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Hi, referencing the above discussion, has anyone made the change that swaps the current photo out with [[:File:Jon Ossoff (US Senator from Georgia) 2021.jpg|this official photo]]? If not, can we swap the photo in? I don't mind doing it myself, but wanted to check to see if people are on board with updating it. There shouldn't be any copyright issues here, I think. [[User:Lakshya97|Lakshya97]] ([[User talk:Lakshya97|talk]]) 21:46, 31 March 2021 (UTC) |
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The article says that Jon Ossoff opposes defunding the police, but in his radio interview he said that he supports it
The article says that he opposes defunding the police, but in his interview he said that he supports defunding the police. [1] The article needs to be corrected. Yurivict (talk) 02:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- He doesn't say that. This source, which is a small audio clip of a radio interview Ossoff gave, says he thinks "funding needs to be on the line" but the context is unclear, and it's unclear what "funding needs to be on the line" means. Marquardtika (talk) 03:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- What is the difference? "funding needs to be on the line" means that he is for defunding. Yurivict (talk) 04:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- It's entirely without context. What does "funding needs to be on the line" mean? And the source is insufficient. We have Axios from a week ago saying "Answering a series of questions about his views on specific policies pushed by progressives, Ossoff said he does not support the Green New Deal, Medicare for All, expanding the Supreme Court, defunding police or abolishing ICE." Marquardtika (talk) 16:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- What is the difference? "funding needs to be on the line" means that he is for defunding. Yurivict (talk) 04:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Is a better photo available?
There is something off-putting and unnatural about the current one (to the point that it doesn't resemble how he looks normally). If I recall correctly, the previous one wasn't particularly good either. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 03:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Snooganssnoogans: hi. take a look at the photos on Flickr of him that we could use (there are some CC videos on YouTube but their search filter for licensing seems to be completely non-functional) -- they're all from one event. not many good ones. switched the current one in from this horrible one but maybe one of the others is better. DemonDays64 (talk) 01:43, 4 December 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
- @DemonDays64: Could we replace it with this? This was proposed earlier on this page, but there was apparently a copyright dispute at the time. The file seems to be CC and it looks like the speedy deletion was cancelled. The video it was pulled from looks to be marked as Creative Commons. Do you figure we can use it now? Chillabit (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Snooganssnoogans, DemonDays64, and Chillabit: Reverted, per WP:BRD. In my opinion, the above is quite an awkward picture. While the photo's resolution is high-quality, the facial expression isn't great and the "better lighting" isn't any better; ...the photo especially clashes when next to his opponent's picture on the 2020–21 United States Senate election in Georgia page. Paintspot Infez (talk) 00:15, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- I guess it's subjective, I don't mind the rollback. I uploaded this to the Wikimedia Commons if that'd be better. It's from a more recent interview. EDIT: I guess you may want a ping. @Paintspot: Chillabit (talk) 03:52, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Might actually be a better photo! @Snooganssnoogans and DemonDays64: what do you think? Paintspot Infez (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Paintspot: Ok, I went ahead and changed it to File:Jon_Ossoff_on_Showtime.png. DarthFlappy 23:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Might actually be a better photo! @Snooganssnoogans and DemonDays64: what do you think? Paintspot Infez (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- I guess it's subjective, I don't mind the rollback. I uploaded this to the Wikimedia Commons if that'd be better. It's from a more recent interview. EDIT: I guess you may want a ping. @Paintspot: Chillabit (talk) 03:52, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Snooganssnoogans, DemonDays64, and Chillabit: Reverted, per WP:BRD. In my opinion, the above is quite an awkward picture. While the photo's resolution is high-quality, the facial expression isn't great and the "better lighting" isn't any better; ...the photo especially clashes when next to his opponent's picture on the 2020–21 United States Senate election in Georgia page. Paintspot Infez (talk) 00:15, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DemonDays64: Could we replace it with this? This was proposed earlier on this page, but there was apparently a copyright dispute at the time. The file seems to be CC and it looks like the speedy deletion was cancelled. The video it was pulled from looks to be marked as Creative Commons. Do you figure we can use it now? Chillabit (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Please keep the image to what DarthFlappy has changed it to until his senate office releases his official portrait. I don’t want there to be a pointless edit war to change his photo to another below average photo of him with just a few days until he is sworn into office. ~ Fluffy89502 (talk) 22:48, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
