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== Exapanded Sources ==
In an effort to increase the number of extrinsic, non-calvary chapel sources to this article, I offer a reference

ORANGE COUNTY, A Personal History, GUSTAVO ARELLANO, 2008

"Theological troglodytes worship at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, where the
original Jesus Freaks, transformed by their baptisms in pic
turesque Corona Del Mar State Beach, began preaching the End
Days. If you re compassionate and your bigotry is soft, drive
down to Lake Forest and Saddleback Church, home for the
mega-phenomenon called the Purpose-Driven Life®." p.11

"Saddleback represents the “new” Orange County—remember
that Lake Forest is in South County—but its true heart roars half
an hour away in a campus that looks like a former school, on the
border between Costa Mesa and Santa Ana. Fire! Brimstone! Bad
gays! The End Times are here! From this pulsing abscess springs
forth the Calvary Chapel doctrine of accepting the world’s rejects,
then transforming them into homo-hating zealots—if one of their
thousand or so branches aren’t in your town soon, expect them
next fall.
Or, is this land’s soul inside the fake-antebellum mansion that
serves as the headquarters for the Trinity Broadcasting Network,
the world’s largest televangelism network? HAPPY birthday,
JESUS!" p. 124
135
In 1962, Smith received an invitation from a Costa
Mesa ministry named Calvary Chapel to save its floundering
church. His wife opposed a move from Corona (just across the
Orange County line, where they had just started a church) until
receiving what Smith described in an official church history as a
revelation:
136 GUSTAVO ARELLANO
One night I came home from a Bible study and my wife met me
at the door. She had been crying. She said, “Honey I’ve been in
prayer and God has really spoken to my heart. The Lord has
made it clear that I’m to submit to you. You’re the pastor, you’re
my husband. Wherever you feel God wants you to minister, I must
submit to you . . . though I think you’re crazy to even think about
it. Surely, you’ve forgotten about it by now. But even if you
decided to go, I would have to submit to you. ”
Smith attempted to tell his wife that the Calvary Chapel board
wanted a decision the following day before she interrupted him,
Don t tell me! Don t talk to me about it. I’m not ready to move,
I’m only to submit at this point.”
Submission to Smith and his proxy Jesus would become the
trademark of Calvary Chapel. Smartly, Smith knew that to draw
adherents to his fundamentalist message in the liberal 1960s, he
had to offer more than rigidity. At that time, Orange County was
becoming a haven for the counterculture, much to the consterna¬
tion of the county fathers. In Laguna Beach, acolytes of Timothy
Leary’s created a nonprofit church called the Brotherhood of Eter¬
nal Love, which quickly expanded from teaching Eastern religious
principles into running one ofthe largest drug cartels in the United
States. (I could continue, but this is where I’ll shamelessly plug my
colleague Nick Schou, who wrote an amazing article about this a
couple of years ago and is currently writing a book on the subject.
E-mail him at nschou@ocweekly.com). The hippie movement also
created the creepy cult known as the Children of God, but nowa¬
days called the Family International, best known for introducing
the concept of “flirty fishing” (enticing converts through sex) to
Christendom—it began in Huntington Beach in 1969.
“These long-haired, bearded, dirty kids going around the streets
repulsed me,” Smith admitted in his Calvary Chapel history. “They
stood for everything I stood against. We were miles apart in our
ORANGE COUNTY 137
thinking, philosophies, everything.” But Smith’s wife felt the call
of God to reach out to these kids. And the boyfriend of Smith’s
daughter—a hippie-turned-Christian identified in church narra¬
tives only as John—regaled the couple with talk of his successful
conversion efforts.
Smith asked John to bring him a hippie. John drove down
Fairview Road in Costa Mesa and picked up Lonnie Frisbee, a
Costa Mesa native who had spent the previous years wandering
through California on one long acid trip. When John asked Fris¬
bee if he needed a ride, the hippie refused. “Hey, I’m not going
anywhere, man,” Frisbee replied. “I’m a Christian and I’m just
hitchhiking to witness to whoever picks me up.”
Smith was pleased. “I wasn’t prepared for the love that came
forth from this kid,” he wrote in Calvary Chapel’s 1981 history.
“His love for Jesus Christ was infectious. The anointing of the
Spirit was upon his life, so we invited Lonnie to stay with us for a
few days.”
With Frisbee’s flowing hair and beard, bona fide bells in his
bell-bottoms, and flowers in his hair, it’s logical that The Encyclo¬
pedia of Evangelicalism described him as “the quintessential Jesus
freak.” Frisbee and Smith began baptizing en masse on the pic¬
turesque beaches of Corona Del Mar State Beach. The Jesus
Movement was born, fascinating the nation, receiving prominent
play in Time and network news. The Calvary Chapel movement
became one of the largest Christian ministries on earth and
birthed other megamovements such as the Vineyard Movement
and the Harvest Crusades. Smith also revolutionized Christian
music through Maranatha! music, a record label that allowed non�traditional
Christian singers—rock bands, folksingers, etc.—to
record their songs and mass-distribute to churches. Equally influ¬
ential was The Word for Today, a radio program Smith began in the
1970s that he also recorded on cassette tapes and distributed
across the globe—podcasts before iPods.
138 GUSTAVO ARELLANO
But Frisbee and Smith split just a couple of years into their
hippie ministry over doctrinal reasons; it also didn’t help that Fris¬
bee was a homosexual. Frisbee never returned to the Calvary
Chapel fold, yet Smith gave the eulogy at Frisbee’s 1993 funeral,
held at Crystal Cathedral. Before thousands, Smith compared
Frisbee with a well-known, long-haired biblical figure, “Samson—
a man who knew the powerful anointing of God’s light. What
could have been ... a man who never experienced the ultimate of
the potential. I often wondered what could have been.”
As Calvary Chapel helped spark the rise of New Wave evan¬
gelicalism in the United States...." pp. 135-138

