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July 10 last year you deleted this image with the summary it had the same name on the commons. The link is now broken with no trace of any such image on the commons. Where did it go? - Mgm|^(talk) 12:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was deleted by me simply as a matter of housekeeping, as it was a duplicate. However, looking at the Commons logs, it looks like the image was deleted recently as a copyright violation: [1]. Dmcdevit·t 04:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I want to know why my IP address was blocked. I do have an account, I just don't feel like logging in everytime I want to correct a minor misspelling (I occasionally use my account, I just prefer anonymous editing, is that wrong?). How did I abuse my IP address? I never vandalized any articles and I think it's unfair that I get blocked without any explanation. Let's see if we can work something out. I can understand you'd want to keep trouble makers out of Wikipedia (trust me, I hate them too), but I assure you I am not one of them. Hurricane Andrew 14:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am asking you why my IP address has been blocked, I haven't done anything wrong. I am posting it here: 66.217.38.111 Please respond, I don't want my questions ignored. Thank you. Hurricane Andrew 21:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't been ignoring you. In the future please put your messages at the bottom of talk pages, so people you are trying to talk to notice it. :)

As for the block, you are on a dynamic IP range, which means that you share it with many other users, whose IPs change periodically, along with yours. That means that blocking a specific vandal is harder, and we sometimes have to make range blocks. This is why we have anonymous-only blocks, so that legitimate users like you affected by the block can simply log in and edit. I did not block you personally, it is simply a case of collateral damage. If I had intended that, your account, not your IP, would have been blocked. Dmcdevit·t 22:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll keep this short. Could you reconsider your recent RFAR request, giving the new process a chance? I would that perhaps we can assist these two, and they could add good content. In the interest of the project. Thanks, Navou ^banter / _contribs 15:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I noted, it doesn't make sense to me to come up with some communit-imposed sanction when the two were already on revert parole and have a history of gaming and violations. In particular, the revert parole was recently used to unblock them by an overly rules-oriented administrator, so it seems counterproductive. To be frank, I think a ban is the best solution. Dmcdevit·t 17:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever you did, it seems to have stopped him cold. Thanks very much for handling that. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, looks like I spoke too soon, he's back at it. Still, your help is greatly appreciated. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, I noticed. ;) I just blocked that newest IP (same range), but it's not as much of a problem: he's running on old sleepers he already created, but once he runs out, account creation is already blocked so he'll be out of luck. Dmcdevit·t 04:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, here's hoping he runs out soon! Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, is there any way to add to the account creation page a warning not to use an obvious password (like the same as the username)? He's apparently been compromising accounts like that. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How is it possible to know that? I suppose if the account was created recently enough that the IP for the log entry is still stored, I might notice the sudden change in IP, but I haven't seen that on any of the accounts I've checked. Is there some other way to know he didn't pesonally create an account he used? In any case, it's not a bad suggestion; how does this look? You can edit that page however you think best. Dmcdevit·t 04:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Khoikhoi stated he did it, I haven't tested it myself, but it does appear that at least some of the accounts in question have made a very sudden shift in interest and contribution areas. Regardless, the edit you made certainly makes sense, people like to use really stupid passwords sometimes. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dmcdevit, please check out Special:Contributions/7777. You'll notice that the account clearly wasn't created by him, but he was able to use it because the password is the same as the username. I was even able to log into it myself: [2]. Khoikhoi 05:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, take a look at Special:Contributions/Kuk. It was last used a month ago before Ararat arev first used it. Khoikhoi 05:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For your seemingly tireless efforts in improving Wikipedia, I, Khoikhoi, award you this barnstar. 02:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and Ararat arev is back on Armenia under the following IPs:

• 206.148.196.115 (talk · contribs)
• 206.148.196.201 (talk · contribs)
• 206.148.196.25 (talk · contribs)
• 206.148.197.13 (talk · contribs)
• 66.81.158.196 (talk · contribs)
• 66.81.158.113 (talk · contribs)
• 206.148.196.197 (talk · contribs)