I think the photo on the official Senate website is significantly better. At this point, the Senate still hasn't released an official portrait, but this photo should be updated to be at least in line with the one on his Senate page that his campaign has provided. We can update it again later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakshya97 (talk • contribs) 22:06, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- See many other comments on this talk page, such as the rather frustrated #Stop changing the photo to the one from the Senate website, which explain that that photo is not freely licensed and so can't be used. GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:11, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, but aren't there any better free photos we would be open to changing this to where the lighting is superior? Lakshya97 (talk) 22:15, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Feel free to peruse what we've got in commons:Category:Jon Ossoff and suggest a change if you'd like. Though I'd recommend starting a new discussion if you do so, to garner more engagement—you're currently adding to a discussion that hasn't been active in several months. GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:19, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, but aren't there any better free photos we would be open to changing this to where the lighting is superior? Lakshya97 (talk) 22:15, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Description of father's career
This is typically included in Wikipedia biographies in the early life section more often than personal life where it is appearing on this page. RichardBond (talk) 23:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- A high-quality reference is required per WP:BLP. And please use an edit summary when you edit. --Hipal (talk) 02:59, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Filmography
Adding TV appearances of a politician to his "filmography" doesn't make sense for me. BasileusAutokratorPL (talk) 00:08, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- He is a filmmaker in his real-life job --FideKoeln (talk) 04:45, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
We don't mention TV appearances of pure filmmakers either (I mean the last 2 entries, that is Deadline: White House and New Day). BasileusAutokratorPL (talk) 19:12, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Merge Early Life & Personal Life sections
Can/should these sections be merged? I believe there's an overlap, as his "Personal" section covers who his parents are, which would generally go under "Early". The only "Personal" fact that'd warrant not going under "Early" is his marriage. -- Tytrox (talk) 08:48, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
This has been done. -- Tytrox (talk) 11:15, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Degree
In the UK, a Master of Science degree is abbreviated to a MSc rather than MS. Should the education field in his biobox use MSc given this was awarded by a UK university? Drerac (talk) 11:40, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 January 2021
On the 9th line (office), "Georgia" links to a disambiguation page. It should link to Georgia, not Georgia. BazingaFountain42 (talk) 14:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Done Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:37, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
In the U.S. Senate section, Results subsection it says that Ossoff declared victory on Jan. 6, 2020. That should be Jan. 6, 2021. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:CD40:3DB0:F4E6:BC7C:651B:EAA1 (talk) 15:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Better source for birth date?
If he wins, an official source will be forthcoming, but is there anything better than what we have at present? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:31, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 January 2021 (2)
Jon Ossoff as Senator- elect, some changes with the title need to be implemented. Pavelmarin2006 (talk) 21:09, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Article already says he is senator elect. Please be specific about what changes you are asking for. RudolfRed (talk) 00:47, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
error / typo
Seems this sentence was not finished? "Members of the House are only required to live in the state they represent, but it" 63.237.165.130 (talk) 03:58, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- I removed the "but it". – Muboshgu (talk) 04:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Needs a '.' at the end :) 63.237.165.130 (talk) 04:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ha, good eye. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Needs a '.' at the end :) 63.237.165.130 (talk) 04:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Edit request: incorrect/misleading information regarding Senate Seniority
"Assuming Warnock is not sworn in on an earlier day than Ossoff, Ossoff will become Georgia's senior senator over Warnock by virtue of his last name preceding Warnock's alphabetically.[15]"
- this is not actually correct. Since Ossoff was elected to a full six-year term, he will become the Senior Senator from Georgia, and Warnock will be the Junior.
