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Just Noticed That There is an interesting fact about dogs that hasnt been written, its the fact that according to new research that all dogs desend from the grey wolf - provided from natioanl geographic documentory animals in the womb.. Gleno101 01:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

You didn't read as far as the first line of the article, then? -- Ian Dalziel 05:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

The section on dog communication is longer than the Main Article it links to. What is there is mostly cc'ed. If there are no objections I will move the content to that article and leave a summary here. Robogun 01:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

In relation to this, I've gone ahead and removed everything in that section except for the main article link. I don't think it's something that needs a consensus, but please do voice objection if you have them. Tockeg 22:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't see ANYTHING in the article mentioning how dogs use scent to mark territory. 71.132.232.118 08:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC) Larry 10 FEB 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.132.232.118 (talk) 08:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

yeah I had a quick scan and can't seem to find anything either. Something to add maybe... Think outside the box 12:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I am doing a science experiment about whether most dogs prefer to use their left paw instead of their right to complete everyday tasks for school.I also have to write a research report.I could not find one article about dogs brains or their functions.Consider adding this kind of article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.83.166.28 (talk) 01:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

Why do pugs stick there tongues out all the time?

This isn't a classroom or a blog about dogs, but see http://www.doctordog.com/drdognewsletter/tongue.html, http://www.springerlink.com/content/n3u34u4220384846/, etc.

Dogs reproduce doggy-style. It is common for dogs to get stuck together when breeding and there isn't anything to worry about. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.129.55.132 (talk) 13:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

For dogs to become ill when eating chocoalte they have to eat at least their weight in chocolate. *NOTE: This is an untrue and dangerous statement. Dogs can become ill and die from even a small amount of chocolate depending on how dark a chocolate it is, and on the dog's age and state of health.

Actually, according to the article on theobromine poisoning (the active ingredient in chocolate poisoning in dogs and cats), about 10 oz of dark chocolate would kill a medium-sized dog of about 30-35 lbs.

Regarding the health of vegetarian dogs, I found a very appropriate example to back up the information. Please consider adding, after the 6th sentence (or wherever you see fit), the following sentence and citation:

In 2002 it was revealed that Britain's oldest living dog (age 27) ate an exclusively vegan diet typically consisting of "rice, lentils and organic vegetables"^[1]

("Vegetable-Eating Dog Lives to Ripe Old Age of 27" Canine Nation. Published: 2002-Sep-18 http://dogsinthenews.com/issues/0209/articles/020918a.htm) *NOTE: Although this claims to be a news story, the The only sources for this seem to be vegan home pages and people's blogs. It would only be worth including if a reliable and verifiable source could be provided.

Joseph 72.94.198.129 01:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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You have to decide if the domestic dog should be called "canis familiaris" (which means that the dog is an own species) or "canis lupus forma familiaris" (which means that the dog is a sub-species of the wolf)- "canis lupus familiaris" is wrong. If you want to call the dog "canis lupus familiaris", you have to add the expression "forma"; this would mean that the dog is the domestic form of the wolf.

The version of evolution/ development of dog species and varieties contained in the "dog" article is factually incorrect. It is based on the earlier "Science" article that proposed multiple origins from wolves. That is now discredited by the same authors in their more recent "Science" article, as summarized in the version contained in the "origin of the domestic dog" article, which should be used instead of that currently in the "dog" article. OccDoc 23:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I want to explain why I reverted the edit about corn and wheat, since the editor is concerned about why it was reverted before. The first reason is that I don't think it's necessary to say that corn and wheat aren't inherently toxic - I don't think that there is anyone confused by that. Second, I wouldn't consider Petyourdog to be a reliable source. Third, the website seems to suggest that feeding your dog food containing corn or wheat gluten is still a bad idea, so it doesn't support what the editor added. -Joelmills 16:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

This section is vague and offers no hard number regarding the variety of dog shapes & sizes. Sizes and weights should be noted for the heaviest dog (343 lbs) and the lightest dog (27 oz) to back up the opening statement ("Modern dog breeds show more variation in size, appearance, and behavior than any other domestic animal.") I have found a current source which lists all of the record holders here:

"Biggest dog, smallest dog, shortest dog, tallest dog" (Canine Nation. Apr 15, 2007) http://dogsinthenews.com/stories/070415a.php

Anyone object to replacing the caption on the photo in the Dog Laughter section? It is not very good at the moment. 66.19.242.87 10:46, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Changed it. Any suggestions on a better caption? -Joelmills 00:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I need to know how long dogs usually live. 66.19.242.87 10:46, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

