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An authentic Cuban Sandwich should be made with "mojo" not mustard. Mojo is an olive oil and garlic sauce that is made fresh daily.

What evidence do you have to support this? "mojo" is a citrus/garlic marinade that is used on the pork roast that goes into the sandwich. However, yellow mustard is a standard condiment on the sandwich.DCM 16:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hope the extensive cleaning up meets everyone's approval. I left in all the facts that were already in the article, but made it more clear that there are regional differences in what makes a "true" Cuban. Zeng8r 02:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some editors are far too quick to eliminate a whole paragraph or section when they don't like the way something is worded. Please rewrite the specific parts you think need fixing so that the surrounding (accurate and cited) information remains in the article. Zeng8r 11:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a Tampa resident, your edits are noticeably biased and POV. Starting from the top: "traditionally, the pork is marinated in mojo sauce", there are countless Cuban sandwich shops and restaurants that do not use mojo sauce, just because some Tampa sandwich shops do it, doesn't make it "traditional" or even commonplace. Your characterization of a plancha being very similar to a panini grill is completely inaccurate. Both are heated devices used as sandwich presses, but the similarities end there. What makes a plancha or Cuban sandwich press distinct is that its panels are flat, not grooved, panini grills do not effectively and evenly heat a sandwich cubano. "All interested parties agree with the above list of ingredients" that's blatantly POV. "In Miami, your sandwich would be complete" says who? Who are these interested parties? "In other places, however, more items are needed to make the sandwich a "true" Cuban" says who? These are all opinions. "Another variation replaces Cuban bread with panini bread. This is more common in the northern United States" There's nothing to indicate that its commonplace, let alone in the Northern U.S., that use panini bread in place of Cuban bread. You'll never find a source to support this because its not true, and even if a handful of people did it, it wouldn't be notable enough to mention. Just because a handful of people believe that Bud Light tests better with a splash of tabasco sauce and lime juice doesn't mean its worth mentioning on the Bud entry. Being from Tampa doesn't make you an expert by proxy on the Cuban sandwich, back up your additions with real sources and avoid blatantly point of view comments. 65.0.105.181 07:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right now, the only issue is that Zeng8r is not writing in an encyclopedic tone. The content added was alright, just not exactly appropriate for an encyclopedia article on a sandwich. Maybe if this were for a history piece on Ybor City or the sandwich in Tampa, then the tone would be appropriate. I've tried to fix these problems by going back to a prior version, and utilizing the text and references added by Zeng8r.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A few comments for the unregistered user who likes to use 2nd person pronouns:

1) Without a point of view, one cannot see. It's also impossible to write without one. What you strive for in neutral articles is a balanced POV; these people think this, these others think that. Coincidentally (or not), that's exactly how the article is written.

2)The article is actually well sourced with information about what kind of Cuban sandwiches are made where. Did you click on the references before going off at the keyboard? On a related note, I'm kinda surprised that someone who claims to be from Tampa would add all those "needs citation" markers to very commonly known information in the Cuban bread article. Everyone should have a good grasp of local history, imo.

3)Some of the facts and comments you objected to (such as the whole panini thing) have been part of this article for a long time. Having some respect for the knowledge of fellow wikipedians, I left them in when the article was reorganized. Just because I've never heard of something certainly doesn't mean that it's not true.

4) I can't believe you would become so incensed about an article on a sandwich.

As for the tone, there was absolutely nothing wrong with it, imo, but we can agree to disagree. I can't agree, however, on the gutting of the history section. There's a very interesting back story as to why this simple food has 2 (or three) claims to ownership, and to why it is so common in a few places but hard to find anywhere else. Without the history, the article is just a recipe, and much useful information is lost.

So, taking into account all the comments made by everyone, I'll spend a few minutes restoring and adjusting. And, in honor of this conversation, I'll get myself a (Tampa-style) Cuban for lunch. Zeng8r 11:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some statements in this article contradict the references and links.