtly being recommended here)

No, we need to state that nicotine gets into breastmilk not compare it with alternatives. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"One criticism of breastfeeding is the difficulty in accurately monitoring the amount of food taken by the baby." criticism by who? how is this relevant?

A criticism by people against it. It states a slight problem that mothers may face. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

But why is it ok to include criticisms by people against breastfeeding if it is not ok to include benefits by people for breastfeeding? If we include criticisms, how is that balanced if no benefits opposite the criticism is presented. Saying, "One criticism of breastfeeding is..." is basically the same as saying "some mothers think..." or "some people believe..." Those types of statements have been disallowed previously.

"Expressed milk can also be used to assist a mother who is experiencing difficulty breastfeeding, in the later stages because of a newborn causing grazing and bruising or because of an older baby growing teeth and biting." proof? never heard of grazing or bruising

Usually through improper latch or removing the baby incorrectly, as stated previously in the article. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Though some dislike the idea of feeding their own child with another person's milk, others appreciate the ability to give their baby the benefits of breast milk." some = weasel

Find a statistic and put it in. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"It is not necessarily the case, however, that the appetite and feeding habits of both babies are the same. This leads to the complication of trying to feed each baby according to their individual requirements while also trying to breastfeed them both at the same time. In cases of multiple births with three or more children it is extremely difficult for the mother to organise feeding around the appetites of all of the babies. " Not relevant to breastfeeding. Same issue exists with FFing.

True - this may be better off in infant or a separate infant feeding habits article. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Although some may find it controversial, some women breastfeed their offspring for as many as three to seven years from birth." some = weasel

Again, find statistics and put them in. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

" Breastfeeding can make the mother thirsty and can last for up to an hour (usually in the early days, when both mother and baby are inexperienced) – it is therefore common for the mother to require a drink during the process." proof? never heard of this

Definately true and the references back it up. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Incorrect positioning is one of the main reasons for unsuccessful feeding and can easily cause pain in the nipple or breast." wait, i thought the mother's uptight attititude was the main reason for unsuccessful feeding

No need for that. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Breast and nipple pain -- this whole section should be part of "complications" and not a separate section.

Agreed that the section could be moved there. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Since the nutritional requirements of the baby must be satisfied solely by the breast milk in exclusive breastfeeding it is important for the mother to maintain a healthy lifestyle, especially with regards to her diet" proof? i thought the opposite was true, that even malnourished mothers produce adequate milk

An adequate supply yes, but not milk that is nutritious enough. There should be a reference for this one. violet/riga (t) 12:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

La Leche League says women produce nutritionally adequate milk even in famine conditions.[1] And it appears that, in famine conditions, breastmilk is fine, except for somewhat-weaned toddlers (who rely on food, not just breastmilk) and babies born too close together for the mother to produce adequate milk.breastfeedingbirthspacing.pdf--Westendgirl 23:02, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The Subcommittee on Nutrition during Lactation seems to suggest that nutrition is an important thing and backs up the high calorie statement:

"A malnourished mother may have inadequate levels of vitamins A, D, B6 and B12 in her milk, and may risk decreased milk supply."

"The Subcommittee on Nutrition during Lactation advises breastfeeding mothers to take in 1500-1800 calories per day." [2]

I'm going to add this now. violet/riga (t) 23:38, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Nutrition for the breastfeeding mom" at BellaOnline.com discusses essential fatty acids, particularly omega-3. While very interesting and well-written it doesn't make any citations and I don't really consider BellaOnline.com to be a strong voice on the subject. Perhaps it's a starting point and could be added until better references can back it up. violet/riga (t) 00:31, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Health Canada (official Canadian government site) says that Omega 3 occurs naturally in breast milk.[3] We can include this information. However, it doesn't say whether this varies according to the diet of the mother. For example, do fish-eating Scandinavians have higher levels than Canadians? --Westendgirl 20:33, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"If looking after the child while the mother is away, the father may find it impractical or inappropriate to feed expressed breast milk to the infant. This may remove the choice of the mother of whether to breastfeed her child or not."

