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Hi there, per [[WP:DIFFUSE]], if an article is in a subcategory, you should avoid placing it additionally in the parent category. [[User:Mutt Lunker|Mutt Lunker]] ([[User talk:Mutt Lunker|talk]]) 11:37, 10 November 2022 (UTC) |
Hi there, per [[WP:DIFFUSE]], if an article is in a subcategory, you should avoid placing it additionally in the parent category. [[User:Mutt Lunker|Mutt Lunker]] ([[User talk:Mutt Lunker|talk]]) 11:37, 10 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== East Swedic == |
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Hello, you have been inserting references to an alleged subcategory called ''East Swedic''. This is not a commonly accepted category in academia. In fact, I cannot find it anywhere outside Glottolog which, while useful, is not peer-reviewed. At Wikipedia, we typically go with the mainstream academic view. [[User:Jeppiz|Jeppiz]] ([[User talk:Jeppiz|talk]]) 21:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Minor edits
Hey, Arctic Circle System. Just one little thing for your information: the meaning of "minor edit" is a little more narrow than you might think. Any edit that that adds or removes content, or otherwise significantly changes the meaning of an article, is not really considered "minor". Types of edit for which it is considered appropriate to check the "minor edit" box are listed here. Please try to keep this in mind in the future - in particular, when you add an entry to a list or table, please do not mark the edit as minor. If you have any questions for me, feel free to ask them. Kind regards from PJvanMill)talk( 14:43, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- My apologies, will keep that in mind for the future. ~Nai of Arctic Circle System (talk) 06:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
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My apologies
: it's not a problem:)
. It's really only a little thing, and you can't know everything in advance. Wikipedia's policy, guideline and information pages are a lot, so everyone learns over time as they go. - One other thing you might not be aware of is notifying people. In this case I saw your reply because I put your talk page on my watchlist, but otherwise I would not have seen it. You can notify someone by linking to their user page in your comment, known as "pinging" them - specifics here. You can also use a template like
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for this, as demonstrated by HiLo48 above. I should note that some editors have receiving pings turned off in their settings; the most reliable way to get someone's attention is to make a post on their user talk page. Kind regards from PJvanMill)talk( 13:02, 25 January 2022 (UTC)- @PJvanMill: Thank you! I will use that in the future. For now we're gonna go ask about the fate of the Europe section of List of indigenous peoples on the talk page, because that got removed fairly recently because it was a mess and while we know for sure there are certain groups that need to be readded (like the Sámi and Pavee), there are others that we need to do further research into to see if there are reliable sources that consider them to be Indigenous peoples (which gets hard in situations where many sources on any given ethnic group are not in English) and we really don't want to make changes to the article without checking in. ~Nai of Arctic Circle System (talk) 13:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hey, Arctic Circle System. That sounds like a good plan, and I hope you'll get some discussion going. Do note though that sometimes, a talk page post can go without reply for ages... It is not often a necessity to discuss an edit before making it, and for a change that seems like a clear improvement, it is usually good to "be bold". At the same time, in areas where one has little experience, it is wise to be a bit cautious. Kind regards from PJvanMill)talk( 00:04, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
- @PJvanMill: Thank you! I will use that in the future. For now we're gonna go ask about the fate of the Europe section of List of indigenous peoples on the talk page, because that got removed fairly recently because it was a mess and while we know for sure there are certain groups that need to be readded (like the Sámi and Pavee), there are others that we need to do further research into to see if there are reliable sources that consider them to be Indigenous peoples (which gets hard in situations where many sources on any given ethnic group are not in English) and we really don't want to make changes to the article without checking in. ~Nai of Arctic Circle System (talk) 13:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
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Shared accounts
Hello, I have noticed you have been posting using various names. Please take a moment to read the policy on shared accounts. Thank you, --SVTCobra 11:37, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- @SVTCobra: We're a plural system, which is why we use the same account. See https://morethanone.info ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 12:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- I suppose, it's alright as long as each member of the plurality is aware what the other members do on Wikipedia. --SVTCobra 13:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- @SVTCobra: Oh! We found this FAQ on plurality and how plural systems should be treated on Wikipedia that explains this better! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tamzin/Plurality_and_multiplicity_FAQ ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 13:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, while it was a user essay and not policy or guideline, it was certainly enlightening. So, as long as you agree with Tamzin that the account is responsible for the on-Wiki behavior of all the members of the plurality, I don't have a problem with it. Since you appear to open about your state as a plural system, I wonder if it makes sense to disclose it on your userpage so this conversation doesn't have to be repeated with other editors in the future. Cheers, --SVTCobra 14:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- @SVTCobra: The user has actually told me on Discord that they would like to, however they are having trouble figuring out how to phrase it. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- @SVTCobra: @Blaze Wolf: We figured out how to word a note for our userpage, even if it's not fully polished yet. Having that essay really helped because we don't have to figure out how to explain why being a plural system doesn't violate the "no sharing accounts" policy. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 14:17, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Red Good to hear! I noticed you had done that shortly after I replied. As I said on Discord, if you need anything feel free to ask me! I'm always willing to help. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- @SVTCobra: @Blaze Wolf: We figured out how to word a note for our userpage, even if it's not fully polished yet. Having that essay really helped because we don't have to figure out how to explain why being a plural system doesn't violate the "no sharing accounts" policy. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 14:17, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- @SVTCobra: The user has actually told me on Discord that they would like to, however they are having trouble figuring out how to phrase it. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, while it was a user essay and not policy or guideline, it was certainly enlightening. So, as long as you agree with Tamzin that the account is responsible for the on-Wiki behavior of all the members of the plurality, I don't have a problem with it. Since you appear to open about your state as a plural system, I wonder if it makes sense to disclose it on your userpage so this conversation doesn't have to be repeated with other editors in the future. Cheers, --SVTCobra 14:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- @SVTCobra: Oh! We found this FAQ on plurality and how plural systems should be treated on Wikipedia that explains this better! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tamzin/Plurality_and_multiplicity_FAQ ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 13:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- I suppose, it's alright as long as each member of the plurality is aware what the other members do on Wikipedia. --SVTCobra 13:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Deleting external links
