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Thank you today for [[Theodore II Laskaris]], "about a young Emperor of Nicaea (the most powerful successor state of the Byzantine Empire) who wrote several treatises about theological, historical and philosophical themes. He preferred the company of low born intellectuals which led to conflicts with the Nicaean aristocracy. He expanded the territory of his empire but died young due to a chronic illness, likely cancer. His Great Supplicatory Canon to Our Lady is still sung in Orthodox ceremonies"! - I have a composer on the same page - sadly because he died - who composed music for the Orthodox church, [[Romuald Twardowski]]. -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:57, 20 January 2024 (UTC) |
Thank you today for [[Theodore II Laskaris]], "about a young Emperor of Nicaea (the most powerful successor state of the Byzantine Empire) who wrote several treatises about theological, historical and philosophical themes. He preferred the company of low born intellectuals which led to conflicts with the Nicaean aristocracy. He expanded the territory of his empire but died young due to a chronic illness, likely cancer. His Great Supplicatory Canon to Our Lady is still sung in Orthodox ceremonies"! - I have a composer on the same page - sadly because he died - who composed music for the Orthodox church, [[Romuald Twardowski]]. -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:57, 20 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[History of Christianity]] peer review recommendations == |
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I went looking for the books you recommended in order to include them and hopefully make you happier with my sources. Now I have a different problem. I found ''Religion in the medieval West'' by Bernard Hamilton through the Archive. IMO, this book is a Christian apology, rather than an objective history, that simply omits discussion of anything contradictory to its central theme justifying the church. This book makes no mention of the possible corruption of Popes. It has only one mention of the corruption of monasteries in the tenth century, and nothing at all of the problems of the late Middle Ages. It isn't that it deals with these problems in a different fashion than the references I used did. It doesn't address them at all - as if they didn't happen - yet they did. |
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I also found ''The Western Church in the Middle Ages'' by John A. F. Thomson at the Archive. It also presents its material from a distinctly Catholic POV. On page 91 that "churchmen had mistresses" is mentioned, but virtually nothing more than that on corruption, or what corruption might have involved, is discussed. On page 129, it mentions the famous Bernard Gui but it does so with nothing more than a comment on his understanding of heresy as contempt for the authority of the church. There is no critical discussion of what that authority was thought to be, or why it was thought valid at this time, or how that might have differed from what went before or after - none of it. It makes no mention of opposition that developed against Gui, or why, or what scholars say of him now. It doesn't mention how many people he was responsible for killing. James B. Given compares Gui's rates of execution ''un''favorably to those of secular courts in France, England, ''and'' Italy. Karen Sullivan has argued that Gui was among the more zealous of inquisitors. None of that's in this book. On page 132 the author writes that, "by the fourteenth century, Catharism had ceased to be a serious threat to the church". What constitutes a serious threat? What assumptions underlie that? A ''lot'' of them! And none are even mentioned. People were killed because they thought differently. That's a fair criticism of the period, but it is nowhere in this book. There is nothing on the problematic Popes. If you have pages and content that contradicts this, please share because I couldn't find any. |
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I liked Marcia L. Colish's ''Medieval Foundations of the Western Intellectual Tradition'', but it has virtually nothing on the history of Christianity as such. In the ''History of the Western Humanities'' by Matthews and Platt, they include the history of philosophy and the history of religion as well as histories of art and literature. Colish follows a much narrower thread, but whatever it is, it is not a history of Christianity. |
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These books can't qualify as alternate views on issues they don't discuss. An absence of information does not create a neutral POV. |
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I am now deeply distressed. It was my desire to accommodate your request and include your favorite sources. I find, through no fault of my own, that I cannot in good conscience do so after all. I am now concerned about this being held against me as a lack of cooperation on my part. [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 00:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi, could you check this? Talk:Budapest#Climate I think it is fringe that Hungary is "subtropical" OrionNimrod (talk) 14:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- ):):):) Ez q..va jó! Yes, it is obviously fringe. Borsoka (talk) 14:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Could you join to the conversation? OrionNimrod (talk) 20:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, no. Climate is not my subject of interest. Borsoka (talk) 01:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Could you join to the conversation? OrionNimrod (talk) 20:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
TFA
Thank you today for Theodore II Laskaris, "about a young Emperor of Nicaea (the most powerful successor state of the Byzantine Empire) who wrote several treatises about theological, historical and philosophical themes. He preferred the company of low born intellectuals which led to conflicts with the Nicaean aristocracy. He expanded the territory of his empire but died young due to a chronic illness, likely cancer. His Great Supplicatory Canon to Our Lady is still sung in Orthodox ceremonies"! - I have a composer on the same page - sadly because he died - who composed music for the Orthodox church, Romuald Twardowski. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
History of Christianity peer review recommendations
I went looking for the books you recommended in order to include them and hopefully make you happier with my sources. Now I have a different problem. I found Religion in the medieval West by Bernard Hamilton through the Archive. IMO, this book is a Christian apology, rather than an objective history, that simply omits discussion of anything contradictory to its central theme justifying the church. This book makes no mention of the possible corruption of Popes. It has only one mention of the corruption of monasteries in the tenth century, and nothing at all of the problems of the late Middle Ages. It isn't that it deals with these problems in a different fashion than the references I used did. It doesn't address them at all - as if they didn't happen - yet they did.
I also found The Western Church in the Middle Ages by John A. F. Thomson at the Archive. It also presents its material from a distinctly Catholic POV. On page 91 that "churchmen had mistresses" is mentioned, but virtually nothing more than that on corruption, or what corruption might have involved, is discussed. On page 129, it mentions the famous Bernard Gui but it does so with nothing more than a comment on his understanding of heresy as contempt for the authority of the church. There is no critical discussion of what that authority was thought to be, or why it was thought valid at this time, or how that might have differed from what went before or after - none of it. It makes no mention of opposition that developed against Gui, or why, or what scholars say of him now. It doesn't mention how many people he was responsible for killing. James B. Given compares Gui's rates of execution unfavorably to those of secular courts in France, England, and Italy. Karen Sullivan has argued that Gui was among the more zealous of inquisitors. None of that's in this book. On page 132 the author writes that, "by the fourteenth century, Catharism had ceased to be a serious threat to the church". What constitutes a serious threat? What assumptions underlie that? A lot of them! And none are even mentioned. People were killed because they thought differently. That's a fair criticism of the period, but it is nowhere in this book. There is nothing on the problematic Popes. If you have pages and content that contradicts this, please share because I couldn't find any.
I liked Marcia L. Colish's Medieval Foundations of the Western Intellectual Tradition, but it has virtually nothing on the history of Christianity as such. In the History of the Western Humanities by Matthews and Platt, they include the history of philosophy and the history of religion as well as histories of art and literature. Colish follows a much narrower thread, but whatever it is, it is not a history of Christianity.
These books can't qualify as alternate views on issues they don't discuss. An absence of information does not create a neutral POV.
I am now deeply distressed. It was my desire to accommodate your request and include your favorite sources. I find, through no fault of my own, that I cannot in good conscience do so after all. I am now concerned about this being held against me as a lack of cooperation on my part. Jenhawk777 (talk) 00:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)