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL27695165M/Orange_County

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavo_Arellano [[User:BrainUnboxed2020|BrainUnboxed2020]] ([[User talk:BrainUnboxed2020|talk]]) 15:54, 21 March 2022 (UTC)


== Fallen Clergy ==
== Fallen Clergy ==

Revision as of 15:54, 21 March 2022

Exapanded Sources

In an effort to increase the number of extrinsic, non-calvary chapel sources to this article, I offer a reference

ORANGE COUNTY, A Personal History, GUSTAVO ARELLANO, 2008

"Theological troglodytes worship at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, where the original Jesus Freaks, transformed by their baptisms in pic turesque Corona Del Mar State Beach, began preaching the End Days. If you re compassionate and your bigotry is soft, drive down to Lake Forest and Saddleback Church, home for the mega-phenomenon called the Purpose-Driven Life®." p.11

"Saddleback represents the “new” Orange County—remember that Lake Forest is in South County—but its true heart roars half an hour away in a campus that looks like a former school, on the border between Costa Mesa and Santa Ana. Fire! Brimstone! Bad gays! The End Times are here! From this pulsing abscess springs forth the Calvary Chapel doctrine of accepting the world’s rejects, then transforming them into homo-hating zealots—if one of their thousand or so branches aren’t in your town soon, expect them next fall. Or, is this land’s soul inside the fake-antebellum mansion that serves as the headquarters for the Trinity Broadcasting Network, the world’s largest televangelism network? HAPPY birthday, JESUS!" p. 124 135 In 1962, Smith received an invitation from a Costa Mesa ministry named Calvary Chapel to save its floundering church. His wife opposed a move from Corona (just across the Orange County line, where they had just started a church) until receiving what Smith described in an official church history as a revelation: 136 GUSTAVO ARELLANO One night I came home from a Bible study and my wife met me at the door. She had been crying. She said, “Honey I’ve been in prayer and God has really spoken to my heart. The Lord has made it clear that I’m to submit to you. You’re the pastor, you’re my husband. Wherever you feel God wants you to minister, I must submit to you . . . though I think you’re crazy to even think about it. Surely, you’ve forgotten about it by now. But even if you decided to go, I would have to submit to you. ” Smith attempted to tell his wife that the Calvary Chapel board wanted a decision the following day before she interrupted him, Don t tell me! Don t talk to me about it. I’m not ready to move, I’m only to submit at this point.” Submission to Smith and his proxy Jesus would become the trademark of Calvary Chapel. Smartly, Smith knew that to draw adherents to his fundamentalist message in the liberal 1960s, he had to offer more than rigidity. At that time, Orange County was becoming a haven for the counterculture, much to the consterna¬ tion of the county fathers. In Laguna Beach, acolytes of Timothy Leary’s created a nonprofit church called the Brotherhood of Eter¬ nal Love, which quickly expanded from teaching Eastern religious principles into running one ofthe largest drug cartels in the United States. (I could continue, but this is where I’ll shamelessly plug my colleague Nick Schou, who wrote an amazing article about this a couple of years ago and is currently writing a book on the subject. E-mail him at nschou@ocweekly.com). The hippie movement also created the creepy cult known as the Children of God, but nowa¬ days called the Family International, best known for introducing the concept of “flirty fishing” (enticing converts through sex) to Christendom—it began in Huntington Beach in 1969. “These long-haired, bearded, dirty kids going around the streets repulsed me,” Smith admitted in his Calvary Chapel history. “They stood for everything I stood against. We were miles apart in our ORANGE COUNTY 137 thinking, philosophies, everything.” But Smith’s wife felt the call of God to reach out to these kids. And the boyfriend of Smith’s daughter—a hippie-turned-Christian identified in church narra¬ tives only as John—regaled the couple with talk of his successful conversion efforts. Smith asked John to bring him a hippie. John drove down Fairview Road in Costa Mesa and picked up Lonnie Frisbee, a Costa Mesa native who had spent the previous years wandering through California on one long acid trip. When John asked Fris¬ bee if he needed a ride, the hippie refused. “Hey, I’m not going anywhere, man,” Frisbee replied. “I’m a Christian and I’m just hitchhiking to witness to whoever picks me up.” Smith was pleased. “I wasn’t prepared for the love that came forth from this kid,” he wrote in Calvary Chapel’s 1981 history. “His love for Jesus Christ was infectious. The anointing of the Spirit was upon his life, so we invited Lonnie to stay with us for a few days.” With Frisbee’s flowing hair and beard, bona fide bells in his bell-bottoms, and flowers in his hair, it’s logical that The Encyclo¬ pedia of Evangelicalism described him as “the quintessential Jesus freak.” Frisbee and Smith began baptizing en masse on the pic¬ turesque beaches of Corona Del Mar State Beach. The Jesus Movement was born, fascinating the nation, receiving prominent play in Time and network news. The Calvary Chapel movement became one of the largest Christian ministries on earth and birthed other megamovements such as the Vineyard Movement and the Harvest Crusades. Smith also revolutionized Christian music through Maranatha! music, a record label that allowed non�traditional Christian singers—rock bands, folksingers, etc.—to record their songs and mass-distribute to churches. Equally influ¬ ential was The Word for Today, a radio program Smith began in the 1970s that he also recorded on cassette tapes and distributed across the globe—podcasts before iPods. 138 GUSTAVO ARELLANO But Frisbee and Smith split just a couple of years into their hippie ministry over doctrinal reasons; it also didn’t help that Fris¬ bee was a homosexual. Frisbee never returned to the Calvary Chapel fold, yet Smith gave the eulogy at Frisbee’s 1993 funeral, held at Crystal Cathedral. Before thousands, Smith compared Frisbee with a well-known, long-haired biblical figure, “Samson— a man who knew the powerful anointing of God’s light. What could have been ... a man who never experienced the ultimate of the potential. I often wondered what could have been.” As Calvary Chapel helped spark the rise of New Wave evan¬ gelicalism in the United States...." pp. 135-138

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL27695165M/Orange_County

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavo_Arellano BrainUnboxed2020 (talk) 15:54, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fallen Clergy

Added Bob Coy, recent fallen clergy. Should list other notable "high visibility" fallen clergy listed as well. Sliceofmiami (talk) 12:19, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As long as they have Wikipedia articles, it's not unreasonable to add them. I moved the new addition to the end of the list based on number and fixed MOS:CAPS. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Fallen clergy" doesn't sound terribly encyclopedic or NPOV. "Former clergy" sounds much more appropriate. 108.34.252.222 (talk) 21:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Moved "fallen clergy" to just "preacher" section. Lonnie Frisbee was a homosexual preacher, unclear whether he was "fallen" or just lived a lifestyle accepted by Calvary. On reflection, fallen is kind of a red herring word. Sliceofmiami (talk) 15:25, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Using common parlance vs. CC insiders parlance

Looks like this continues to be an issue for editors this article. For example:

"The requirements do not include a seminary degree. In accordance with Calvary's interpretation and understanding of the Bible (see 1 Timothy 3:2 and 1 Timothy 3:12), Calvary Chapel does not ordain women or homosexuals as pastors"

This should be changed to:

The requirements do not include a seminary degree. In accordance with Calvary's interpretation and understanding of the Bible (see 1 Timothy 3:2 and 1 Timothy 3:12), Calvary Chapel does not ordain women or openly LGBT pastors.

The word "homosexual" is now used either among conservative evangelicals as their preferred nomenclature or as a clinical term in the sciences. I think it's clear that it's being used here in the former sense. Newspapers, magazines, public communications now use "LGBT" as the most common, accepted word choice. This should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donvduyse (talk • contribs) 15:43, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to make the change. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:30, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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2 separate Calvary Chapel groups?

I'm confused. The lede suggests that there was a schism within this association, but the article is written as if we're speaking of one single association of churches. Is this article going to be about both associations or just one? Ltwin (talk) 16:19, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This Christianity Today article] indicates that the Calvary Chapel Association is the original body that Chuck Smith founded, and that the pastor of the Costa Mesa church left it to organize the Global Network. It seems to me that this article should properly be about the Calvary Chapel Association. The Global Network needs its own article. Ltwin (talk) 16:24, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The only split was when the Association of Vineyard Churches split away over the prominence of the Holy Spirit's role in the church. I do not know if something has happened more recently. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:27, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Christianity Today article I linked to there are now two organizations, the Calvary Chapel Association (which was founded by Chuck Smith) and the Calvary Chapel Global Network (which is a newer organization founded by Chuck Smith's son-in-law and successor to the Costa Mesa pastorate). The split was also covered by Charisma News, in this article. There is also this blog post from a local Calvary Chapel website written in 2019 placing the split in perspective for regular pastors and churches, UPDATE ON THE CCA / CGN KERFUFFLE Ltwin (talk) 23:57, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS, it seems from my reading of the situation most local churches in the Calvary Chapel movement don't want to choose sides and are basically affiliated with both groups but there is a possibility that the leadership may force each church to choose sides at a future date. This needs to be made clear in the article that there is not one single organization claiming to lead the Calvary Chapel movement. Ltwin (talk) 00:08, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Iglesias

I have removed a sentence which appeared to be a scurrilous attack on the four men who accused Iglesias of sexual abuse. Here is a link and quote from an article on the matter, it would be good if someone could summarize it properly. https://www.thedailybeast.com/calvary-chapels-tangled-web

Meanwhile, Smith’s Calvary Chapel Outreach Mission, which at the time acted as the denomination’s central organization, was denying its responsibility in an even more sordid legal battle. In 2011 four young men sued both a Calvary church in Idaho and Smith’s “mothership” in Costa Mesa, Calif., alleging that Calvary leadership had protected a pedophile youth minister who molested them as boys. The suit reportedly claimed that the accused pedophile, Anthony Iglesias, had been previously removed from a Calvary ministry in California and sent home from a Thailand mission trip for sexual misconduct with boys, and that the churches allowed him continued access to children despite knowing his history. One of the accusers alleged that when his parents approached Robert Davis, the senior pastor of the Idaho church, about Iglesias’s inappropriate contact with their son, Davis said, “Yeah, we knew. That’s why we pulled him out of Thailand.”
Iglesias was convicted of molesting two of the plaintiffs, but their case against Calvary was dismissed. (The young men's lawyer, Tim Kosnoff, told The Daily Beast that he would never take a sex-abuse case in Idaho again because the state’s court system is “very hostile to sexual-abuse victims and very friendly to perpetrators and institutions that enable them.”)

Wjhonson (talk) 16:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A one or two sentence summary wouldn't be hard. Do you have a source other than the Daily Beast? It is not considered reliable - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#The_Daily_Beast. Ckruschke (talk) 18:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Quelle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special%3ADiff%2F1078437873