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RG, just adding a tag won't help. Only admins can protect or semiprotect a page and they have an extra button (invisible to ordinary editors) for that. The tag is added just as a notice. Leave a note in WT:CRIC if you want to protect it. [[User_talk:Tintin1107|Tintin]] 06:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC) |
RG, just adding a tag won't help. Only admins can protect or semiprotect a page and they have an extra button (invisible to ordinary editors) for that. The tag is added just as a notice. Leave a note in WT:CRIC if you want to protect it. [[User_talk:Tintin1107|Tintin]] 06:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:Tintin is correct. I've given it a 14 day semi-protection (established users only can now edit it) to see if things calm down a bit. —[[User talk:Moondyne|''Moondyne'']] 10:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC) |
:Tintin is correct. I've given it a 14 day semi-protection (established users only can now edit it) to see if things calm down a bit. —[[User talk:Moondyne|''Moondyne'']] 10:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Welcome
Now that you are here, I hope you will begin to contribute to cricket articles :-) Tintin (talk) 16:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
My forthcoming contribution...
Yes, Tintin, based on our findings over on Usenet, I'm putting together a reconstruction of the 1882 Ashes match. --Robertson-Glasgow 11:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Grace & Spofforth
WG made also sorts of financial demands when he toured Australia and made himself very unpopular there. I remember reading about that somewhere but I don't personally own any books about WG so I can't check it out. You would be best to ask for help on [1]. All the best. --BlackJack | talk page 19:22, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Cheers, mate, Robertson-Glasgow 11:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Your user page
Hello again. I noticed that your signature shows up as a red link. I don't know if you are aware but you can create a user page in which you may add info about yourself or the articles you are working on or links to useful features in Wikipedia. There is plenty of help and advice available if you want to set up a user page but it isn't obligatory. Best wishes. --BlackJack | talk page 09:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll get around to that when I need something to do. Cheers, Robertson-Glasgow 11:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
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Richard Cashman's Spofforth Biography
Yes I do (I was coincidentally having a browse of it again a couple of days ago). I'll get it out tonight. Regards — Moondyne 01:11, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, mate. I wait with bated breath. Cheers, Robertson-Glasgow 07:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hi R-G. Sorry for the delay but I've got it now (I had a small family crisis last night and with all the commotion I confess it slipped my mind!). If you could email me - use the "E-mail this user" button on the left (on my user page), I'll reply by email with a .pdf attachment. It'll be a scan of the whole chapter on the 1882 tour (~10 pages). It's about 9pm here now so it won't be until tomorrow morning Perth time (ie. in 12 hours). Regards. — Moondyne 12:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Its on its way! — Moondyne 01:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Cashman should have an article too ! Tintin (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think that I could help with that. There's a fair amount of biographical information about him on the web. Cheers, Robertson-Glasgow 07:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Agree. Cashman's got a fair body of work now and he does make a good read. Remember to quote some reviews of his work by others so he meets notability criteria - see WP:BIO. — Moondyne 13:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Studd book
On the newsgroup uk.sport.cricket, someone called Cicero is offering a copy of Grubb's book C.T. Studd Cricketer and Pioneer free to a good home. I thought that you might be interested. JH 11:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, John. Your message in one of the other groups alerted me to this and I've taken full advantage. Cheers, Robertson-Glasgow 01:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the Thornton extract. Tintin 19:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- Certainly. Do you need anything else, mate? I'm always generous when it comes to cricket and its illustrious history. Robertson-Glasgow 15:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- We don't yet have an article on Thornton. So may be we should do one on him ? Tintin 03:21, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- Great idea. I've got a definitive article on him by Gerald Brodribb, as well as Thornton's "Talk" with A.W. Pullin. Unfortunately, I am uncertain as to how I am supposed to set up an article, and I have very little time to read the instructions on how to do so. If you could open a page for Thornton, I would gladly do the rest when I have the time. Robertson-Glasgow 08:21, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Re: Your books on WikiProject Cricket/Library
- Hello, Albinomonkey. I was browsing through the list of books that you own on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cricket/Library and wondered if you might have a look through them for information on Spofforth and the 1882 Test Match for me. Thanks, Robertson-Glasgow 12:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
No problem I'll have a look through them tomorrow morning - is it his work in that specific match you are solely interested in, or Spofforth in general? – AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 13:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- No, just that match, please. Thanks a lot, mate. Robertson-Glasgow 16:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- There is quite a bit in the books I have on that match, I've got the best parts about Spofforth's contributions here – if there's anything else you're after just ask.
