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You disrupted the statement "The fortifications, as they have been preserved to date, are mostly of [[Republic of Venice|Venetian]]" (with added source) at the [[Rozafa Castle]] page. |
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The new statement is now "Originally an [[Illyrians|Illyrian]] fortification, its remains are mostly of [[Republic of Venice|Venetian]] origin" (in which you kept the source as listed previously). The same source does not imply it was originally an Illyrian fortification, nor have I found other sources who imply that. I encourage you to stop pushing POV just because you "think that's better wording" (your own words). Either change it back to the previous statement or find a source who backs that claim. [[User:Aleksandarstankov|Aleksandarstankov]] ([[User talk:Aleksandarstankov|talk]]) 17:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC) |
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About Zourafa
Hello, first of all, I'm Fertilis from Turkey, I want you to make some corrections about Zourafa Island. First of all, all Turkish words are misspelled, for example: Piri Reyes should be "Piri Reis" . Even the Turkish name of the island is written as Zurata, not Zurafa . In addition, almost all of the references you have given are taken from unilateral and non-objective sources. I can help you with references and editing... Fertilis Spes (talk) 15:16, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Fertilis Spes. I am assuming good faith on the Turkish spelling, so I added back the relevant changes you made. As for the rest of your changes, the community consensus is that the island is in Greece, not in Turkey. It is sth that you can not change. I hope you find editing on eniki interesting, and continue to contribute. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 15:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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I find it very important that this topic area avoids any escalations, and your helpful edits here [1] helped positively towards that direction. Thank you. - ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 14:08, 8 February 2022 (UTC) |
- Hey @SilentResident: thank you, much appreciated :) Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:12, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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I appreciate the explanation. So much less time would be wasted if editors took the time to explain. Drmies (talk) 19:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Drmies: thanks, and I appreciate your work with patrolling pages and reverting unconstructive edits. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:04, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
- Years ago it was a big deal at RfA; "are you writing edit summaries?" I don't know if I was bad at it or not but I took it to heart. I just ran this, and I'm not displeased, but I ran it (never did it before) because I'm dealing with a much-criticized editor who's really into disruptive territory, and what they have is this. No wonder editors can't figure out what's going on and just get tired of it. It's particularly bad with all those IP editors that update (if that's what they do) sports articles. Now, you do that in an area that's already difficult (not zlotys or soccer), but the area you edit in, and man it's just disruptive and discourteous. Like, you want to edit war and redo the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact or the ethnic cleansing in Wolyn, but you can't write a few words to explain? The older I get the less patience I have with that. Take care, Drmies (talk) 20:10, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
- Not writing an edit summary has its "benefits": some are lazy, and others want to somehow make harder for other editors to figure out disruptive changes. It is Wikipedia's software that is to blame: it should not allow edits to be saved without an edit summary with a minimum number of words (apart from cases when vandalism fighting tools like Twinkle are being used). And worse than not writing an edit summary is writing one with personal attacks, sth not uncommon in the Balkans topic area (especially the classic "Rv POV-pusher"). Not to mention the misleading edit summaries. I wonder why a good number of vandal IPs write "Fixed typo" in the edit summary. I guess dumb people like making dumb things. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:56, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
- Years ago it was a big deal at RfA; "are you writing edit summaries?" I don't know if I was bad at it or not but I took it to heart. I just ran this, and I'm not displeased, but I ran it (never did it before) because I'm dealing with a much-criticized editor who's really into disruptive territory, and what they have is this. No wonder editors can't figure out what's going on and just get tired of it. It's particularly bad with all those IP editors that update (if that's what they do) sports articles. Now, you do that in an area that's already difficult (not zlotys or soccer), but the area you edit in, and man it's just disruptive and discourteous. Like, you want to edit war and redo the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact or the ethnic cleansing in Wolyn, but you can't write a few words to explain? The older I get the less patience I have with that. Take care, Drmies (talk) 20:10, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
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Double standards in using reference
