Talk:Maram Susli: Difference between revisions
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BusterD stated in the decision to Keep that "Of the extended confirmed contributors, none asserted delete." I asserted Delete. Is BusterD claiming that I am not a confirmed contributor? [[User:Wootendw|Wootendw]] ([[User talk:Wootendw|talk]]) 03:31, 14 November 2022 (UTC) |
BusterD stated in the decision to Keep that "Of the extended confirmed contributors, none asserted delete." I asserted Delete. Is BusterD claiming that I am not a confirmed contributor? [[User:Wootendw|Wootendw]] ([[User talk:Wootendw|talk]]) 03:31, 14 November 2022 (UTC) |
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:"[[WP:XC|Extended confirmed]]" refers to editors who have been editing more than 30 days and who have made 500 or more edits. EC is a classification of at least mildly experienced editors who have made sufficient contributions to automatically gain certain user privileges. So my characterization excludes User:Wootendw, who has 46 edits total, including 21 this year. The statement was intended to distinguish accounts which have made an investment in time and energy on Wikipedia from those which have not. "Of the extended confirmed contributors, none asserted delete" is a statement of fact, not a claim or assertion. Since the AfD process was obviously rife with |
:"[[WP:XC|Extended confirmed]]" refers to editors who have been editing more than 30 days and who have made 500 or more edits. EC is a classification of at least mildly experienced editors who have made sufficient contributions to automatically gain certain user privileges. So my characterization excludes User:Wootendw, who has 46 edits total, including 21 this year. The statement was intended to distinguish accounts which have made an investment in time and energy on Wikipedia from those which have not. "Of the extended confirmed contributors, none asserted delete" is a statement of fact, not a claim or assertion. Since the AfD process was obviously rife with off-wiki canvassing, I felt it important to make that part of the closing statement. [[User:BusterD|BusterD]] ([[User talk:BusterD|talk]]) 11:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== Remove Daily Beast Article == |
== Remove Daily Beast Article == |
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BusterD stated in the decision to Keep that "Of the extended confirmed contributors, none asserted delete." I asserted Delete. Is BusterD claiming that I am not a confirmed contributor? Wootendw (talk) 03:31, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- "Extended confirmed" refers to editors who have been editing more than 30 days and who have made 500 or more edits. EC is a classification of at least mildly experienced editors who have made sufficient contributions to automatically gain certain user privileges. So my characterization excludes User:Wootendw, who has 46 edits total, including 21 this year. The statement was intended to distinguish accounts which have made an investment in time and energy on Wikipedia from those which have not. "Of the extended confirmed contributors, none asserted delete" is a statement of fact, not a claim or assertion. Since the AfD process was obviously rife with off-wiki canvassing, I felt it important to make that part of the closing statement. BusterD (talk) 11:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Remove Daily Beast Article
One of the references used in the article, Schachtman, Noah; Kennedy, Michael (17 October 2014). "The Kardashian Look-Alike Trolling for Assad", says that "Susli appears to have shared her thoughts with the Internet as “Syrian Sister”" but adds that "[t]here’s no way to say for sure which accounts belonged to Susli—and she has said in the past that she has been misquoted."(emphasis added). As there is no evidence provide in the article that Miss Susli has ever called herself "Syrian Sister" (and has denied doing so), and as there are at least 11 paragraphs in the article that attribute such things as Nazis, calling for American blood, Freemasons, etc., to Susli, the article should not be used for reference. Some parts of the article do concede, on the subject of Holocaust denial, that Susli believes that “Jews were ethnically cleansed from Germany… However, if you want to talk about specifics and numbers and events and stuff, I’m going to leave that to the historians. And I think you’d find that there’s historians on both sides.”. The intermixing of 'Syrian Sister' and Susli throughout much of the article makes it difficult to ascertain whether claims came from Susli or an imposter. The article should not be used as a reference and all references exclusively to [6] should be removed, if and when the article is editable again. Wootendw (talk) 03:11, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- The article is editable for extended confirmed users (See WP:XCON). Wikipedia does not deal directly in assembling evidence. That is, it is not a place for original research. Instead, it reflects reliable sources which are judged not on the content of this or that specific article, but on their general trustworthiness. As such, you need to produce reliable sources that state that she is not Syrian Girl. It may then be apparent that the Daily Beast article and other sources are obviously wrong on that particular point and editors agree to remove all reference to it, or it may be the judgement of editors on the page that it's better that the dispute over this be reported. However, until you produce these sources that deny the connection, no movement is possible. Currently what we have is that multiple sources say Maram Susli is Syrian Girl.OsFish (talk) 07:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)