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[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> could not find secondary source disputing Shilts' characterization of the relationship, nor any general criticism of the book as unreliable. Further, the argument about McKinley's age is [[WP:OR]] as well as based on Find-a-Grave, which is self-published and therefore not [[WP:RS]]. [[User:Xan747|Xan747]] ([[User talk:Xan747|talk]]) 18:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> could not find secondary source disputing Shilts' characterization of the relationship, nor any general criticism of the book as unreliable. Further, the argument about McKinley's age is [[WP:OR]] as well as based on Find-a-Grave, which is self-published and therefore not [[WP:RS]]. [[User:Xan747|Xan747]] ([[User talk:Xan747|talk]]) 18:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2023 ==

{{edit semi-protected|Harvey Milk|answered=no}}
Please change: "He started a romantic relationship with Jack Galen McKinley and recruited him to work on conservative Republican Barry Goldwater's 1964 presidential campaign.[16] Their relationship was troubled. When McKinley first began his relationship with Milk in late 1964, McKinley was 16 years old.[17]He was prone to depression and sometimes threatened to commit suicide if Milk did not show him enough attention.[18]"
To this: "He started a romantic relationship with John Galen "Jack" McKinley (born October 18, 1946)<ref>https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189498799/john-galen-mckinley?_gl=1*2aurbf*_gcl_au*MTg1ODQ1MDAwOS4xNjg3Mjc3Njc3*_ga*MTk2ODc4NTgyLjE2ODcyNzc2Nzg.*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*NmNkOGViZDctOTk2Yy00ZGUwLWEyZWItODcwMTdiMWZjMDRmLjEwLjEuMTY4OTg3OTg4Ni41OS4wLjA.</ref>and recruited him to work on conservative Republican Barry Goldwater's 1964 presidential campaign. When McKinley first began his relationship with Milk in late 1964, McKinley was 17 or 18 years old. Their relationship was troubled. McKinley was prone to depression and sometimes threatened to commit suicide if Milk did not show him enough attention." [[User:Southpaw70|Southpaw70]] ([[User talk:Southpaw70|talk]]) 23:49, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

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Accusations of pedophilia

Considering his relationship with Jack McKinnley began when McKinnley was 16 wouldn't it be relevant to mention that as pedophilia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viktory02 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, because it was legal to enter into such a relationship at the time.[1] – Muboshgu (talk) 22:50, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, it would not be relevant or accurate to mention that as pedophilia. Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder that involves sexual attraction to prepubescent children, not teenagers. Moreover, there is no reliable source that confirms that McKinley was 16 when he began his relationship with Milk. The only source that makes this claim is Randy Shilts, who did not provide any evidence or citation for it, nor did he interview Milk or McKinley for his book. He also did not conduct any archival research to verify the dates or ages of the two men. Therefore, his assertion is not supported by any reliable source. If they met in late 1964, as Shilts said, McKinley born Oct 18, 1946 was 18 at the start of their relationship. Beautrix (talk) 01:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Randy Shilts' biography of Milk certainly is a reliable source, and that source makes clear McKinley was 16 when his relationship with Milk began. The age of consent in California is 18 and has been 18 since 1913. Pedophilia is a psychiatric diagnosis, colloquially used to describe illegal, inappropriate and predatory relationships, like the one Milk is documented as having. Similar accusations appear on other pages. It's omission degrades this article and is likely due to bias and the desire to protect a 'secular saint.' Dr Fell (talk) 19:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No it was not legal at the time at all and it is true about Milk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.14.40.216 (talk) 09:52, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note 8 - typo?

The note in reference 8 is initially discussing White's finances, but the second half of the quote refers to Milk. Is that a mistake? If not maybe some additional context should be added because I'm not clear on the connection. 24.113.239.214 (talk) 10:35, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2023

Change: He started a romantic relationship with Jack Galen McKinley and recruited him to work on conservative Republican Barry Goldwater's 1964 presidential campaign.[16] Their relationship was troubled. When McKinley first began his relationship with Milk in late 1964, McKinley was 16 years old.[17]

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In late 1964, Milk started a romantic relationship with Broadway Stage Manager John Galen "Jack" McKinley, who was born on October 18, 1946, and recruited him to work on conservative Republican Barry Goldwater’s 1964 presidential campaign.[16]

It has been widely repeated that Milk and McKinley’s relationship began when McKinley was underage, based on the account of Randy Shilts in his biography of Milk, The Mayor of Castro Street, which was published in 1982. However, Shilts did not provide any evidence or citation for this claim, nor did he interview Milk or McKinley for his book. He also did not conduct any archival research to verify the dates or ages of the two men. His assertion lacks reliable support. But if they met in late 1964, as Shilts said, McKinley was 18 at the start of their relationship. Beautrix (talk) 01:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: could not find secondary source disputing Shilts' characterization of the relationship, nor any general criticism of the book as unreliable. Further, the argument about McKinley's age is WP:OR as well as based on Find-a-Grave, which is self-published and therefore not WP:RS. Xan747 (talk) 18:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2023

Please change: "He started a romantic relationship with Jack Galen McKinley and recruited him to work on conservative Republican Barry Goldwater's 1964 presidential campaign.[16] Their relationship was troubled. When McKinley first began his relationship with Milk in late 1964, McKinley was 16 years old.[17]He was prone to depression and sometimes threatened to commit suicide if Milk did not show him enough attention.[18]" To this: "He started a romantic relationship with John Galen "Jack" McKinley (born October 18, 1946)[1]and recruited him to work on conservative Republican Barry Goldwater's 1964 presidential campaign. When McKinley first began his relationship with Milk in late 1964, McKinley was 17 or 18 years old. Their relationship was troubled. McKinley was prone to depression and sometimes threatened to commit suicide if Milk did not show him enough attention." Southpaw70 (talk) 23:49, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189498799/john-galen-mckinley?_gl=1*2aurbf*_gcl_au*MTg1ODQ1MDAwOS4xNjg3Mjc3Njc3*_ga*MTk2ODc4NTgyLjE2ODcyNzc2Nzg.*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*NmNkOGViZDctOTk2Yy00ZGUwLWEyZWItODcwMTdiMWZjMDRmLjEwLjEuMTY4OTg3OTg4Ni41OS4wLjA.
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