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[[Franklin E. Kameny]] says Kameny founded the [[Mattachine Society]] with Jack Nichols, making no mention of [[Harry Hay]]. But the [[Mattachine Society]] article says it was founded by "Harry Hay with a small group of friends". Which is right? [[User:Dybryd|Dybryd]] 01:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
[[Franklin E. Kameny]] says Kameny founded the [[Mattachine Society]] with Jack Nichols, making no mention of [[Harry Hay]]. But the [[Mattachine Society]] article says it was founded by "Harry Hay with a small group of friends". Which is right? [[User:Dybryd|Dybryd]] 01:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's the difference: The Mattachine Society that Harry Hay founded eventually became a national organization with chapters intermittently established in various cities. Still later, it shrank to its headquarters entity, by that time relocated in San Francisco. Meanwhile, independent organizations using the name Mattachine were formed in some cities, including cities that had previously hosted chapters of the once-national Mattachine Society. For instance, the Mattachine Society of Washington was formed by Kameny in 1961. The Mattachine Society of New York had been formed as a separate organization in the waning days of the national Mattachine Society, which had had a New York chapter. Mattachine Midwest was formed in Chicago in 1965 as an independent organization; Chicago had previously had at least two short-lived chapters of the national Mattachine Society. [[User:Wbkelley|Wbkelley]] ([[User talk:Wbkelley|talk]]) 06:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

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Between a rock and a hard place

Wasn't Hay booted out of his own Mattachine Society for his communism, as well as being booted out of the CPUSA for his open homosexuality? -- Jmabel | Talk 05:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NAMBLA

Why is there no mention of his involvement with NAMBLA? It's well documented and there are many photographs of Harry Hay holding NAMBLA signs.--64.205.57.18 14:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If so, why don't you do it? Hyacinth 21:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have added in it an NPOV way, I hope--Dudeman5685 05:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Kepner Comments

Comments attributed to Jim Kepner in his review of "Radically Gay: Gay Liberation in the Words of Harry Hay," take issue with some of the claims made by Harry Hay. Like, how could Harry Hay have founded the Radical Faerie movement at a time when other people were already holding Faerie gatherings and publishing? Also, other sources of information are that Harry Hay does admit being inspired by Henry Gerber's Society for Human Rights in Chicago. See additional comments at: http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/reviews/011000re.htm

John Burnside

The article states that in 1963 Harry Hay had a lover named John Burnside. It links to Scottish author John Burnside, who was born in 1955. Now, unless Harry Hay was a member of the radical wing of NAMBLA, this must be the wrong John Burnside :-)

I have removed the link. I'd suggest restoring it once somebody supplies a disambiguation page for John Burnside. --69.49.165.251 05:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Founding Mattachine?

Franklin E. Kameny says Kameny founded the Mattachine Society with Jack Nichols, making no mention of Harry Hay. But the Mattachine Society article says it was founded by "Harry Hay with a small group of friends". Which is right? Dybryd 01:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the difference: The Mattachine Society that Harry Hay founded eventually became a national organization with chapters intermittently established in various cities. Still later, it shrank to its headquarters entity, by that time relocated in San Francisco. Meanwhile, independent organizations using the name Mattachine were formed in some cities, including cities that had previously hosted chapters of the once-national Mattachine Society. For instance, the Mattachine Society of Washington was formed by Kameny in 1961. The Mattachine Society of New York had been formed as a separate organization in the waning days of the national Mattachine Society, which had had a New York chapter. Mattachine Midwest was formed in Chicago in 1965 as an independent organization; Chicago had previously had at least two short-lived chapters of the national Mattachine Society. Wbkelley (talk) 06:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]