Ciao, Khoikhoi 02:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like those were mostly old range blocks of mine that expired. I've extended them. Thanks for the barnstar. :-) Dmcdevit·t 04:11, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am one of the editors who first had to deal with this user over five months ago. Quite simply, no power on earth will ever stop him from adding his material rabidly if the semiprotection is removed. He's already returned once again just after you unprotected it. You might want to put it back. Thanatosimii 05:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The semi-protection wasn't doing anything anyway, these are all old accounts that can edit over it. However, they are old accounts because his main IP is blocked from account creations. I think he will run out of steam soon. Dmcdevit·t 05:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Could you please check the activity of 72.18.138.210 (talk · contribs). He has been edit warring on some pages, deleting content added by other users and ignoring talk, and has previous warnings from admins about his actions being vandalism. Regards, Grandmaster 05:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/E104421-Tajik. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/E104421-Tajik/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/E104421-Tajik/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 12:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of abbreviations for names. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. — Swpb ^{talk contribs} 12:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the decision to block this user was a bit premature. The cited reverts in the 3RR were for undoing POV vandalism POV pushing (this last resulted in the page being fully protected). The 300 article's edit page - in an effort to maintain stability, requested that users bring their proposed changes to the Discussion Page first. This request was also meant to build consensus for changes in the article, and cut down on edit warring. Benhams's edits were not of the tendentious sort, and were actually constructive.
Benham has been harassed by User:Agha Nader, whom he apparently knows in RL. After looking at the edit histories of both, I do see a tendency of Nader to follow Benham around, contesting his edits. I never believed in cabals, and for the most part still don't, but I have noticed - at least in the 300 article a definite, overtly cooperative effort to maintain a pro-nationalist sentiment within the article. Both ArmenianJoe and Agha Nader (and a few others, such as Khoikoi, Azerbaijani and Mardavich) seem to work in very close coordination of effort, via external email (fully aware that any conversation within talk will be recorded). While of course there are no cabals, the best of these "non-cabals" maintain a NPOV to work towards a better article; that is not occurring with the aforementioned users. They work to undo edits that that challenges their nationalist view, and to discredit and remove those editors who disagree consistently with this view. Often this view fiolates one or more of the Five Pillars. After viewing the ArbCom you are part of, I am pretty sure you know what I am talking about here.
Benham has clearly angered this group, and you can see that the edits he reverted were non-consensus edits that served solely to push a POV that was in the specific minority in the article. If you cannot see your way to removing the block after evaluating the environment in which Benham was editing in, perhaps you could lessen the length of the block. Typically, a first block lasts for 8 hours. Benham has not received that same consideration that any other user would have for 3RR on non edit-warring edits. Arcayne 16:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not refer to other ediors you disaree with as vandals, as this is uncivil, see WP:VAND#What_vandalism_is_not. The proper response to harassment is not response in kind. While teh content of the edits may have been constructive (I make no judgment), the edit warring was not. Please read through WP:DR#Further_dispute_resolution for proper responses to hostile editors. Dmcdevit·t 17:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, but I would ask that you not accuse me of mistaking vandalism with disagreement - I am well aware of the difference. While I completely agree that fighting 'fire with fire' is a close approximation to WP:POINT, your blocking of those editors ensuring a NPOV only serves to encourage POV "vandals" (your term, not mine) to continue those tactics which remove detractors.

As well, I agree that an An/I might be the only method by which to resolve the underlying issue, but your narrow interpretation of the violation here actually hurts that AN/I. The first block that the user received was a 24-hr block, when in most cases, 8-hr is called for (and I've seen the original block reasoning by Khoikoi - the edits were neither egregious nor valid). If you truly felt that the block was necessary, you might have AGF and allowed for the block to be of a more reasonabl length.

That you seem to be blocking the indivdual according to a warning that you gave him on another page, and using it as a further justification for the block here implies that you are exerting a sero-revert policy, which isn't WP policy. It seems to allow additions without correction, so any sort of completely POV nonsense can be added, as anyone who reverts it will be blocked, according to your warning This hasn't appeared to foster much in the way of discussion on the Discussion Page. It instead appears to have encouraged sockpuppetry, which seems to have increased significantly since your warning.