That varies dramatically by breed, as some have much shorter lives than others. You'd probably best consult the page of the specific breed for the average life-span of that specific breed. John Carter 16:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I looked at Dog#Lifespan_and_old_age, which led me to Aging in dogs#Life_expectancy_by_breed. -- Boracay Bill 03:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Intelligence section could benefit from some scientific and anecdotal examples. One very important and unique characteristic of Canis is its ability to process numbers. Please add that in Aug 2002 researchers determined that dogs have the innate ability to count, an ability which had hitherto been observed only in primates (see article published in New Scientist "Secret lives of dogs" 2002-Aug-03 http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17523542.800-secret-lives-of-dogs.html). To back up this theoretical discovery, it would be nice to reference last month's news report of a dog in China who displays the ability to count, add, subtract, multiply and divide numbers up to 10 (see Canine Nation "Mutt does math" 2007-Apr-27 http://dogsinthenews.com/stories/070427a.php)

71.185.67.169 14:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

If you're going to mention the variance in dog sizes, use the correct examples and back them up with citations. The smallest dog (Chihuahua) is 6" long. The tallest dog is not an Irish Wolfhound; he's a Harlequin Great Dane (42" to shoulders). That would give the article a bit less ambiguity. Read up here: http://dogsinthenews.com/stories/070415a.php

The present section has quite a marked pro-neutering bias. This should be corrected. The article Neutering gives a much more neutral view, which should also be adopted in this article.

Also, the phrase "the less developed countries of Europe" is POV, and insulting at that. Are the Scandinavic countries (some of which prohibit the procedure without a proper medical indication) to be considered less developed? What about Germany, Switzerland, the Benelux, France, Italy, Spain? The procedure is considerably less common in Europe than in North America (no argument about that), but this must not be converted into some pseudo-argument about developmental stages. --130.92.9.58 11:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I reworked it a little. Let me know what you think. --Joelmills 16:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Considerably better - thanks. I'll have to find some sources about the frequency in different countries. In my experience and perception though, there is no European country that has as high frequencies of s/n dogs as North America has. --130.92.9.56 16:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that there needs to be a section about dog grooming within this article. I also think it's important to update the human companionship section to include the new trends: dog clothes, dog haircare and beauty products, etc. It seems that these things are becoming as important as diet to pet owners. Should this be a separate article?

LLRap 19:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how a picture of a Newfoundland dressed up in baby clothes is a proper illustration of working dogs. It's not even a good photograph, much less an illustrative one. Is there not a better illustration available? This is disrespectful to a magnificent breed. JoKing 14:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC) JoKing

Agreed. Here are some options from Commons...

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  A labrador Retriever performing assistance dog duties
• A Finnish police dog
  A Finnish police dog

VanTucky 21:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I just added a few fact tags to the recent addition to the spay neuter section. I don't doubt (and even strongly suspect) that most of those things are true to one degree or another, but statements like there is mounting evidence and now being attributed really need citations to back them up. If this evidence exists, then it should be easy to give a reference to it. I did add a reference for the presence of estrogens in dog food that may be high enough to have a biological effect, but I removed the statement:

It is the total estrogen load that contributes to the estrogen-related disorders of mammary cancer and pyometra and spaying simply reduces that overall load.

because that seems to infer that the dietary estrogens contribute significantly to the development of mammary cancer and pyometra, evidence for which I searched Pubmed and came up with nothing. I also removed the dietary advice, and the phrase perpetual puppy syndrome, because the only place I could find that phrase related to neutering was the contributor's own website. --Joelmills 03:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I've replaced facfailed, oldpeerreview and GA templates with single {{ArticleHistory}} template containing all information those previous templates had. But I was unable to find when was this article promoted to Good Article status or the revision id for the PR and FAC versions. Shinhan 12:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

With respect to the retention of juvenile traits, I disagree with the statement, "This is true of many domesticated animals, including humans themselves, who have many characteristics similar to young bonobos." First, humans are not domesticated animals, as they have not undergone artificial selection by themselves or any other being (in which case "including" would need to be replaced by "and". Second, the contention that similarities between human traits and those of juvenile bonobos are linked in this way, rather than being purely coincidental, seems highly speculative (and unreferenced). I would suggest omitting this sentence altogether.

Sfbergo 07:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

How about writing about "dog" people versus "cat" people, maybe near the end of the article.

Experimental evidence suggests that dogs are able to infer the mental states of other dogs and of humans, may thus be aware others have thoughts and mental states.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/03/AR2007060300960.html

--Calypsoparakeet 01:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Laughter might not be confined or unique to humans, despite Aristotle's observation that "only the human animal laughs". The differences between chimpanzee and human laughter may be the result of adaptations that have evolved to enable human speech. However, some behavioral psychologists argue that self-awareness of one's situation, or the ability to identify with somebody else's predicament, are prerequisites for laughter, so animals are not really laughing in the same way that humans do.