Based on this summary [[2]] your wp:POV is far too obvious: on professor Vakalopoulos you are asking for his use of primaries and removing him on sight while on pro-Albanian politician-historian Xhufi you feel very convenient no matter that he is rejected in modern scholarship by so multiple academic institutions.Alexikoua (talk) 17:10, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- See my note on the talk page. There is an old 16th century pic of the battle of Sopot, and Mormoris and Albanians are mentioned there. No Greeks. If you find reliable sources that mentions Greek, ofc the content can be added again. On Xhufi, I have never used him as a source, and I do not like his work. If the pic was not there, I would not trust Xhufi more than Vakapoulos. I have the impression that both are partisan authors. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:14, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- Pardon me but you remove Vakalopoulos [[3]] and add Xhufi [[4]] in a variety of occasions. Do I have to say that you need to fill an RSN for Vakalopoulos, Spiro and other well known academics instead of removing them on sight?Alexikoua (talk) 04:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- I did not endorse Xhufi, I reverted your edit because one of the changes was the removal of the Romanian source. The rest could be redone as I explained there [5]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 08:48, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Pardon me but you remove Vakalopoulos [[3]] and add Xhufi [[4]] in a variety of occasions. Do I have to say that you need to fill an RSN for Vakalopoulos, Spiro and other well known academics instead of removing them on sight?Alexikoua (talk) 04:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- See my note on the talk page. There is an old 16th century pic of the battle of Sopot, and Mormoris and Albanians are mentioned there. No Greeks. If you find reliable sources that mentions Greek, ofc the content can be added again. On Xhufi, I have never used him as a source, and I do not like his work. If the pic was not there, I would not trust Xhufi more than Vakapoulos. I have the impression that both are partisan authors. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:14, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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You have been accused for large scale tag teaming during a failed report you filled against me recently. Currently, it's not productive to revert warning messages that have been posted to users that have just made drive-by reverts without having the slightest knowledge on the subject. Alexikoua (talk) 18:10, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Who "accused" me? Those who have no evidence at all. The 3RR report was not "failed", you got a warning. If you want to learn what a "failed" report is, take a look at the SPI you filed on me. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:17, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- You need to describe the result in a neutral way: both parts were warned. You compare it with that SPI at 2017? It wasn't failed but stale.Alexikoua (talk) 04:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- It was you who got a warning, not me. Can ask the admin if you want. Ktrimi991 (talk) 08:47, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Admin's clarification [6]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:35, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- It was you who got a warning, not me. Can ask the admin if you want. Ktrimi991 (talk) 08:47, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- You need to describe the result in a neutral way: both parts were warned. You compare it with that SPI at 2017? It wasn't failed but stale.Alexikoua (talk) 04:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Who "accused" me? Those who have no evidence at all. The 3RR report was not "failed", you got a warning. If you want to learn what a "failed" report is, take a look at the SPI you filed on me. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:17, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
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Major inconsistency in edit summaries
Here you remove [[7]] Kokolakis as "old research" in favor of supposed newer research, nevertheless here [[8]] you are in favor of Kokolakis no matter if Spiro's research is a very recent one. It appears you just prefer to push a strong national POV. Consider that this kind of aggressive language and inconsistency will lead you soon to AE.Alexikoua (talk) 19:25, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- File an AE report whenever you wish. Spiro's Delvina claim is patent non-sense, it is not just that he disagrees with a particular author. Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Btw he is Kallivretakis, not "Kokolakis". Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Thesprotia
Your statement "Do not template regular editors because they disagree with you." shows that you are acknowledging that the content you tried to add, is in disagreement with the other editors. Yet you avoided using the talk page [9] to discuss the matter. Why? - ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 19:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- I have not "avoided" using the tp. I have to read walls of text, figure out the meaning of everything and then prepare my response. I reverted because removing a 2020 source to add a 1995 is not a good idea at all. Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you are referring to the reason for the expulsion rather than the demographics issue (only now I saw my revert involved that part actually), then that is another matter. It can be written "X author says Y, while Z author says W". It is easy to do, and anyone can see both POVs and evaluate by themselves which part is typical Balkan history and which is crappy simplification. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- The reason of the expulsion is my concern. It should be discussed in the article talk page, not here. Please re-post your messages to the relevant talk page so that others can read them too. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 20:04, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you are referring to the reason for the expulsion rather than the demographics issue (only now I saw my revert involved that part actually), then that is another matter. It can be written "X author says Y, while Z author says W". It is easy to do, and anyone can see both POVs and evaluate by themselves which part is typical Balkan history and which is crappy simplification. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
About my note
Hi Ktrimi, long time no see. I see I had a note for the Bektashi section that I would expand it, sometime, that I left five years ago. I regret to say that due to other commitments (which are still there despite me having briefly returned), I really can't see myself finding the time to do that. I do see that User:Botushali has done a great job making a new page on the section. Maybe I will add various stuff from the sources I intended to use there. Either way, great work! --Calthinus (talk) 16:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Cal :) No worries, I will take some interesting parts from Botushali's article and add them to that section. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:05, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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Hello, you must see this video to add more accurate info for Pileus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Ev-RR-wmA&t=22s HadrianusN (talk) 21:06, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hi HadrianusN. Youtube is not considered a reliable source on Wikipedia. The content you removed is sourced to academic works that are considered reliable. Read WP:RS and WP:BRD before editing again. Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:33, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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Hello! Just wanted to inform you that this is already habitual. Editor deletes everything on h talk page so it's cumbersome to keep track. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @SergeWoodzing: Yep, I know. A few weeks ago I made a comment about their behaviour in a report that was closed with a block for edit warring. After the block they should reflect, though time will tell if they indeed will improve. Most of their edits are reverts, which is not great. Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:48, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Time has told already, methinks. SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:06, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- @SergeWoodzing: FYI, Gugrak was a sock account [10]. If you happen to interact with their next sock account, their editing habits might help to make the connection. Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:47, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- Time has told already, methinks. SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:06, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Macura
Why are you spreading false information about Macura being an Albanian tribe, when they are not? Cheking inf (talk) 13:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Read WP:RS and WP:OR before editing again. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hello. Can you explain me the problem with Kastriot Myftaraj's source? Super Ψ Dro 17:02, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Also. You keep confusing ethnicity with identity. They are not the same. Aurel Plasari, and others, are ethnic Aromanians. That does not mean that they identify only as Aromanians or that they reject an Albanian identity. If your notion of ethnicity and identity being synonymous were true, we would 1) have an article about the Aromanians treating only a few thousand individuals not identifying as Greek, Romanian or other 2) we would not be able to refer to individuals' parents as ethnic Aromanian because we would then assume their identity (Rita Marko's case). Your interpretation is not the one used in Wikipedia. It is clearly stated at Aromanians that they're an ethnic group despite their conflicting, various identities being well-known, which is also mentioned in the article. Super Ψ Dro 17:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Take a look at Kastriot Myftaraj. FYI, he is using "vlleh" as an ethnic slur. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:12, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hey Ktrimi991,
I know that it [1] is basically just what Alexikoua said, however, I think it would be good to wait for Alexikouas response at first. AlexBachmann (talk) 19:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- Having 3 name translations in the lede clutters the very first sentence of the article. However, if you and Alexikoua reach a different agreement, I will not oppose it. Hence I did stop at that point and did not implement it on other articles. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- I somehow have the feeling that there isn't going to be a response soon. I also haven't heard anything from Khirurg lately. AlexBachmann (talk) 14:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Having 3 name translations in the lede clutters the very first sentence of the article. However, if you and Alexikoua reach a different agreement, I will not oppose it. Hence I did stop at that point and did not implement it on other articles. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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Greece: Place name changes
The source explains everything. I can add the explanation of the special case of Byzantine Greek, which might be forgotten today. I didn’t want to balloon the introduction. Homei (talk) 17:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Homei, adding the relevant quote from the source to its reference template would suffice. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- "Again, the intellectuals who made up the commission assigned to impose and supervise the modification of the toponyms feared that excessive zeal might lead to the disappearance of toponyms coming down from the medieval period. That happened often as a result of over-hasty archaization. For example, the renowned Byzantine city-fortress of Monemvasia was temporarily renamed Epidaurus Limira, that is to say it was given an unknown name for which there was no authority. It was unclear whether only names that recalled the foreign conquerors ought to be changed, or if the modification of the name ought to consist of a general restoration of names of the Classical Era. This dilemma was explained by the fact that, at the time of the creation of the Greek state, the only "past" which was thought worthy of commemoration was the Classical Period. Ancient sites and monuments were subjected to the same procedure of erasing the medieval past. The image of the Parthenon we see now was created in the nineteenth century after the elimination from the Acropolis of all the buildings not belonging to the Classical Period of the fifth century BC. It was only after the Balkan wars in 1912-1913 that the Byzantine and medieval periods began to be thought capable of providing references in "space-time" for modern Greek ideology. However, even after the national ideology was enriched in these ways, Classical antiquity never lost its primacy."
