Isn't Phantom Glass, Phantom's ÄRM, supposed to be a Darkness ÄRM? Mmm122 22:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not. The official site has it of the Unique category. What do you mean, 'supposed', anyway ? 222.252.80.120 13:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking that because it said the on MAR Heaven Journey. Mmm122 20:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is it true that the Knight of the Chess Pieces Vidar is called "Mr. Weasel" in the English dub? I don't remember him ever being called that, & the name sounds silly, but for people to keep putting him down under that name, I'm beginning to wonder if there's some truth to it.

That's what it says in my manga. - The Norse 22:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are the Ghost Chess from the filler arc of the anime the same as the Zonnen? If not, then I feel they should be noted here. 72.68.56.138 03:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC) N. Oxyde[reply]

no they are not, the Ghost Chess appeared later and they were stronger. but at the moment there have only been raw episodes up to that far into the series, and while most of us can't understand Japanese, we can't add any information of them to prevent false understandings. it would be good if those who understand Japanese watch the raw episodes (by mean of downloading it, i've just checked on youtube.com and they were all deleted) and contribute everything they could have heard. Profet 666 09:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. Do you know which episode numbers the Zonnen appear in? Perhaps we could mark that. Also, I say that we make the Anime differences a little more noticable in the summaries, so people don;t get confused. 172.145.67.151 05:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)N. Oxyde[reply]

i think it's episode 49. yeah i've been thinking about that too, but if you just add them all in out of the blue it will pretty much return to the messy state it was sometime before.... i mean, the manga-anime divergence seems to have started in the recent episodes. major changes are being made, so personally i'd like to wait longer... perhaps until the series ends, then we make all those clear, and edit them (we can even make seperate articles, so we can emphasize on the differences). that is to say, when the RAWs end. the subs are taking longer than expected, and we can't actually wait all that long.

why yes, and this too: when you edit the ARM section, could you set them in the following order, Weapon - Nature - Ghost/Holy/Darkness (whatever you like first, but make sure the rest follow the same order) - Guardian ? it looks better that way. thank you. Profet 666 07:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The ghost chess are actually a manifestation of the ORb of Darkness's powers.... that's all I know.--Arquebusier 16:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please write it orderly. And personally speaking, I don't think that's correct. I myself have watched the episodes and since then pondered on the truth as to their identity. I've read everthing I could search out, and none of them stated that the Ghost Chess has anything most remotely to do with King. Truth be told, their identity are more closely connected to the Queen rather than King. So please don't add anything to the article, unless you want to affirm foul mouths out there saying Wikipedia now doesn't provide accurate information. 222.254.30.9 08:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From User talk:Sandstein

Hello, I'd like permission to remove your notability tag from Chess Pieces (MÄR) on the grounds that it's just another "List of Characters" article identicle to the ones most other articles on fictional stories have. Is this okay? - The Norse 22:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. You don't need my permission, but that's not a convincing argument. Why, specifically, is this fictional organisation notable, i.e., what reliable substantial third-party coverage does it have? Also, the WP:A problems are the more serious ones. Sandstein 23:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was asking because they're usually readded after I get rid of them anyway. Anywho, this fictional organisation is notable because it plays the role of the main and only antagonists in MÄR, a decently popular anime series. This article was created because the main article became way too cluttered with character profiles so it was split off into a seperate one, the main reason why all Character List articles are made. - The Norse 01:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please forget about notability for a moment. This article has no sources at all. Please provide some reliable sources to which all the content can be attributed, or else it will be a candidate for deletion soon. Sandstein 07:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

.. i've added the sources for references. Please see to it that the edition matched Wiki standards, and correct if it needs be. Profet 666 12:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i've edited the name 'Magical Rou' back to 'Magical Lou', for i find the second translation makes better sense than the first, taking into account this character is a clown. See the article Lou Jacobs for more information.