Hello, I noticed you deleted a series of external links with edit summaries of "Removed unreliable fringe source"[1][2][3] (and there seem to be more in your edit history). Please note that EL's are not sources, they are further reading, and as such they would normally contain a link to a text in question (the Varo Edition) and even an unreliable website falls under WP:ELMAYBE. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 12:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- My apologies, we probably should've clarified a bit better in our edit summaries. We were removing those links because the site in question is known to spread pseudoscience and conspiracy theories and we wanted to clear those off of the site. ~Opal of Arctic Circle System (talk) 02:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Fountains of Bryn Mawr: Whoops, forgot to ping you! Would it be okay to redo those edits with better edit summaries? I'm not sure how to handle this, all I know is that this site is known to spread a whole bunch of bullshit. ~Nai of Arctic Circle System (talk) 21:06, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Its not normal practice to simply delete website links or fringe content just because they are fringe (see WP:FRINGE). Its a judgment call as to what should be included and what is being cited. If we are talking about re-posted valid source documents that a Wikipedia editor linked to show a full version of the document, instead of a link to opinions or content created by the website author, that should not normally be removed. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Fountains of Bryn Mawr: Apologies for the late response, but would you be able to specify which part of WP:FRINGE covers this? ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 07:59, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Its not normal practice to simply delete website links or fringe content just because they are fringe (see WP:FRINGE). Its a judgment call as to what should be included and what is being cited. If we are talking about re-posted valid source documents that a Wikipedia editor linked to show a full version of the document, instead of a link to opinions or content created by the website author, that should not normally be removed. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Fountains of Bryn Mawr: Whoops, forgot to ping you! Would it be okay to redo those edits with better edit summaries? I'm not sure how to handle this, all I know is that this site is known to spread a whole bunch of bullshit. ~Nai of Arctic Circle System (talk) 21:06, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
"Itali-Slavs" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Itali-Slavs and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 3#Itali-Slavs until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 18:41, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Manchurian Öelets
Did you mean to make this an AfC draft? I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 07:17, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- @I dream of horses: It was originally an AfC draft, but we were having trouble keeping up the motivation to work on it (mental health is hard), so we moved it to Userspace so that it wouldn't get deleted because we didn't want our work on it to be erased after 60 days. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 07:26, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, your work won't get erased after 60 days. It gets deleted after 6 months of absolutely no non-bot edits, not even dummy edits. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 07:28, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- @I dream of horses: I see. I think we'll keep it in Userspace for now because it's already there until we're in a better place to work on it more. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 07:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 07:33, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- @I dream of horses: I see. I think we'll keep it in Userspace for now because it's already there until we're in a better place to work on it more. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 07:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, your work won't get erased after 60 days. It gets deleted after 6 months of absolutely no non-bot edits, not even dummy edits. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 07:28, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Wikidata templates
I wonder if this is a choice particularly made for that article, or if you intend to apply it to other language family articles as well? Personally, I am a big fan of "what you see is what you get", and I am afraid that many technically not so versed editors will have a hard time handling these parameters of the infobox. In the case of Vasconic languages though, I wouldn't be unhappy if your move helps to deter drive-by edits that want to include Iberian :) Austronesier (talk) 21:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Austronesier: I've been replacing other language family links with Wikidata templates as well as apparently it's more convenient for data queries and easier to update across languages, so I've heard. I'm not too technically versed in all honesty, so I'm not sure how true that is, but that's what we've been told. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 23:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- I still believe that it's not helpful for the average editor when you introduce opaque code in the infobox, as you have done again here[4]. Is it ok for you if I bring it up in WT:LANG? –Austronesier (talk) 18:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
- Sure. I'll stop doing it for now. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 21:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
- Whoops, forgot to ping @Austronesier:. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 21:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
- Sure. I'll stop doing it for now. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 21:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
- I still believe that it's not helpful for the average editor when you introduce opaque code in the infobox, as you have done again here[4]. Is it ok for you if I bring it up in WT:LANG? –Austronesier (talk) 18:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Diffusion of categories
Hi there, per WP:DIFFUSE, if an article is in a subcategory, you should avoid placing it additionally in the parent category. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:37, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
East Swedic
Hello, you have been inserting references to an alleged subcategory called East Swedic. This is not a commonly accepted category in academia. In fact, I cannot find it anywhere outside Glottolog which, while useful, is not peer-reviewed. At Wikipedia, we typically go with the mainstream academic view. Jeppiz (talk) 21:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)