Clearly, you have issues with the edits taking place in the Koryun and Azerbaijan (Iran) articles. After taking a look at some of the nonsense going on there, so would I. However, penalizing someone and citing special rules you have devised on other pages as the reasoning seems invalid. This implies that you might have a conflict of interest in this matter, and should not have weighed in on the complaint. Since the block has already taken place, you could either remove it completely or reduce it, in order to correct this CoI. Arcayne 21:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not make ill-considered accusations. If you look at my edit history, you will not find a single POV, or nationalist edit. To accuse me of conspiring with other editors through email to "harass" The Behnam is unacceptable. Do you have proof for any of your accusations? I wish that you would AGF, and not snipe my on various talk pages with accusations.--Agha Nader 04:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader[reply]

Er, what "various pages" are you referring to, Nader? And why are you following my edits? I believe reasonable people would consider that stalking. Arcayne 04:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your talk page, Khorshid's talk page, and Behnam's talk page. You once accused my of stalking your page then you were admonished by The Behnam. Please review the Wikipedia policies on stalking. Looking at a discussion about a review of a block of a user that I reported, is definitely not stalking. Do you think you can make these sort of ill-considered accusations on various talk pages without me noticing.--Agha Nader 04:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader[reply]

I guess I am a little confused. How is it that Benham's, Khorshid's, Dmcdevit's and my Talk page are all on your watchlist?? As well, I keep the AN/3RR board on my watchlist, which I am pretty sure isn't against the rules, either, any more than requesting a blocking admin review the evidence. All of the people I named seem to be extraordinarily well-connected to one another. However, if it's this single accusation that bothers you, I will withdraw it unless or until you prove me correct.

While I cannot expect you to remove my talk page from your watchlist, I want you to know that I consider it pretty odd. It isn't like we edit a lot of the same pages. Whatever. This convo is taking up another user's Talk page, when you could be addressing me on mine or on yours. Let's leave the guy alone, shall we? Arcayne 05:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who said they are on my watch list? I only responded to the personal attacks you made. Do you think you can make personal attacks on your talk page without people seeing them? I referring when you called your fellow editors "Petulant, vengeful children" on your talk page. Please refrain from making personal attacks on all Wikipedia space. Agha Nader 11:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader[reply]

As I said before, you can address these issues on my talk page, so long as you remain polite. That you are posting it here simply suggests that you are cheaply trying to complain to this user. As for the comment, I have already clearly answered you there; the comment was not directed at you, and I am quite certain that your time would be far better spendt not stalking my user history or talk pages. After this post, you can write all you want - I am not going to take up another inch of this user's talk page. Arcayne 11:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please AGF. The reason I am commenting here is that you attacked me here. At this point I hope Dmcdevit would comment on what appears to me to be personal attacks you made here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Agha Nader (talk • contribs) 19:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I made a bad call there. Another admin who is involved with the article contacted me and I reduced the block to three hours last night. However, you're right and I should not have blocked them in haste as I did. I will immediately apologise to that editor. I'm only a 2-week newb admin but I should have known better and slipped up on this one. AIV was kinda busy last night! - Alison^☺ 16:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After my recent block I realize that your edict at Azerbaijan (Iran) is essentially a zero revert rule. I don't know if such a rule has legitimacy on WP as an alternative to protection but I ask that you implement protection instead. If people want to add something they can just use the formal request template on the talk page. On the other hand, 0RR allows things to be added but never removed, and may encourage sockpuppetry. Full protection seems to be a better, WP-endorsed mechanism for freezing edit wars, so I ask you do please use full protection there instead of 0RR. Thank you. The Behnam 10:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On 6 April, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Adolfo Holley, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 06:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

Response now available there. If you'd prefer to talk the discussion to any particular talk page, that's fine with me. Best wishes, Xoloz 00:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This kind of looks like he is evading his ban, [3] and the revert by the IP are the same, [4] Artaxiad 09:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]