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First of all, as you probably already know, the part about the family's "Wallachian ancestry" has been removed from the lead in the article about the [[Hunyadi family]] as per [[WP:EVASION]]. The sock puppet account, [[User:Bruhsmillah|Bruhsmillah]], also actively edited Hunyadi's page before getting banned, although he/she was not the one who initially added this info to the lead. |
First of all, as you probably already know, the part about the family's "Wallachian ancestry" has been removed from the lead in the article about the [[Hunyadi family]] as per [[WP:EVASION]]. The sock puppet account, [[User:Bruhsmillah|Bruhsmillah]], also actively edited Hunyadi's page before getting banned, although he/she was not the one who initially added this info to the lead. |
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As per [[MOS:ETHNICITY]]: ''"Ethnicity [...] |
As per [[MOS:ETHNICITY]]: ''"Ethnicity [...] should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability."'' In this case, Hunyadi's origin is not at all a defining factor of his notability, so I do not see any reason why it should be included in the lead. The issue is already thoroughly discussed in the paragraph about his childhood in a completely adequate and satisfactory way. |
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Secondly, I removed the wikilink from "Hungarian" as per [[MOS:OL]], but I do not think this needs any futher explanation. |
Secondly, I removed the wikilink from "Hungarian" as per [[MOS:OL]], but I do not think this needs any futher explanation. |
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:::::::A lot of people on the Middle ages article would be surprised to hear this (you gave the impression you know all), given your stubborn and off-putting hubris there. But fine. Can you let me know the limits of your knowledge, so please, so can judge. Also, thanks for nothing. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 05:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC) |
:::::::A lot of people on the Middle ages article would be surprised to hear this (you gave the impression you know all), given your stubborn and off-putting hubris there. But fine. Can you let me know the limits of your knowledge, so please, so can judge. Also, thanks for nothing. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 05:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::Yes, people often have wrong impressions about each other. Sorry, I will not list the limits of my knowledge because it would be time consuming. I prefer editing. [[User:Borsoka|Borsoka]] ([[User talk:Borsoka#top|talk]]) 05:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC) |
::::::Yes, people often have wrong impressions about each other. Sorry, I will not list the limits of my knowledge because it would be time consuming. I prefer editing. [[User:Borsoka|Borsoka]] ([[User talk:Borsoka#top|talk]]) 05:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC) |
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::And it seems pontificating! But cant back it up. I'm sorry now I gave you a chance. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 05:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC) |
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== GOCE request == |
== GOCE request == |
Revision as of 11:39, 4 April 2022
John Hunyadi's appearance
Hi Borsoka. Is it truth that John Hunyadi was short and he learnt how to read and write until his last years?
I was reading in German Wikipedia about John Hunyadi and it says that he learnt to write and read when he was Old. Also, it mentions that he couldn't write well in Latin language. Please, could you solve that doubt in the article in English. Cheers--190.234.57.65 (talk) 07:32, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- I have no information about these details of his life. Borsoka (talk) 04:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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Idea
If you are looking for a new project, I have an idea. The subject ticks your interests in Hungary, HRE, and Sicily. Constance of Aragon. I wanted to do it, but I am rather disappointed in the English language coverage. Surtsicna (talk) 21:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your idea. Yes, she is an interesting subject. Borsoka (talk) 01:37, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
GOCE review of Timeline of the Kingdom of Jerusalem
- One thing I noticed that I was not able to resolve was the years in the footnote: "Many historians write that these events happened in 1242, because Conrad II reached the age of majority at fifteen, according to the laws of Jerusalem. However, evidence conclusively proves that these events actually took place in 1242 (the year when he reached the age of majority, according to Sicilian laws). Thomas of Acerra, for instance, left Acerra for the Holy Land in 1242." Should one or more of the years be different from 1242?
- Thank you for your thorough and comprehensive copyedit and also for your query above. I fixed the problem (the first year was 1243). Borsoka (talk) 02:06, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Hungarian nobility
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On the name Árbóc/Arbuz - Ladislaus IV wiki article
Good Evening Borsoka I'm contacting you to ask why you reversed my edit back from Arbuz to Árbóc. Sadly I cannot access the book used as a source. But the first mention of the name is in the Chronicon Dubense, listed in latin as "Arbuz". Its meaning is watermelon. Maybe we could add (sic) to the quote? Kind regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gibby01 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your query. WP is clearly biased towards secondary reliable sources so we could add the Latin version of the name if a secondary source verifies it. Borsoka (talk) 03:35, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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John Hunyadi
Hi. I saw that you reverted my edits on the page John Hunyadi without explaining why, so I thought I should go through the changes I made and the reasoning behind them.
First of all, as you probably already know, the part about the family's "Wallachian ancestry" has been removed from the lead in the article about the Hunyadi family as per WP:EVASION. The sock puppet account, Bruhsmillah, also actively edited Hunyadi's page before getting banned, although he/she was not the one who initially added this info to the lead.