- Australian Cricket: The Game and the Players
“ | Much of Spofforth's fame hangs on his performance in the Ashes Test at The Oval in 1882, when he took 7 for 46 and 7 for 44, causing the famous epitaph for English cricket in the Sporting Times. He bowled his last 11 overs for two runs and four wickets. He was carried shoulder-high from the field, having told the Australian team in the dressing room that they could prevent England scoring the 84 [sic] needed to win. A turning point in Australia's seven runs win was Spofforth's advice to captain Murdoch after Lucas and Lyttleton had played 12 maidens in succession. Bannerman deliberately misfielded a hit from Lyttleton, allowing Spofforth to get a go at him and after two more maidens Spofforths knocked down Lyttleton's stumps. | ” |
“ | Requiring 85 to win, England reached 4 for 65. "Suddenly a new phase came over the innings," wrote C.P. Moody. "The batsmen could not get the ball past fieldsmen. Spofforth was bowling the most remarkable break-backs at tremendous pace; Boyle, from the other end, maintained a perfect length; Blackham with matchless skill took every ball that passed the batsmen ... every fieldsman strained his nerves to the utmost. A dozen successive maidens were sent down. Something of the spirit of the struggle pervaded the thousands of spectators, and their oppressive silence was punctuated by a mighty shoutl when Lyttleton broke the spell with a single." The single had been pre-arranged because Spofforth wanted a bowl at Lyttleton. Four more maidens followed and then Spofforth bowled Lyttleton. It was 5 for 66, with 19 needed. On the way to this historic win Spofforth bowled 10 maidens in his last 11 overs and took four wickets for two runs off his last seven balls. | ” |
- 200 Seasons of Australian Cricket
“ | At the change of innings with England needing just 85, the question was, could they? Spofforth made his declaration: 'This thing can be done". He had them at 2/15 early, but at 2/51 with W.G. and George Ulyett hitting strongly things looked less than promising. Spofforth got Ulyett and then Harry Boyle bowled Grace – and it was 4/53. Then it seems England lost confidence – Spofforth and Boyle bowled 12 successive maidens, until a bit of gamesmanship let Lyttleton score a run, changing the bowler's targets. Spofforth then bowled 11 overs for 2 runs and four wickets. Tom Harn said, 'I observed the incoming batsmen. They had ashen faces and parched lips.' Spofforth's off-cutters on a seaming pitch were all but unplayable. Giffen said every one of them would have hit the stumps had a bat not intervened. | ” |
“ | [Neville Cardus: ] Now I was behind his arm; I could see his superb break-back. And he bowled mainly medium pace at this time. With each off-break I could see his right hand, at the end of the swing over, finish near the left side, 'cutting' under the ball. Sometimes his arm went straight over and continued straight down in the follow-through – and then the batsmen had to tackle fierce topspin. There was the sense of the inimical in his aspect now. He seemed taller than he was half an hour ago, the right arm more sinuous. There was no excitement in him he was ... cold-blooded. | ” |
- Hope they help... if there's anything else you need, just let me know. – AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 00:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for helping me out with that, Albinomonkey; it really is much appreciated, and I will put it to good use in the relevant Wikipedia articles. I would be extra-grateful, though, if you would cite the page numbers of the books from which those quotations came and see if that C.P. Moody fellow is quoted any further in Australian Cricket. What you reproduced there was the first from him about this match that I have ever read, and I would be interested to see if he has more to say.
- Also, would you mind seeing if there is any information on the following two points of interest in that match? Firstly, do your sources have anything to say about C.T. Studd's supposed nervousness in waiting to go out to bat - if A.N. Hornby is quoted on that, it would be quite brilliant - and, secondly, what about something on the controversial run-out of Sammy Jones by W.G. Grace (of special interest being umpire Thoms's rejoinder to the Doctor's appeal)? I am probably getting a trifle greedy in asking this of you, but a million thanks nonetheless. Robertson-Glasgow 17:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry it slipped my mind to add the page numbers, they are (in order of the quotes above): p946, pp371-372, p55 and p57. There is a little further from Moody (p.372 of Australian Cricket: The Game and the Players):
“ | Now Boyle's perinacious accuracy was rewarded," Moody wrote in his Australian Cricket and Cricketers. "Off the first ball of his over Barnes was caught off the glove by Murdoch at point. Edmund Peate, last man in, swished the first ball to lef for two, flukily played the next one, tried to hit the last ball of the over, but missed, and it bowled him. The game was won by seven runs. | ” |
- The bibliography of this book lists a couple of books by Moody if you would be so interested as to search for them: Australian Cricket and Cricketers (Adelaide, 1894) and Cricket Album of Noted Australian Cricketers (Adelaide, 1905).
