There are 2 subspecies of tigers in africa training, 2 of them are bengal tigers, and the other 3 are south china tigers. Pls see the facts before editing. Do not edit anything on the south china tigers yet before u read this page. http://www.savechinastigers.org/ This website is the homepage of the african rewilding project of south china tigers. All of the new pictures are found there. And are u a tiger expert? The pictures clearly show south china tigers, the stripe pattern of the south china tiger may be similiar to the indochinese tiger but if u look closely enough ,u can see the difference. So please stop editing the facts.

Sorry. I can not find anything about P. t. amoynesis in africa on this page and moreover I don´t think, that this page is a reliable source!!!! --Altaileopard 14:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK I found something, but even if there is an introduction project in africa, this should be mentioned only in one or two sentences and it is enough to show a single image of this tigers. That is not typical for the subspecies. And..... Do you have the permission, to load these images up in wikimedia?--Altaileopard 14:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying. Ya, i have the permission of the webpage. Anyways, south china tigers are very cricitally endangered, it is rare to see their pictures thus i uploaded so many pictures for people to look at.

Do you have a reference to the study that you site regarding the hyoid bone? "But new studies show, that the ability to roar is due to other morpholigical features, especially of thelarynx." Dddstone 18:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The refernece is walkers mammals of the world (in the article under Literature). I dont have the book here at the moment, so I am not shure about the page. Its somewhere under Genus Panthera.--Altaileopard 08:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was going to ask about the page too, but having the rest of the book info is sufficient for now.

Thank you for your contribution, and I appreciate you asking me to look over it. I tweaked a few punctuation/grammar things and one spelling, but most of mine was linking a few things and adding a cite template. The latter is *not* required but often desired, to know more exactly the parts of the article the references refer to. TransUtopian 12:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you TransUtopian, for looking over it. I think you are right, it would have been better to make a cite template in this case.--Altaileopard 15:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Atulsnischal, Good work with the Reintroduction of asiatic lion in Kuno-Palpur, but I think it is not necessary to have a separate article for that. As the same text is also contained in Asiatic Lion and Kuno Wildlife Sanctuary, I think that Asiatic Lion Reintroduction Project should be deleted. Moreover I think the block "Asiatic Lion Reintroduction Project" should be deleted either in Asiatic lion or in Kuno Wildlife sanctuary. I think it is not good to have the same contents twice ore more. What do you think about that? Gruß, --Altaileopard 14:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Leopard

I just made a basic tempelate of the information for the three pages hoping they will evolve into three seperate paragraphs in time with a basic introduction on two pages and the Asiatic Lion Reintroduction Project can have the project in more detail as it is a very important and costly project that has got caught in state politics. Year by year new achievements can be added to the project page (with time in dacades to come and relevent news links etc).

Thanks

Atulsnischal

Hmm, I would prefer to have the main info in the article Kuno Wildlife Sanctuary and a short overwiev with a link to that page on Asiatic lion (or probably the other way round). There are so many introduction projects for several animals in the world. I dont think it is good to have an article for each of them in the wiki. And if the three articles evolve to three different, but equal pages about that theme, the user has to read all three to be shure that he will get the whole information. Otherwise you have to do all changes always in three articles. Actually you can add new achievements also in an article about Kuno sanctuary. In the german wiki we always try to avoid redundant contents. Anyway.... the asiatic lion is a great animal. Greetings --Altaileopard 17:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

copied from User talk:Flavio.brandani:

In this edit you added P. l. goojratensis and several invalid "subspecies" to the lion subspecies. What are your sources for that? Where was the range of this "subspecies"? The indian subspecies (in Gir as well as in captivity) is called P. l. persica and the link of goojratensis leads to this subspecies.

The status of the Marozi is doubtful and by far not clear. Even in the article it is claimed to be a hybrid. Moreover its already mentioned in an extra part under the subspecies. After "A. Turner: The big cats and their fossil relatives. Columbia University Press, 1997.ISBN 0-231-10229-1" P. toscana is not a lion subspecies. About P (l.) youngi I am not shure, but I will try to find good sources. You said my edit was vandalism, but you added wrong information which is not confirmed by sources. I would rather call this vandalism.--Altaileopard 10:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

1)P. leo goojratensis is a synonim of p. leo persica institueted by Smee

2)P. leo youngi is a real prehistorical subspecies of a lion... see it.wiki for more dettails

3)Marozi is an hybrid of a leopard to a lion

Excuse me if I told that yours edits were crudelty vandalics... but you do not theath me to blocked... I am an Italian user persecuitated on it.wiki for pest control...

I WORK FOR ADORNED EN.WIKI I'M NOT A VANDAL Flavio/Tigre Reietta 14:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me too, I was a bit irritated, but let´s talk about the facts.

• If goojratensis is a synonym for persica, the name should be mentioned in this way behind this valid subspecies or completely left away.

• I am not well informed Panthera (leo) youngi, but this article shows no sources for the information about this animal to me.