And the translation for the name of that Knight, Vidar, or Pizel as someone recently put it. I've consulted the Japanese official site for the hiragana translation, and it literally pronounces Uizaru. For this kind of name both translations make sense, but i'd still like to put it 'Vidar', for the mythological association with Yggdrasil (although they weren't by any means connected). As for questions about the bird Guardian name, i've checked the same source and found that it literally pronounces Buriideinbado so i've changed in into 'Wooden Bird'. If you find that incorrect, please correct it, since my translation skill is just above average. Profet 666 05:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i've edited the Guardian-Weapon 'Ariu Majuu' to 'Allu Mage', and i've even left the reference link for that. Check the site out before editing, i think it's the most accurate translation. Same for Lemures and Wakan Tanka.

and from now on, please leave a reference link there/post it here so all of us can check before editing anything. And DON'T edit if you can't find anything similar or just read it off some scanlations, they're not always accurate as you think, i'm tired of editing over and over. Profet 666 07:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

again *rolls eyes*. the Magma Snake is not an ÄRM, it's just another metamorphose ability of Stone Cube. Profet 666 10:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'Allu Mage' back to 'Allu Majuu' again, the 'majuu' katakana has been ringing quite a bell lately. It's originally the romaji of 魔獣 (majū, lit. "demon beast]] (Majuu), quite a common concept. Profet 666 10:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you've added some images into the article, and may I ask, have you really read my notes on the episode list article ? If you haven't, it was clearly stated that I won't approve of anyone using any images I upload without asking me first. If you have, then don't do that again. This is for my sake and for yours.

As for questions as to why I don't upload other images for more character, it's as simple as this: I don't think it neccessary. You've already had all images you need for the major characters, why would you need more for minor ones, such as the Rooks and Bishops and all ? Those you add image for were dismally minor ones, at that. 222.254.30.9 08:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images you upload to Wikipedia are for everyone. Stop acting stingey. - The Norse 15:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On behalf of all image uploaders on Wikipedia, I express disagreement with your statement which, instead of grounding for any constructive point, has spoken your unprofessionality. May I assume that you've never really taken notice of Wikipedia image policy, or particularly in our case, the fair use image policy ? Once the image's tagged with the fair use tag, ANY USE OF IT ON WIKIPEDIA OR WHEREVER MIGHT BE COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT, which you just did. I have the images for the episode list article, and therefore they are meant for that article only, not anywhere else, even if it's another MAR article.

On behalf of myself, I'm astounded at your bizarrely besotted obstinacy. In short, almost all character sections other than the Knights are very short, how would it look if you place a 200-px image there ? And most of the sections you demand images for are minor characters' sections, and it's irregular that they, too, have image. Have sense, will you ?

Profet 666 11:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, now I think about it, on account of the roles and the ranks, none of the Chess Pieces outside Knight class should have pictures. They're still way minor. Don't be let down, you can't have pictures for every section (will this be a constructive contribution to the article, anyway ? Or do you just want pictures for your own likings ?). In many other articles, almost none of the "less major" characters get pictured, as well, though I daresay they take up more screentime than the subject in those sections you request pictures.

If you can state a sounder reason than just one based on your likings (with little regard to the article), I will definitely get pictures for them. Profet 666 11:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And did I see a masked Kouga image in his section ? *rubs head in discontent* How many times must I repeat myself ? NO USE OF (MY) EPISODE LIST IMAGES OUTSIDE THE ARTICLE, please. I've warned you on the Phantom, Chaton, Loco, Pano, Kannochi images, and that means for the rests. I never said anything about Kouga or whoever else doesn't mean I allow you to abuse them to your heart's content. Do you not get the message ? (again, sorry if I wrongly accused you. Never saw the pic myself, just catch a glimpse of it when I was editing the article) Profet 666 11:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with you.

1. They're not your images once you upload them to Wikipedia, they're for everyone and can be used however other users see fit.
2. Some non-knights should have their images displayed, Loco, Chaton and Pano are featured a lot more in the series than a throw-away enemy like Kouga and have actual roles. - The Norse 15:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

well finally someone goes speak to me.