What does this mean? What would be more practical, a bottle of formula would have to be fed the same way; and what is meant by "inappropriate"? Is this a reference to the family dynamics or social beliefs in some cultures? I would like to see some clarification of how a father's discomfort with feeding expressed milk could possibly "remove the choice of the mother". Can it be reworded to show both sides of the theoretical situation - it is referring to the idea that a father's discomfort with feeding the baby would be an insurmountable problem and make a woman give up the thought of nursing her baby? Can we see some references to the father's needs being the priority, and then balance them by including some possible solutions to the problem? I think both could be presented briefly, those few sentences as it stands make it appear as though the father has the absolute power to take away a mother's choice. And maybe in some places they do, but to say so and not mention any alternative seems unbalanced.

I take it that "impractical" refers to the fact that the mother must express her milk and leave it, perhaps therefore being impractical for the mother more than the father. "Inappropriate" would refer to men feeling odd at feeding the mother's milk to the child, especially if the couple are separated. This would remove the choice of the mother if the father has access rights but refuses to give the child breast milk. Perhaps it could be slightly reworded to better reflect this. violet/riga (t) 10:02, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If the father has visitation with his child and refuses to feed expressed milk, it does not remove the mother's choice to breastfeed. That is an opinion statement and should be reworded. The mother can pump while the baby is with the father and resume nursing when the baby is returned home. With an older baby, she may choose to cease pumping and just nurse whenever mother and baby are together. It is simply untrue that if a father doesn't like feeding expressed milk, the mother has no choices. She does. She may not like them and they may make life more complicated for a while, but those subjective issues are not typically addressed in a reference article. It would be more accurate to say that a father's discomfort with feeding expressed milk can have an affect on breastfeeding management choices made by the mother.

Hence the rewording which I believe, and I hope everyone agrees, is better. violet/riga (t) 20:09, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Mothers can also buy or hire breast pumps to extract the milk, if nipple pain becomes unbearable."

While this is not an untrue statement (yes, mothers can get a pump and use it when they have sore nipples) it is based on the incorrect assumption that the use of the pump is a solution to the problem of sore nipples. It gives the impression that a mother can simply switch to pumping instead of nursing from the breast, give her baby the expressed milk, and all will be well. That is not the case. I have never seen pumping offered as a first choice solution for soreness in any reputable breastfeeding resource, nor was that a solution in the eyes of the lactation consultants I saw after my son was born. I have seen it offered merely as a very short term way to obtain a brief respite from difficulties, while in the process of solving the problem, but with the caveat that pumping and bottlefeeding have their own drawbacks and possible complications that would be better avoided.

Most breastfeeding experts agree that the main cause of soreness is incorrect latch which can have various causes. Pumping does nothing to remove the cause of the problem, and in some cases can itself be painful. A breastfeeding mother with sore nipples must seek help to determine the cause of the problem so that it may be solved. I would like to see this sentence replaced with a fact based, expert supported statement about what a mother can do if she has sore nipples.

If the latch is the problem then expression can be used as a short-term solution to allow the nipples to become less sore and then, having taken advice regarding proper latch, give the mother the chance to start breastfeeding again. The sentence does not say that it is a good thing to stop breastfeeding and change over to EBM. violet/riga (t) 10:08, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In addition, the extremely negative use of descriptions of pain make it easy to see why some parts of this article are being seen as biased. Referring to breastfeeding as something that has to be "endured" and can cause "unbearable" pain seems less than neutral. We can surely describe the very real problems some breastfeeding mothers have in a truly neutral way, without resorting to descriptives that seem designed to evoke negative reaction.

Nowhere does it say that it happens to everyone. We should avoid weasel terms such as "some women" and "a small amount of" but I'm not aware of any published statistics regarding the number of women that have sore nipples. The word "unbearable" is fine in this situation because the woman should only turn to expressing if she can no longer bear the pain. violet/riga (t) 10:08, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I agree that the use of "endured" is loaded. I've reworded this statement. I also added several statements about sources of pain -- including breast pumps. While breast pumps are not a first choice for dealing with pain, women can turn to them if they want to continue to feed their child (expressed) breastmilk while allowing nipples to heal and learning to latch better. --Westendgirl 05:44, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Once again I've just had to revert changes to this article because an unregistered user has introduced biased wording. This time it changed the lead, which is supposed to give a summary of the article rather than present a one-sided view.

I wholeheartedly agree that breastfeeding is the correct thing to do, but we must reflect that some people choose not to. Yes, it is recommended by WHO and most other organisations but the rewrites keep adding a wording bias which almost implies that you're an unfit mother if you don't breastfeed your child.