- No quote from Hornby about Studd, but there is this from E.Peate (p372 again):
“ | When Peate was criticised for not giving his partner C.T.Studd a chance to score the runs, he said, "Mr Studd was so nervous I did not feel I could trust him to score the runs." | ” |
- I think the alleged death in the crowd and the man chewing through his umbrella are mentioned in our article, but my book also says that "the scorer's hand trembled so that he wrote Peate's name as "Geese"" (p372), if that's of any interest at all.
- Both books mention the contentious run out:
- AC:Game and Players (p.371):
“ | When play resumed after lunch Murdoch scored a single to the legside, and Jones grounded his bat inside the crease and then went back along the pitch to pat down a bump. W.G. Grace at once broke down the wicket and Jones was given out. Grace was within his rights, but his lack of sportsmanship annoyed the Australians, who were all out for 122. | ” |
- (p. 560):
“ | Jones is remembered for his unusual dismissal at The Oval in 1882 in the Test that began the Ashes legend. He was a fairly innocent 21-year-old, batting well with Billy Murdoch, who took a single to leg. After the run had been completed Jones went down the pitch to pat down a divot and the wily W.G.Grace threw down his stumps. Umpire Robert Thoms ruled him run out, a decision which intensified the Australians' desire to win the match. | ” |
- 200 Seasons (p 55):
“ | While he [Murdoch] was batting with Sam Jones, Murdoch turned a ball, and the players ran through for one. Then Jones wandered out of his crease thinking the ball was dead, and W.G. promptly took of the bails and appealed. Umpire Thoms said: 'As you claim it, Sir! Out!' Murdoch protested – but to no avail. The Australian dressing room was incensed at this bit of 'sport', and it fired their will to win. | ” |
- Hope that's helpful. – AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 04:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- I really cannot thank you enough, and I am more than willing to return the favour if needs be; my cricket library is almost 700-books strong, so I should think that, if there is anything about which you would like to know, I would be able to help you. Nevertheless, many thanks once again, sir. Robertson-Glasgow 04:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Altham
Many thanks for your helpful contributions. JH (talk page) 19:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
WG
His family called him "Gilby"
Is this true ? There was a famous occasion when Martha Grace admonished him after he got out, "Willie, Willie, haven't I told you over and over how to play that stroke ?". Tintin 15:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- I added a fact tag just in case you take too long to come back. Feel free to remove it if you are certain about it. Tintin 16:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. Looks okay now. Tintin 14:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Hit for six
CK Nayudu apparently hit a 150 yard six in the Madras Presidency Match in 1921. Does Hit for Six say anything about it, specifically, does Brodribb agree with the distance ? Tintin 03:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. My source says that the hit was easily above 150 yards from the batting crease. So I'll have to go with that even if it may not be entirely accurate. Tintin 17:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
"Those damned dots"
As somebody once famously said. I believe that it's usual in American English to put full stops in abbreviations such as "MCG", but it's not usual in British English. Personally, I think that "MCG" looks much better than "M.C.G.", but YMMV (or Y.M.M.V.). :) JH (talk page) 09:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. JH (talk page) 12:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Following our discussion on rsc, the first draft of the article is now up. Please feel free to expand it with anything you feel is appropriate. JH (talk page) 19:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll take a look at it. JH (talk page) 08:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'm looking at it now. Thanks for your hard work. It's now a very substantial article. A few points:
- Do we have a more reliable source for the "Lion Hitter" apellation than the seemingly not altogether reliable memory of one man?
- You must have a second source for the 1861-2 paragraph, as there's now more there than seemed to be in the one that I unearthed. That second source ought to be cited.
- After both of our efforts at chopping the article about, I'm not sure that all the footnotes are still in the right place in the text. (BTW, I think that the Wiki convention is that they should only be placed at the end of a paragraph, not in the middle of one.One solution might be to break the text into smaller paragraphs.)
- You're a romanticist in the Cardus tradition, :) but that doesn't always sit easily in an encyclopaedia article. I've toned down or snipped a few of the more florid bits, but it's still a bit POV in places.
JH (talk page) 10:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Good luck with the exams! JH (talk page) 12:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Boundless Odium?
Never! I think that it's a great intro; it just belongs in the Origins of the Cold War article. Besides, there's a more serious issue: where did you get this essay? If you wrote it, it needs a lot of sourcing. If you didn't write it, we need to hear from the author...and sources. :-) Hires an editor 11:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
WG
RG, just adding a tag won't help. Only admins can protect or semiprotect a page and they have an extra button (invisible to ordinary editors) for that. The tag is added just as a notice. Leave a note in WT:CRIC if you want to protect it. Tintin 06:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
- Tintin is correct. I've given it a 14 day semi-protection (established users only can now edit it) to see if things calm down a bit. —Moondyne 10:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
June 2007
Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view. It appears you have not followed this policy at October Revolution. Please always observe our core policies. Thank you. Andrew_pmk | Talk 17:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)