The above section has nothing directly to do with dogs and there should probably be moved to a seperate article e.g. on animal behaviour. Then perhaps a single line mentioning that there's debate whether laughter in animals is comparable to human laughter. Nil Einne 15:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The sentence "Genetic research has identified 14 ancient dog breeds, with the oldest being the Chow Chow, Shar Pei, Akita Inu, Shiba Inu and Basenji." is just absurd. These are not the oldest breeds known. None of them resemble the wolf in the slightest. My reaction to this sentence is not from anything I've studied or heard from any knowledgeable person-- it's just a matter of logic. As breeds are spun off of the original, the earliest must resemble the original. These Chinese breeds are about as far from wolves as you can get... I hope someone with real knowledge can intervene here. JDG 14:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Of course the oldest dog breed would closely resemble the wolf, but that oldest dog breed probably doesn't exist anymore. The reason those breeds mentioned in the article are considered the most ancient is because their DNA most closely resembles the DNA of a wolf. Their morphological characteristics vary widely, but genetically they more closely resemble the wolf than other breeds. Futhermore, the greater diversity of East Asian breeds supports the origination of the dog in that area. To quote the article used as a source, Savolainen, Peter (2002-11-22). "Genetic Evidence for an East Asian Origin of Domestic Dogs". Science. 298 (5598): 1610–1613. doi:10.1126/science.1073906. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help), "these data indicate that the haplotypes of clade A in the western part of the world originate from the introduction of a subset of East Asian types, from which the types unique to West have later developed." --Joelmills 16:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, you make good points, but I wonder if other archeaobiologists differ from your group. It is unusual for breeds to disappear in the way you describe. Usually in the course of the artificial selection process that we call "domestication" and "breeding", milestone breeds (or, in the plant world, strains and cultivars) are carefully preserved while experimentation proceeds with a group of animals or seeds put aside for that purpose. But for dogs in East Asia we are to accept that many, perhaps as many as a dozen, intermediate breeds were allowed to vanish until we reach the time of the Chow Chow, Shar Pei, etc., and then, starting from that point, breeds were preserved. It's possible, but seems a strain... I'll try to find if there's any professional controversy on this. Thx for your input, Joel. JDG 21:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

One more thing I'll mention is that it is possible that the earlier, wolf-like breeds may have retained other wolf-like qualities such as a lack of trainability. In changing this, people may have also changed their appearance (perhaps in their minds linking appearance with personality). And it was 15,000 years ago, so who knows if the people were thinking that much about conservation of their efforts. Incidentally, there are other extinct dog breeds, including some like the Molossus that were the basis of many other popular breeds. It is an interesting question, and on article on ancient dog breeds would be great if we can find any good sources for it. Oh, there is an article on that, although it's not really what I had in mind. --Joelmills 21:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Well-- after looking for 5 minutes, I see that the question "Where and when was the dog first domesticated?" is still very much an open question among geneticists and others. A 2005 paper in Molecular Biology and Evolution (Mol Biol Evol. 2005 Dec;22(12):2541-51. Epub 2005 Aug 24.) titled Mitochondrial DNA from Prehistoric Canids Highlights Relationships Between Dogs and South-East European Wolves, by Fabio Verginelli, et. al., states "Phylogenetic investigations highlighted relationships between the ancient sequences and geographically widespread extant dog matrilines and between the ancient sequences and extant wolf matrilines of mainly East European origin. The results provide a-DNA (ancient DNA--JDG) support for the involvement of European wolves in the origins of the three major dog clades. Genetic data also suggest multiple independent domestication events."... I don't know if the authors are denying a very ancient domestication event in East Asia, but they are certainly postulating multiple independent events and denying the conclusions of the paper you quote (they reference that paper and comment "Scenarios provided by genetic studies range from multiple dog-founding events to a single origin in East Asia."). So, to peg the most ancient breeds alive today, we would need to know which of these events was the oldest and then see which are the oldest extant breeds from that line, if possible...We obviously need to take a fresh look at all this and overhaul Origin of the domestic dog. JDG 22:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that in [1] The dogs talked. I added that in the dog's intelligence.

Suggest removing this section. It is redundant as it is already covered word for word in the article Canine Reproduction As well, the description is graphic for someone looking for general information on dogs, as many kids will be. If people want this information they can look under the aforementioned article.

I recently did some extensive cleanup of the images in this article. Many of the previous images had little or nothing to do with the adjacent subject-matter, were quite poor photographically, or were placed in an odd or cumbersome way. Feel free to drop me line if you have any ideas or objections to the work I've done. VanTucky ^(talk) 22:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The main image, besides being of much better photographic composition than the changed version, is of a Lab for one very logical reason: it is the most popular dog the world over. VanTucky ^(talk) 22:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Can everyone discuss and vote on why the other image was/wasn't better before removal? --EvanS 22:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC)