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This article is in a very sad state. It lost nearly a third of all of its information in a single vandalism event, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wiki&diff=193481780&oldid=193229995 here], and no one has caught it until now? That's ridiculous. [[User:Gary King|Gary King]] ([[User talk:Gary King|talk]]) 03:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
This article is in a very sad state. It lost nearly a third of all of its information in a single vandalism event, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wiki&diff=193481780&oldid=193229995 here], and no one has caught it until now? That's ridiculous. [[User:Gary King|Gary King]] ([[User talk:Gary King|talk]]) 03:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Definition ==

In [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wiki&diff=164450195&oldid=163797460 this] edit, a user changed the definition completely, from
:''A '''wiki''' is a medium which can be edited by anyone with access to it, and provides an easy method for [[hyperlink|linking]] from one page to another.''
to
:''A '''wiki''' is computer software that allows users to easily edit, create, and [[hyperlink|link]] web pages.''
- with no other reference or justification than exclaiming ''"Medium? It's software."'', apparently unaware of the Wikipedia principle that information should be based on [[Wikipedia:reliable sources|reliable sources]], not personal opinions. (It also contradicts most of the rest of the article, and the fact that there is a separate entry about [[Wiki software]].)

For the word "wiki" as it is used today, all the reliable sources that I am aware of give a version of the first definition, e.g. the [[Oxford English Dictionary]]:
:''A type of web page designed so that its content can be edited by anyone who accesses it, using a simplified markup language.'' [http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50293088]
or the Britannica article:
:''World Wide Web (WWW) site that can be modified or contributed to by users. Wikis can be dated to 1995, when American computer programmer Ward Cunningham created a new collaborative technology for organizing information on Web sites. Using a Hawaiian term meaning “quick,” he called this new software WikiWikiWeb ...''[http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9404276/wiki]

It is true that Cunningham used "wiki" initially to denote one specific program, his first implementation of the concept around 1995:
:''I named the technology WikiWikiWeb. [...] My first implementation was as a Unix program, which are traditionally radically abbreviated and all lower case: [[cal (Unix)|cal]] for Calendar. So, following this convention, my first implementation of WikiWikiWeb technology was with a program named wiki. This shows up in the URL for the site and has become the shorthand term for the technology.''[http://c2.com/doc/etymology.html]

In "the technology", it is not specified if the medium or the software is meant, but further down he seems to indicate that he is talking about the medium:
:''I wanted an unusual word to name for what was an unusual technology. I was not trying to duplicate any existing medium, like mail, so I didn't want a name like electronic mail (email) for my work.''
In any case, the prevalent usage today seems to be the medium, not the software (similar to [[database]] vs. [[database management system]]).
That seems also to have been the conclusion of the publishers of the OED, to whom the above correspondence of Ward Cunningham was directed.

Regards, [[User:High on a tree|High on a tree]] ([[User talk:High on a tree|talk]]) 17:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia is a Wiki? (NO!)

It says in the very first paragraph that Wikipedia is a Wiki. WHAT?! NO! WIKITUBIA is a WIKI. WIKIPEDIA is a WIKIMEDIA PROJECT! Or, is it? NuttyGorillaWiki (talk) 23:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

eh? wiki refers to software in that first paragraph not ownership? --Fredrick day 23:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

Sorry, I see it was a bad idea to remove the protection, so it's back again. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:57, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of Recent Citation

"Wikipedia is one of the best known wikis." I'd like this to have a new citation. Is it doable? Or is it still recent enough to be considered good?Beam (talk) 03:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Best known or best-known?

Unless it's supposed to mean "well-known," isn't this POV? 71.246.222.208 (talk) 19:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article is in a sorry state

This article is in a very sad state. It lost nearly a third of all of its information in a single vandalism event, here, and no one has caught it until now? That's ridiculous. Gary King (talk) 03:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Definition

In this edit, a user changed the definition completely, from

A wiki is a medium which can be edited by anyone with access to it, and provides an easy method for linking from one page to another.

to

A wiki is computer software that allows users to easily edit, create, and link web pages.

- with no other reference or justification than exclaiming "Medium? It's software.", apparently unaware of the Wikipedia principle that information should be based on reliable sources, not personal opinions. (It also contradicts most of the rest of the article, and the fact that there is a separate entry about Wiki software.)

For the word "wiki" as it is used today, all the reliable sources that I am aware of give a version of the first definition, e.g. the Oxford English Dictionary:

A type of web page designed so that its content can be edited by anyone who accesses it, using a simplified markup language. [1]

or the Britannica article:

World Wide Web (WWW) site that can be modified or contributed to by users. Wikis can be dated to 1995, when American computer programmer Ward Cunningham created a new collaborative technology for organizing information on Web sites. Using a Hawaiian term meaning “quick,” he called this new software WikiWikiWeb ...[2]

It is true that Cunningham used "wiki" initially to denote one specific program, his first implementation of the concept around 1995:

I named the technology WikiWikiWeb. [...] My first implementation was as a Unix program, which are traditionally radically abbreviated and all lower case: cal for Calendar. So, following this convention, my first implementation of WikiWikiWeb technology was with a program named wiki. This shows up in the URL for the site and has become the shorthand term for the technology.[3]

In "the technology", it is not specified if the medium or the software is meant, but further down he seems to indicate that he is talking about the medium:

I wanted an unusual word to name for what was an unusual technology. I was not trying to duplicate any existing medium, like mail, so I didn't want a name like electronic mail (email) for my work.

In any case, the prevalent usage today seems to be the medium, not the software (similar to database vs. database management system). That seems also to have been the conclusion of the publishers of the OED, to whom the above correspondence of Ward Cunningham was directed.

Regards, High on a tree (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]