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Bruno Mars - Grenade is listed twice

please refer to prior section

I contacted songfacts.com https://www.songfacts.com/facts/mungo-jerry/in-the-summertime "This sold over 16 million copies worldwide and was Britain's biggest-selling single in 1970." What is source and what convinced you to put on your website?

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Hi Dave.

That info came from a book called 1000 UK Number Ones, which we've found to be very well researched.

Be Well, Carl Songfacts

Meanwhile, I checked UK and US certifications

https://www.bpi.co.uk/brit-certified/

ARTIST TITLE LABEL AWARD FORMAT CERTIFIED RELEASED

Mungo Jerry In The Summertime Sanctuary Silver Single 06.03.2020 27.11.2005

Mungo Jerry Alright, Alright, Alright Dawn Silver Single 01.08.1973 22.06.1973

US

MUNGO JERRY IN THE SUMMERTIME JANUS SINGLE 0.5

We need some compelling evidence or this has to be removed Tillywilly17 (talk) 05:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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They decided on the name Mungo Jerry only two weeks before

the disc was released on 12 May. Their recording debut also

launched the new series of Dawn 'Maxi-Singles'. lt proved to be

a colossal runaway success, due to the new craze for the group's

jug-blues-rock-folk-country music, as opposed to the so-called

progressive pop music. The disc features Paul King who actually

blows over the jug - an empty cider jar - the Mungo Jerry style

being rather more contemporary than that used by the jug bands

which originated in Chicago in the 1'920s.

The disc was No 1 for seven weeks in Britain and stayed in

their bestsellers for 20 weeks. In the U.S.A. it was No 1 for a

week and sold over a million there, with Gold Disc award from

R.I.A.A. by August, just two months after release. British sales

were around 800,000. The disc was No 1 in 26 countries includ­

ing Canada, Denmark, New Zealand, Holland, Norway, Finland,

West Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Singapore, Italy, Malay­

sia and France, selling 400,000 in France in the first month, just

about the fastest seller ever known there, and subsequently a

million. The group were presented with a Gold Disc on 23

November 1971 at the Olympia, Paris, by Vogue International

label for the French million sale. Global sales totalled over six

million by the end of the year.

Mungomania was possibly the most startling and unexpected

pop phenomenon to hit Britain since the Beatles. Mungo Jerry

made their first trip to the U.S.A. in September 1970. Tillywilly17 (talk) 08:24, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So "six million in the first year" became "16 million total" (the ten-million bump being an unlikely fate for a near-novelty single) became "30 million total." This seems to be completely unsubstantiated and so it seems wise to remove this; plenty of songs are the biggest of their year in the UK without being one of the all-time biggest worldwide. Calbaer (talk) 21:31, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mundiya Tu Bachke by Punjabi MC has no way sold 10 million units. Just this one inclusion is enough to not take this entire list seriously. Tintin1407 (talk) 22:11, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The citation for that number only says:

"Because so much of bhangra music sales is a bootleg business, it's impossible to estimate how many copies of "Mundian To Bach Ke" have been sold in the past five years, but it's very likely that the number after the number would be "million," and a conservative estimate would be 10 million."

So that appears to be not much more than a guess from the journalist writing the article rather than a legitimate source. Secondly if you broaden the definition of sales to include bootleg copies I suspect many other songs in the list would get vastly higher numbers as they are popular tunes. Mivens (talk) 08:52, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This inaccurate entry is now being used, presumably, to perpetuate this myth that Mundiya Tu Bachke by Punjabi MC has sold ten million records, why is this fake entry not being removed. The myth is now perpetrated by a BBC article, which equally could now be used as a source reference from a "reliable" source, hence how fake news is created via Wikipedia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-67913510 OHemmings (talk) 00:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sales listed here for this song includde ALL HER SALES (also digital songs and stream equivalents) and not only physical sales for this single.

This single physical sales were as 2003 less than 3 million physical copies and the 16M (over 25M now already) are not even just pure sales and even less physical singles but mostly digital songs and stream equivalents as can be seen by her sales certifications in most world countries (but especially in US and UK).

The single physical version was certified gold in UK (for 400.000 units sold) and the 2004 digital single is certified 7xPlatinum (4.2 million units) that include digital song sales and stream equivalents. In US it's the same. The single was not even certified Gold (500.000 units sold) before the digital era gaining the first certification in 2006 (2 years after the digital single was released) but was never re-issued in physical singles later except for small limited editions.

This single physical sales are residual compared to the single digital song sales and streaming equvialents (that represent over 80% of this single sales. It should be removed from this list as only US and UK sales represent almost 16M sales and at best only 1 million are pure sales from those countries. The link used as source to keep this single here doesn't say the 16M sales are physical singles but it says are overall sales (so include digital songs and stream equivalents as well).

Certified sales are not the same with actual sales. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 13:03, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hence why the 22 million figure has been subject to a disclaimer but kept to its current place, seeing as though the vast majority of the song's sales are from actual sales. Cucas1234 (talk) 10:47, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're simply doing original research, and trying to make it a circular reporting from both this list and song's article, based on your "conclusion". What you're doing is a big violation of Wikipedia's guidelines without providing a source. In a counter-conclusion, it can also be proved that this song has strong streaming certified figures. See two of the top three markets. USA: All Platinum certs came from post-streaming era, from 2019 to 2022... 3.7 million of the song have been sold up to 2021, compared to a 12x Platinum (digi) status. In the UK, the song hasn't sold half of its certified units (4 million) and we can continue. If you keep feeling this is not a fan POV, please prove it (source), and then, you could opt for reach a consensus. Otherwise, your edits are becoming disruptive. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 19:08, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's impossible that this French song sold 30 million: it charted only in France, where it sold 5 million. Moreover, the source is affirmative for the 5 million in France, but not for the 30 million. ​ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.215.134.14 (talk) 06:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The certifications for most of these songs in no way reflect what's claimed of them and seem completely inflated, such as Bing Crosby for example. Elton John's Candle in the Wind is certified up to 32 million and would actually be the best selling single. The list should be restructured based on certified sales Never17 (talk) 20:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]