1. Am I missing something of the fair use rule ? Check this tag for yourself, it's what I added to every picture I upload. Do note the "Any use of it on Wikipedia or elsewhere might be copyright infringement" part.

Need I now add a fair use rationale for the pictures, even ? Please spare me of that tiresome task by paying some respect to the fair use tag, could you ?

(and in case I'm indeed missing the particular "Everyone can use it however they see fit" part in the policy, beg pardon for my discourtesy. But how would it look to you if a 200 px image is added beside a one-sentence section ?)

2. I'm well-awared of the fact that there actually exists some Rooks/Bishops who play a more important role than the Knights. But:

- This might not sound good, but again, minor characters with more major roles not imaged aren't just here. Many other articles have it. Never mind this, just one stubborn head on my shoulder.

- Those "actual roles" you spoke of, they're not actually all that major, are they ? Just personal opinion again.

- It doesn't look all that right if Pano & Loco, two Rooks get pictures but lvl.1 Bishops like Emokis or Hamelin don't, now does it ? don't tell me Emokis & Hamelin should have picture, they're about just as major a character as Kannochi or Maira.

Anyway, in appreciation to your correspondence, I will have the Loco & Chaton added. But Pano ? well honestly, just where do you see she plays an "actual" role besides flirting around with Jack and being one of the few Chess Pieces who survived King's annihilation ? Profet 666 03:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, that tag is confusing. On one hand it say it's for use on the English Language Wikipedia but on the other it says it could be copyright infringement to do so. Let's just go with the former, seeing as how I've seen the same picture used in multiple articles before.

Anyhow, I'm just going by the logic that since we already have the pictures, there's not much point in not using them. Pano's section is big enough so that a picture won't be too obstructive to things around it, plus her role isn't much smaller than Chaton's. I think you can reduce the size of images if need be anyway. - The Norse 04:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As for your experience, are you sure all those images were uploaded by the same person, or the uploader gave permission for its free use on Wikipedia ? Perhaps we should really study the image use policy site O.o

About the rest, your "trying not to waste any uploaded pictures" style can sometimes come very close to image abuse, you know. And what's with "not using" ? They're used in the episode list article. Unless there are dumbasses out there telling you they're so burdened with the thought of using images of such high quality for so mundanely restricted an article that they feel it's a duty to distribute them for more, better deserved articles O.o

Okay, then I guess one step back on me again. Pano's added. (don't take advantage of my patience, though...)

P/S: Same rule for the rest of the images until we can make this policy crap clear. I've seen the Emokis image, mind you.

Profet 666 05:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

k, the article's image amount is about perfect right now so there's not much point arguing anymore. Maybe I should ask an admin or something about this image/copyright business for clarity though. - The Norse 18:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you do, could you give me the name of that admin ? There's also something I'd like to ask. 222.252.84.119 10:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those sections one just added into the article regarding characters not shown in the anime series, please don't go re-add them until you can state the resources for your contributions.

Personally speaking, I think we should discuss further on this before you add them in. The Knights section clearly states that there're only 13 Knights, and you adding some more in might cause confusion. Is this really that big a news to add in ?

And Kannochi is a Bishop, it's stated in both versions so (I'm not sure of the anime though, will go check on it). Don't reduce his rank again.

Please quit making comments like "Foolishly, he doesn't carry a weapon blah blah blah..." (Maira's section). Do you even take it to your heart that Wikipedia's an online ENCYCLOPEDIA ? I hope we won't return to this topic again, just you would remember how they write encyclopedias.

Profet 666 11:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone has any idea as to the origin of King's gigantic blade ? I've tried every sources I can muster, but to no avail. Certain types of sword were forged in that shape's similarity (the spiked blade, to be exact), but it looks to me like the sword has a direct reference. 222.254.30.16 08:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]