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Bruno Mars - Grenade is listed twice

Call Me Maybe has now sold over 20 million units according to her official website. Hope this helps !

Source: https://www.carlyraemusic.com/content/about

First need reliable source not artists own website!Tillywilly17 (talk) 20:33, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no way that this track is the fourth best song of all-time. The first citation is a biog of lead singer Ray Dorset which claims the song sold 30 million copies worldwide. Included in this 30 million are a claimed 6 million sales in the UK. According the the official record (officialcharts.com) only 178 songs have ever sold a million in in the UK, and In The Summertime isn’t one of them. In fact there were no million sellers in the UK that year. If it had sold 6 million in the UK it would the biggest selling song ever in this market. The biog used is in the citation is wildly inaccurate. 86.167.157.75 (talk) 20:14, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

last.fm states that the total sales in 1970 were ‘estimated’ being 6 million. It shares the following info also: the 7 weeks atop the UK charts, 2 weeks in Canada and reaching number 3 on Billboards Hot 100. If correct it never did the 6 million in the UK alone. Guessing the 30 million is a fabrication, not fact. Will continue to investigate. THX1136 (talk) 01:02, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

While there is no source listed songfacts.com claims worldwide sales of 16 million. Seems high to me, but possibly more likely than 30 million.THX1136 (talk) 01:10, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"there is no source listed"

Missing the magic ingredient! Next case, bailiff Tillywilly17 (talk) 20:43, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I contacted songfacts.com

https://www.songfacts.com/facts/mungo-jerry/in-the-summertime

"This sold over 16 million copies worldwide and was Britain's biggest-selling single in 1970."

What is source and what convinced you to put on your website?

will post reply Tillywilly17 (talk) 21:09, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many of the physical sales are inflated

1. Just because something appears in print doesn't make it true. White Christmas selling 50 million isca claim - and has never been broken down by country, for example. 2. There was no global authority compiling these figures. 3. Individual certifications are well short of the claimed figures. I recognise decades ago not many countries had them. But just follow your own rules and say that a minimum percentage of certificated sales have to be proven. Coachtripfan (talk) 17:48, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Worst example is In The Summertime - Mungo Jerry (see previous comment)

I believe song should not be listed until we have a reliable source, not removed when we find reliable source number is incorrect Tillywilly17 (talk) 20:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing in common is both are music. But once medium changed, the numbers can't be compared. For songs with both, keep in original category Tillywilly17 (talk) 20:39, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

please refer to prior section

I contacted songfacts.com https://www.songfacts.com/facts/mungo-jerry/in-the-summertime "This sold over 16 million copies worldwide and was Britain's biggest-selling single in 1970." What is source and what convinced you to put on your website?

reply

Hi Dave.

That info came from a book called 1000 UK Number Ones, which we've found to be very well researched.

Be Well, Carl Songfacts

Meanwhile, I checked UK and US certifications

https://www.bpi.co.uk/brit-certified/

ARTIST TITLE LABEL AWARD FORMAT CERTIFIED RELEASED

Mungo Jerry In The Summertime Sanctuary Silver Single 06.03.2020 27.11.2005

Mungo Jerry Alright, Alright, Alright Dawn Silver Single 01.08.1973 22.06.1973

US

MUNGO JERRY IN THE SUMMERTIME JANUS SINGLE 0.5

We need some compelling evidence or this has to be removed Tillywilly17 (talk) 05:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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They decided on the name Mungo Jerry only two weeks before

the disc was released on 12 May. Their recording debut also

launched the new series of Dawn 'Maxi-Singles'. lt proved to be

a colossal runaway success, due to the new craze for the group's

jug-blues-rock-folk-country music, as opposed to the so-called

progressive pop music. The disc features Paul King who actually

blows over the jug - an empty cider jar - the Mungo Jerry style

being rather more contemporary than that used by the jug bands

which originated in Chicago in the 1'920s.

The disc was No 1 for seven weeks in Britain and stayed in

their bestsellers for 20 weeks. In the U.S.A. it was No 1 for a

week and sold over a million there, with Gold Disc award from

R.I.A.A. by August, just two months after release. British sales

were around 800,000. The disc was No 1 in 26 countries includ­

ing Canada, Denmark, New Zealand, Holland, Norway, Finland,

West Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Singapore, Italy, Malay­

sia and France, selling 400,000 in France in the first month, just

about the fastest seller ever known there, and subsequently a

million. The group were presented with a Gold Disc on 23

November 1971 at the Olympia, Paris, by Vogue International

label for the French million sale. Global sales totalled over six

million by the end of the year.

Mungomania was possibly the most startling and unexpected

pop phenomenon to hit Britain since the Beatles. Mungo Jerry

made their first trip to the U.S.A. in September 1970. Tillywilly17 (talk) 08:24, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]