Please can these changes be discussed here before changing the article, just like the above two sections are working to a solution. violet/riga (t) 11:40, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I read the change and felt it was 100% appropriate. This article is about breastfeeding, not about people who choose not to. You are projecting your own guilt or something by removing neutral POV edits.

"Breast milk is the standard for infant feeding -- all others forms of nutrition have been shown to be inferior to the nutrition provided from breast milk. " this statement should not have been removed. It is scientifically and neutral in value. If someone feels it is talking about unfit mothers, that person is reading something into it that doesn't appear.

That's an absurd accusation. The changes made did not reflect Wikipedia policy on lead sections. I've added to it to present a better way of what I think you were trying to say. violet/riga (t) 11:55, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Just quoting you where you said "adding a wording bias which almost implies that you're an unfit mother if you don't breastfeed your child." -- hardly an absurd accusation when it's there in your own words. Scientific *fact* is that all other feeding methods are inferior. Says nothng about fitness as a mother as you seem to feel it implies. Or are you trying to say that you believe that formula is just as good?

Why on Earth would you think I was talking about my inner feelings when I said that?! As I've already said I agree that it is better for the infant but there are many women that choose (or are forced or even advised in some countries in history) not to breastfeed. violet/riga (t) 12:20, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Your statement is also true, but it does not invalidate the truth or the validity or the neutrality of the statement you deleted.

This article is supposed to be a description of Breastfeeding, not a vehicle for promoting the practice. Please note Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not: "Wikipedia articles are not... advocacy of any kind. Of course, an article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to approach a neutral point of view. You might wish to go to Usenet or start a blog if you want to convince people of the merits of your favorite views." Jayjg ^(talk) 19:32, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Breast milk is the standard for infant feeding -- all others forms of nutrition have been shown to be inferior to the nutrition provided from breast milk. " It would be helpful to consider whether it is a statement supported by experts in the field or a statement of opinion which has no place here. I have explored the following sources looking for information that contradicts this statement or identifies it as subjective or controversial. I am also searching through my copy of “Breastfeeding, Biocultural Perspectives”. American Academy of Pediatrics: [4] World Health Organization: [5] American Academy of Family Physicians: [6] American Dietetic Association: [7] Dr. Palmer’s research and findings: [www.babyreference.com]

In reading through the breastfeeding information offered by these sources, so far I find nothing to indicate that medical professionals consider any other form of nutrition equal to breastmilk. The statement above certainly does appear to be expert supported and in no way a misrepresentation of the current best scientific information. There is no valid reason to remove it from the article unless it can be shown to be a subjective statement rather than an accurate portrayal of the current information on the topic of infant nutrition.

Uh huh. Well, the information about the specific benefits of Breast milk, if properly cited and expressed in a NPOV way, can certainly added to the Breast milk article. Broad handwaving statements are great for pamphlets but of little use in an encyclopedia. Jayjg ^(talk) 20:40, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I would like to challenge the references used for the article. Ive read that you are refereing to textbooks for your information, but not citing the texts used. The following are texts acknowledge by nursing professionals for the accurate information regarding lactation. Whle the the books cited by the royal College of Midwives and LLL are excellent books, I'm dissapointed that not more texts have been cited as reference material. The following are additonal sources that can be used:

Riordan, j. Breastfeeding and Human Lactation. Boston; London: Jones & Bartlett, Third editon, 2004

Lawrence, R. Breastfeeding: A Guide for the Medical Profession. St. Louis, MO: CV Mosby, fith edition

Wilson-Clay, B. and Hoover, K. The Breastfeeding Atlas. Austin, TX: Lactnews Press, Second Edition

Journal of Human Lactation.

I would be happy to continue to post reference material for your use.

looks like the mothing.com forums are involved with theis one [8]

That was a very interesting read, thanks for that. violet/riga (t) 18:35, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I feel that the current article covers only the Human POV. Is it that the name is not applied to other animals? -- Sundar (talk · contribs) 11:25, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

The term is usually just used for humans - animals just "feed" their young - though I agree there is certainly a lack of animal feeding information that could do well in another article. violet/riga (t) 12:02, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. -- Sundar (talk · contribs) 12:07, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

Wasn't that lactation or suckling (both now redirect here)? Animals do not have breasts - they have udders and teats. JFW | T@lk 12:14, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