• The marozi is likely a hybrid and should not be mentioned under the lion subspecies exept the sentence which is already at the bottom of the block.

--Altaileopard 15:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copied from User talk:Flavio.brandani:

Hello, its me again. You called my revert cruel vandalism do you have a proper reference for this edit ?Otherwise I will revert it again.Greetings--Altaileopard 16:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My dear Leopard..I study the tiger for many years and I'm absolutly certainly that Lecoqui tiger is a synonyms of Caspian tiger... Search on google and do not rollback my legal edits...I'M VERY ANGRY WITH YOU....EN WIKI IS MY last possibility to exist... On it.wiki I were blocked for pest controll by the cruel user Ribbeck...I WAS INNOCENCE..YOU KNOW? I WAS INNOCENCE... Flavio/Tigre Reietta 20:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, this is not a proper source.--Altaileopard 22:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was searching a bit and found a good source for the synonym P. t. lecoqi for P. t. virgata. [1].

But that should not be mentioned in the first sentence of the article. Almost every tiger subspecies has several invalid scientific names. If you want to have it in the article, I think you should write a short extra block and note also the other synonyms like serpentrionalis ect. --Altaileopard 22:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear leopard... forgive me if I bollate yours edit as vandalism... however lecoqui existed... I'm not a vandal but unhappines exiliated user...:-) kiss tvb Flavio/Wiki pest 17:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi dear Altai leopard if do you speak italian and english could you menthoring me? I have desperated. yours Flavio/Tigre Reietta 12:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, Did I get you right? you wants me to be your mentor? I don´t know how to do this, but I can try to answer, you if you have questions.--Altaileopard 17:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know my native language dear AltaiLeopard (P. pardus orientalis ;-) )? Now I tent to explain you in my atrocious english why should I research a menthor. Uther SRG (Stacey Robert Greenstein) is a patient (=moderate) user. But he will be block me for 6 month if I continued to put incorrect or partial incorrect edits. So I research a user who try to help me to become a good wikipedian. For dettails in better english you could contact Uther SRG. Yours Flavio/Wiki pest 12:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, It seems to be, that you are probably a strange guy, but i believe you, that you want to help wikipedia. In this edit you added two subspecies. But the problem is that you gave no sources from where this info is. If i search in google scholar, which shows usually good papers ect. i can find nothing about V. t. lankavensis: [2]. You have to add comprehensible, reliable sources to your edits. If your englisch is to bad, ask native speakers, (if no one wants you can ask also me). Thats in principle all you have to do.--Altaileopard 14:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

thumb What makes you certain this is actually a Marbled Cat?--Pharos 20:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Every picture I ever saw of a clouded leopard, shows quite big black spots on the forelimbs.[3] [4] [5][6]

The animal on the image shows very small spots like a typical marbled cat.[7][8][9]. Moreover the whole body is to slender built for a clouded leopard. I am 99,999 % shure this image shows Pardofelis marmorata.--Altaileopard 20:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

I notice you removed all of the weight of the Bengal tiger, as well as inf regarding northern bengal tiger > siberian tiger, saying the data is unconfirmed. As far as I see, they are all confirmed and sourced . What do you mean by unconfirmed? and with the largest siberian 40 kg less than the largest northern bengal tiger, the comparison statement is so obvious, what do you think?

We should use only zoological, reliable, references in wikipedia. lists of hunting records for example, are no good sources. A skin of a tiger can be stretched easily for half a meter. And if you measure over the curves, you can pull the measuring tape into the skin to "elongate" a dead animal enormously. A hunter wants always a very big animal...

In: Vratislav Mazak: Der Tiger. (1983) ISBN 3 894327596 are used only good, confirmed data. Mazak writes that the longest siberian tiger measured 350 cm (J A N K O W S K I ) in total lenght "over the curves", what would be about 330-335 cm "between the pegs". (The wheigt was estimated to be arround 300 kg.) Even this tiger is not defintiely confirmed, but it is the largest tiger, for which autentic data exist. The maximum wheight for Indian tigers from credible sources is 570 lb (258,2kg). This animal was shot in the Terai Region. The heaviest siberian tiger, for which we have reliable sources weighed 306 kg and was from Bouglione Menagerie. The heaviest wild amur tiger, for which Mazak has confirmed, exact data, weighed 270 kg. Mazak writes: All weights, which say 340 kg or even 384 kg for the heaviest tigers are not conirmed!!!!! I will change the article in this way, cause the book is really a good reference. Walkers mammals of the world says the same.... I have also some quite good books, which say that tigers are heavier and even Mazak wrote in his early times, that hey can grow bigger, but all these data depend on unconfrimed narratives.--Altaileopard 14:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately that's the only male lion I saw at Tsavo. I also saw two lone females and a group of lions resting in the grass with only their ears visible. This National Geographic article might be of interest, though. Regards, Mgiganteus1 12:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I thought we'd try and get the whole capitalization issue sorted before we lionized further so I wanted to get everyone's feelings on it - can you please input into the capitalization debate on lion talk page.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]