As per MOS:ETHNICITY: "Ethnicity [...] should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." In this case, Hunyadi's origin is not at all a defining factor of his notability, so I do not see any reason why it should be included in the lead. The issue is already thoroughly discussed in the paragraph about his childhood in a completely adequate and satisfactory way.
Secondly, I removed the wikilink from "Hungarian" as per MOS:OL, but I do not think this needs any futher explanation.
At last, when rewording the sentence, I changed wikilinks to avoid redirects and made it clearly visible which link gets you where, in accordance with the Manual of Style. E.g. hiding "Hunyadi family" behind the word "ancestry" is not too felicitous.
I – of course – will not restore my edits without reaching a consensus first, but I would like to know where I was (or was not) wrong, as this is the first time someone reverted the changes I had made on a page about a historical figure.
Thank you for your reply in advance! :) – Zsovar3 (talk) 02:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- The lead is to be presented in accordance with the main text. He Wallachian origin is quite relevant. Borsoka (talk) 02:48, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
I did not at all say that it was not relevant, but that it does not contribute to Hunyadi's notability. Relevance means that something should be included in the article, notability means that it should be in the lead. Ethnicity is a very sensitive and abstruse topic, that is why it generally should not be included in the opening paragraph. To avoid disruptive editing, which Hunyadi's page has unfortunately seen a lot of, I do not think that an exception should be made. I would be very thankful, if you could provide me another article where this decision had been made, so that I can understand this issue more. Zsovar3 (talk) 03:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- I would be grateful if you could mention your concerns on the article's talk page. By the way, his ethnicity is not mentioned in the lead. Borsoka (talk) 03:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
I knew that you were going to jump onto this. :) I did not state that it is his ethnicity that is included in the lead in this case. With personal issues (e.g. an editing mistake) I always try to seek help and guidance from more experienced users, so that I can become a more useful contributor day by day, that is the reason why I decided to leave a message directly on your talk page. But anyway, I do not see the end of this discussion, my aspirations clearly did not succeed this time. As a leave-taking, I have to thank you for keeping an eye on Hungary-related history articles. I will try to do the same from time to time. Zsovar3 (talk) 03:47, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Golden Bull of 1222
Helló! I would like to inform you that the first monograph on the Golden Bull is published, scheduled for the 800th anniversary, also in English. I find this useful information for you. Reference data for the English version:
- Zsoldos, Attila (2022). The Golden Bull of Hungary. Arpadiana IX., Research Centre for the Humanities. ISBN 978-963-416-305-3.
It will be available in bookstores in the coming weeks and months. For the 800th anniversary, it would be good to upgrade and expand this important article, Golden Bull of 1222, don't you think? --Norden1990 (talk) 19:23, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. You are right we should improve it. Borsoka (talk) 03:17, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
In case you think I was revenge editing here, no I clicked on your userpage and found the article and got drawn in. Its very good, but could use with some condencing of refs..ie claim 1[1] claim 2[1], should be claim1 claim 2[1]. If you see what I mean (very late here so might not be making sense!) Ceoil (talk) 05:20, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- No, I did not think that is why I thanked your edit. All articles can be improved. So again thank you for your edits and suggestions. Borsoka (talk) 05:23, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Great. Am reading through and may tweak a bit more, but of course you are free to revert and no milk spilled. Ceoil (talk) 05:30, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Would you mind giving a pass through Corp Naomh when you get a chance. For phrasing and etc. You can be blunt; I can take the hits. Realise its undercooked and only nearing PR, but hints and steering would be good. Ceoil (talk) 04:12, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- I am not sure I could review phrasing and my knowledge about its subject is extremly limited. Borsoka (talk) 04:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- However its surely within, as you have been (loudly) claiming, within your era of expertise (incl broad tracks of 100-1200 European history. I'm disappointed if otherwise and at at this reaction. Ceoil (talk) 04:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry for disappointing you but I must loudly repeat that my knowledge about the article's subject is below average. I have to accept my own limits. Borsoka (talk) 05:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- A lot of people on the Middle ages article would be surprised to hear this (you gave the impression you know all), given your stubborn and off-putting hubris there. But fine. Can you let me know the limits of your knowledge, so please, so can judge. Also, thanks for nothing. Ceoil (talk) 05:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, people often have wrong impressions about each other. Sorry, I will not list the limits of my knowledge because it would be time consuming. I prefer editing. Borsoka (talk) 05:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry for disappointing you but I must loudly repeat that my knowledge about the article's subject is below average. I have to accept my own limits. Borsoka (talk) 05:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- However its surely within, as you have been (loudly) claiming, within your era of expertise (incl broad tracks of 100-1200 European history. I'm disappointed if otherwise and at at this reaction. Ceoil (talk) 04:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- I am not sure I could review phrasing and my knowledge about its subject is extremly limited. Borsoka (talk) 04:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
GOCE request
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- Thank you for your comprehensive and thorough copyedit. Borsoka (talk) 01:20, 1 April 2022 (UTC)