While I agree that the article is human-centric, it is true that some animals have breasts, such as gorillas and elephants

Is this the best title for this section? The effects cited only occur if the mother is engaging in negative activities, such as drugs. Thus, it's not that breastfeeding has a negative effect, but that there can be negative outcomes if the mother engages in negative activities. I'm not able to offer a better term, but I think the current title is misleading. If breastfeeding itself has negative effects, then those should be included -- but they aren't right now. --Westendgirl 06:55, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

We could put "Potential" in front of it? violet/riga (t) 10:19, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from, but it's still not the breastfeeding that has a negative effect. How about "Contraindicated maternal activities"? That's the real issue. --Westendgirl 00:47, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Things not to do when breastfeeding" ? Mozzerati 06:59, 2005 Apr 2 (UTC)

Teething is not a problem for breastfeeding. Source: http://www.lalecheleague.org/NB/NBMarApr99p36.html

Agreed, and the edits you have made are good ones. I think that many mothers see teething as an appropriate time to wean because most tend to not want to continue after a few months of feeding. Yes, you should breastfeed for six months or so but I think many look at teething as an excuse - it does complicate things (if not the teeth then the gum pain) even if only slightly. violet/riga (t) 23:39, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Request page protection for article I have requested page protection for the article as Violetriga's unilateral reverting of my adding a balanced view is against policy. It is not allowed to revert such an edit, rather adding the balanced opposing view to an article is good policy. Also Violetriga has abused the 3 revert rule here and also broken the policy of starting an edit war rather than discussion.Kreen

Your statement that "Violetriga has abused the 3 revert rule here" is false. According to the page history, Violetriga reverted your edit once. Do not make false accusations. — Matt Crypto 20:27, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Kreen, if you are right you have to back up your claim. Stating that feeding in public should be allowed under European law, and that the UK law is "illegal", is original research unless you can support this. Protection will not help you; VioletRiga is an administrator, and you are not. This means that she can edit the article, and you cannot. I'd go for a request for comment if you're desperate. JFW | T@lk 20:28, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

there's concerns of breast feeding to sagging. Though, the article doesn't mention it? Xah Lee 23:17, 2005 Apr 4 (UTC)

Could be a good topic to touch on in a "breastfeeding myths" section. It comes up freqently among mothers in conversation. Hormones like relaxin soften tissues during pregnancy, and engorgement happens when the milk comes in whether a mother breastfeeds or not. Genetics also plays a part.

I think this article should take into account the information presented in male lactation and breast. In particular the addition to ,or re-wording of, the initial paragraph that takes into account that 'breastfeeding' is a word that applies to the feeding of a baby with human milk and only strictly applies to the breast because that feeding is assumed to take place by women. I feel that the emphasis on breastfeeding relating strictly to the breasts as opposed to the act of feeding could be considered an anachonistic POV. --219.88.188.28 23:08, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, more men should breastfeed. JFW | T@lk 00:55, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I find it rather irritating that weaning redirects here. The top of the breastfeeding article makes no mention of weaning. Weaning gets only a 2nd-level section, buried way down near the bottom. AlbertCahalan 04:42, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Given the current content regarding weaning I think it's the best way, really. If you can think of how to make a worthwhile separate article, however, then go for it. violet/riga (t) 10:07, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Does it seem to anyone else as if the paragraph on marijuana is hinting at defending the use of marijuana during pregnancy? unsigned comment by User:68.18.105.26.

Yes, nice catch. I've rewritten that paragraph to more accurately summarize what the AAP report said and remove original research or commentary. I've also added a cite to the research article the AAP report was based on in the References section. Nandesuka 19:35, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed today that there was no Wikipedia entry for Supplemental Nursing System, so I wrote a stub... anyone who would like to go add to it would be welcome. Also, as I wrote it up, I made reference to the advice available from a lactation consultant only to discover that there is no article on that topic yet. Would anyone be willing to get that started? Thanks in advance! Mamawrites 17:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware that this topic has been controversial in the past. However, I felt it necessary to make some minor changes to the article.

• I removed the link to CIRP, on grounds that an advocacy site is not a reliable source.
• I clarified that the study found this problem in cases of inadequate anaesthesia (as the study concluded). To generalise from it to circumcision in general is original research.

I hope that everyone will agree. - Jakew 13:37, August 27, 2005 (UTC)