- Above from page 235 of Hellenisms: culture, idenitity, and ethnicity from antiquity to modernity
- "One of the most revealing cases regards the change of the name of Ghioumoultzina/ GiimUlcine to Komotini: The Ottoman version of the name was very close to the old original Byzantine name Koumoutzina, but the more hellenised Komotini has prevailed. Report by the Committee on the place names in Greece to the Ministry of the Interior, 2.11.1921, AP 417, State General Archives ofAthens, Collection Stamoulis, K85.c, 8, doc 085. On the man agement of city space as a field of antagonism between Greeks and Turks and the symbolic power of the usage of buildings and plots once owned by the Muslim or Jewish communi ties by the majority, see V. Koutsoukos, 2004."
- Above from page 50 of Old and New Islam in Greece: From Historical Minorities to Immigrant Newcomers
- I don’t know the wiki syntax to add these quotes. Could you do that? The essence is that the Byzantine was only added later to the Greek canon and originally only classical names were accepted. Many towns and cities were changed from their Byzantine to their classical names. Homei (talk) 18:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Homei, since they are long quotes from online books, no need to add the quotes to the reference templates. If you even need to add quotes, there you can learn how. It is very easy. Feel free to redo your edit which I reverted. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Done, check it out. :) Homei (talk) 21:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Good job, cheers. Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Done, check it out. :) Homei (talk) 21:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Homei, since they are long quotes from online books, no need to add the quotes to the reference templates. If you even need to add quotes, there you can learn how. It is very easy. Feel free to redo your edit which I reverted. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
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Lukova
Mirmbrama Ktrimi, we've discussed at Anthousa, Preveza. If you have a different opinion than I do, you, of course, can intervene. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hey, Lukova should be discussed on its own talk page. Any kind of consensus reached on Anthousa can't decide on Lukova. Btw, are the other side of the "deal" willing to add the Albanian name to Igoumenitsa and Parga, where there are still some Albanian speakers? Or are you "exchanging" important settlements like the entire Lukova municipality with dead and lost villages like Anthousa? Just asking because neither I care about those articles nor are such "deals" in line with WP:OTHERSTUFF. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Alright, good point. If the Albanian name doesn't go to Parga and Igoumenitsa, we'll remove Lukova and Piqeras. Is that alright? AlexBachmann (talk) 21:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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Disruptive edit
You disrupted the statement "The fortifications, as they have been preserved to date, are mostly of Venetian" (with added source) at the Rozafa Castle page.
The new statement is now "Originally an Illyrian fortification, its remains are mostly of Venetian origin" (in which you kept the source as listed previously). The same source does not imply it was originally an Illyrian fortification, nor have I found other sources who imply that. I encourage you to stop pushing POV just because you "think that's better wording" (your own words). Either change it back to the previous statement or find a source who backs that claim. Aleksandarstankov (talk) 17:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC)