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The song "光点" by Xiao Zhan, several person buy ten of million of copies, it's true but the data is not fear(fair) to others:

From the data here: https://www.zhihu.com/question/390590203/answer/1180696051, The top one bought 10 million copies, the second bought 5.4 million copies, and the third bought 1 million and so on, till the 500th bought more then 1.6 thousands

As calculate, the top 500 fans bought more than half of the totally 38 millions of copies be sold, this data is heavily unusual and maybe faked, and not fear(fair) to other musician — Preceding unsigned comment added by 三马 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The link above is from a forum (zhihu). Wikipedia deserves a better source. If some data is invalid. It is unfair for bots and fans boosting the number of sale of a digital copy. If the sale is real and valid, I would advice to keep the listing and make a note about this controversy. Guinness world record already recorded this sale. (https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/616233-fastest-selling-digital-track-china). So I would say the sale is real and valid and we should keep the listing. According to my observation on Twitter fandom, fans buying multiple copies to boost sale of their idol/favourite singer is a common practice (6ix9ine actually asked his fan to buy multiple https://completemusicupdate.com/article/6ix9ine-urges-fans-to-buy-new-single-four-times-each-following-previous-chart-conspiracy-theory/)

I agree, it is not fair. Maybe we could remove the song from the list for now and waiting for next year's IFPI report..? I'm pretty sure that it will be this year's best selling single in next year's IFPI report, if nearly forty million copies have been actually bought. If so, I would "give up" and accept "光点" as one of the best selling singles ever released. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.62.78.63 (talk) 21:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Those are still legitimate sales regardless if multiples were purchased by one person. If they buy multiple copies, they still paid for them. From memory, his fanclub was purchasing in bulk for international fans. Sach1kopyopyo (talk) 03:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This part: "The top one bought 10 million copies, the second bought 5.4 million copies, and the third bought 1 million and so on, till the 500th bought more then 1.6 thousands" - these are actually groups, not singular people. The top group is actually his fan club, hence you can expect a lot of people inside, and this can be easily seen when checking the song in QQ Music. The sales are valid, and unless there are proof of faked data, this record should stay. Zhihu is an anonymous forum and should not be taken as a credible source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faeline (talk • contribs) 16:55, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter how many they bought as long as they paid for them they are legitimate sales — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.176.85.223 (talk) 15:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because number of sales is a proxy for popularity it makes a difference whether 10 million distinct people buy a song or one person buys 10 million copies of a song. If we simply count units sold then the meaning of the information is changed significantly and the statistic becomes misleading. NEl3QA39JhgNZoJWy0S (talk) 23:09, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The list is : Best-Selling which should be determined by the amount sold in total.If the amount for single buyer purchased was considered,the list would be The list of Most-Buyers.Otherwise how could we know buyers for all the other songs in the list only purchased one copy for their favorite song/singer? Confession1020 (talk) 02:22, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It’s not bought by one person but rather purchased under one name (Fan Club). I myself wasn’t able to direct purchase this song, me being from outside China, hence had to request the my country’s fan club for the purchase. Also please note that it’s a thing in China where instead of purchasing individually, everyone collected money under one account/name (usually the fan club name - and the no. of members exceeding millions) and purchase from that one particular account/name to show the collective support. Khinny1110 (talk) 10:14, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

mass buying doesnt only happen in china but most other singles on the page here are mass bought too. its extremely sinophobic of you to only point this song out of others. besides 77% of the buyers only bought one copy. just because it's from china it doesn't mean it's not legitimate. and i think you have mixed up how sales work, every single sales count even if a person buys 1 or a 100 copies. in otyer countries, its also a very commonly seen matter why is it only a problem when it comes to a chinese artist??? besides according to this legitimate link he has sold 47 million copies http://y.saoju.net/szzj/album/367/ but someone is repeatedly editing it onto 30 million sales pushing him to #3 with a random malaysian blog link when he is #1. i hope you realize how hypocritical it is Petalshowers (talk) 11:09, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

you guys are also ignoring hua chenyu's 好想爱这个世界啊 (i really want to love this world) which sold 22.4m so far. ^[1] it is not even on the list right now. in china mass buying happens but it also happens in other places in different formats like remixes etc so i don't understand why they would not qualify? people usually buy and sign it under a fanbase they like so it doesn't mean that one person bought millions of copies. you could maybe compensate for its price but then that is not relevant because americans etc are not buying on china's music platforms and many western artists are making bundle buys, remixes, and discounts on their singles anyway. it seems that you just don't wanna include them. Giantdeer (talk) 13:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ok Taranomtamjidi (talk) 20:53, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The sales record for Spotlight (光点）should be updated based on this webpage. http://y.saoju.net/szzj/album/367/ The sales figure from the above webpage is updated momentarily by collecting sales records from three Chinese music selling platforms. 47.6 million copies were sold as of January 9, 2021. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qiezhilei (talk • contribs) 05:22, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey everyone. I added the appropriate citations, however for some reason 2/3 of my sites it keeps saying Template:cite in red and not the actual link. I've checked many times and it's the same format I always use with no errors. If anyone could help me fix this problem I'd be truly grateful! :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeaBiscuit159 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Under: Best-selling digital singles

15 million digital copies or more: Number 3: Xiao Zhan's numbers need to be changed. They don't reflect current number of digital sales. QQ music has the total at

44.6 million copies. The reference: http://y.saoju.net/szzj/album/367/ That's as up to date as possible, currently and it's still selling. Wcaddey (talk) 23:18, 9 March 2021 (UTC) Wcaddey (talk) 23:18, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Wcaddey Digital sales will always be selling, just a matter of how brisk the sales is. ~51 million copies as of 12 March 2021 per source. For other English editors: also to note that the saoju.net reference is utilised in the Malay Mail reference. A comparison of the numbers collated on saoju website correspond closely to the numbers on the individual digital music stores. – robertsky (talk) 15:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Synthwave.94: how is saoju.net unreliable under WP:BLOGS/WP:NEWSBLOG? Specifically http://y.saoju.net/szzj/. – robertsky (talk) 18:46, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Robertsky: See Wikipedia talk:Record charts/Archive 17. Synthwave.94 (talk) 18:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Synthwave.94: Hum... I believe while parts of saoju.net may fall under WP:SELFPUB, http://y.saoju.net/szzj/ does not as indications on that subsite show that the process collating the numbers from the various streaming sites are at least semi automated, if not automated. Nonetheless, I recognise the arguments that the database itself may not be authoritative enough as a source. Thanks for pointing out! – robertsky (talk) 19:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Add Eminem to the digital sales list. Eminem featuring Rihanna - Love the way you lie 12.0 million sales Source: https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=Love+the+way+you+lie#search_section Eminem - Lose Yourself 10.0 million sales Source: https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=Lose+Yourself#search_section Eminem - Not Afraid 10.0 million sales Source: https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=Not+Afraid#search_section Straubinator (talk) 19:28, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Ferkijel (talk) 18:55, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Synthwave.94: I apologize if I made a mistake by adding certified singles according to RIAA to the table. Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_certification I was under the impression that the certification is an independent, reliable source for sales under an agreed standard of what "sales" means for digital singles, as the distribution model has changed significantly in the last 10 years between physical and digital songs. Considering this, wouldn't it make sense to add to the article a definition of sales for digital, e.g. excluding streams/certification units? My thought process is the following: sales numbers were actually a good proxy for "revenue generated by an individual song", in a time when physical sales represented a very significant percentage of revenue created by that individual song. In a digital market, where the majority of the revenue a song creates is through streaming, wouldn't it make sense to somehow include it? I could understand if that was correct, but just out of scope for this article. Interesting topic to discuss. Cheers ! Ferkijel (talk) 07:29, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ferkijel: It was already discussed here and as per this discussion, I agree that certifications should not be used as references for sales figures as per WP:SYNTH. I think you're right, however, and it would be a good idea to add more definitions to the article to make it more understandable to newcomers. Synthwave.94 (talk) 13:04, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Synthwave.94:Thank you for the link to the previous discussion. I have no intentions of discussing something that has already been covered, and I'm happy to follow all accepted conventions. The issue with sales numbers (and their definition) may have to be revisited in the future (I don't know if that's short, medium or long-term), as physical sales continue to drop in net numbers, and digital streaming (both free and paid) seem to become the dominant consumption mode. As I said, it's an interesting topic to keep an eye on. Cheers. Ferkijel (talk) 13:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yesterday I updated the sales of Hips don't lie since in its wikipedia page it specifies that it sold 13 million total copies, however in this table it is in 10 million digital sales and I wanted to update it with the correct information. I also did the same with Waka Waka since on their page they awarded 15 million digital copies so I also updated the total sales of that song in this box I hope and can return it to what I edited. Thank you here for both Hips don't lie verification links: https://www.sonymusicpub.com/en/songwriters/741/shakira and Waka Waka's: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/06/235646/shakira-waka-waka-this-time-for-africa-world-cup-song-history-meaning, thank you very much. Alejandro Ortiz 15 (talk) 17:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is another comment that touches the same topic, why on the page of Hips don't lie and Waka Waka they have other numbers but here they downloaded them? I request that you please update the data well, Waka Waka is already at 15 million and Hips don't lie is already at 13 million. Links: https://www.sonymusicpub.com/en/songwriters/741/shakira for HDL and Waka Waka: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/06/235646/shakira-waka-waka-this-time-for-africa-world-cup-song-history-meaning — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderShakifan29 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AlexanderShakifan29 has stated [1] that he is the same user as Alejandro Ortiz 15, but not Bey-have, the author of the following virtually verbatim copy of this request. Meters (talk) 22:10, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey guys!, why on the page of Hips don't lie and Waka Waka they have other numbers but here they downloaded them? I request that you please update the data well, Waka Waka is already at 15 million and Hips don't lie is already at 13 million. Links: https://www.sonymusicpub.com/en/songwriters/741/shakira for HDL and Waka Waka: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/06/235646/shakira-waka-waka-this-time-for-africa-world-cup-song-history-meaning. Please if you can fixed that numbers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ Bey-have (talk • contribs) 01:43, April 5, 2021 (UTC)

Spotlight by Xiao Zhan is the best selling digital single. Hope you’d correct it 117.196.147.126 (talk) 08:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ƒirefly ( t · c ) 19:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2601:240:109:84A4:33:7BFE:67CD:76A5 (talk) 04:05, 13 April 2021 (UTC) "无感(No Sense)" —- Wang Yibo, 2019, Total sales 16,348,731 [1]"光点(Spotlight)" —- Xiao Zhan, 2020, Total sales 48,541,891[2][reply]

2601:240:109:84A4:33:7BFE:67CD:76A5 (talk) 04:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC) "好想爱这个世界啊(I Really Want to Love This World)" -- Hua Chenyu, 2019, Total sales 22,091,996 [3][reply]

2601:240:109:84A4:33:7BFE:67CD:76A5 (talk) 04:33, 13 April 2021 (UTC) “我的世界守则(My rules)” —- Wang Yibo, 2020, Total sales 13,949,530 [4] “说好不哭(Won't Cry)” —- Jay Chou, 2019, Total sales 10,868,233 [5][reply]

2601:240:109:84A4:33:7BFE:67CD:76A5 (talk) 04:44, 13 April 2021 (UTC) “YOUNG” —- Cai Xukun, 2019, Total sales 14,015,255[6][reply]