"Of the two Senators from a State serving at the same time, the one who was elected first--or if both were elected at the same time, the one elected for a full term--is referred to as the "senior" Senator from that State. The other is referred to as the "junior" Senator."
I request to change it to (something like):
"Upon swearing-in, Ossoff will assume the title of Senior United States Senator from Georgia, as he was elected to a full six-year term in the 2021 Georgia Senate Runoff." Crsbcn (talk) 18:57, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Seagull123 Φ 22:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Protocol determining seniority of two senators elected in the same election.
Whoever changed the seniority protocol to say "that it runs alphabetically." Please stop. Alphabetical order does not determine seniority in the United States Senate of two candidates elected to the Senate in the same election cycle, and the previous article used as the source is not factual.
Per official Congressional rules:
"Of the two Senators from a State serving at the same time, the one who was elected first--or if both were elected at the same time, the one elected for a full term--is referred to as the "senior" Senator from that State. The other is referred to as the "junior" Senator.
This is taken from the official House Rules on the house.gov website. Source: CRS Guide to Legislative process in the House — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crsbcn (talk • contribs) 01:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Wouldn't there be the (rare?) case of electing both senators to unexpired terms? In this case, however, Ossoff was running for full term, and he has won that minus 17 days. Notice that the Senate is divided as equally as possible into 3 groups, and for each state, the 2 senators are in different groups. Carlm0404 (talk) 07:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Re: recent edits
Regarding the recent edit changing the reason for Ossoff being senior to Warnock from alphabetical by last name to full term/unexpired term citing the House Rules Committee's website as the source, I could find nothing on either the House Rules Committee's website or Senate Rules Committee's website to support that. On top of that, even though something has been found on a US House website in support of that claim, that is not how the American system of government works because that is not how the British system of government works. In the British system of government, on which the American system of government is modeled, the rules of each chamber of the legislature are binding only on that chamber. Therefore even though the cited source for full term/unexpired term rather than alphabetical by last name is "labeled" CRS (Congressional Research Service), it CANNOT be used for articles relating to the US Senate and the edit that stated thusly MUST be changed back under Wikipedia:V, Wikipedia:NPOV, and Wikipedia:NOR --Bigpoliticsfan (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Discussion
This RfC should be closed as it is premature. There isn't a difficult to resolve debate on this topic. There's one editor who changed some content and was reverted with sound reasoning. Jdphenix (talk) 14:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
(Summoned by bot) (edit conflict) Why is this an RfC? It doesn't look like it's been discussed yet? For most article disputes, RfCs are useful after normal talk page discussion fails to find a resolution or when outside opinions are needed. They should also be framed neutrally rather than argue for a particular position. See WP:RFC. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:38, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Indeed. Bigpoliticsfan, please see WP:RFCBEFORE. This does not mean that you cannot continue discussing the matter, however. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Speaking of edits, what's up with all these photo bombs? 146.115.139.82 (talk) 05:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- What do you mean? GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- I think the IP may be asking why there seems to be lots of requests asking to add an official Senate portrait. It looks to me like most of them are from one editor which may be the reason. Nil Einne (talk) 06:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- I agree this clearly isn't fit for an RfC yet. Also, I don't understand the User:Bigpoliticsfan's point in any real way. Why would a CRS document, which specifically refers to the US Senate, somehow not apply to the US Senate? The OP's point about the House and Senate rules being separate and only binding on the specific house they originate from may be relevant if this was a document that described the rules of the House only but it's not. This is some sort of general guide which refers to the rules in both bodies of Congress. The fact it's on some House website doesn't change any of this. In fact, as the OP noted, it seems to have been prepared by the Congressional Research Service, which means the body preparing it was neither the House nor the Senate but a body working to support the entire US Congress, i.e. including the Senate
, so.So, I don't understand why they even refer to the House itwas thesince it is weirdly the Congress wide/Senate+House the CRS they seemed take issue with in their response, notitthe document being on the House website. Personally I'd greatly prefer better secondary source or two, especially one that actually refers to Ossoff. Nil Einne (talk) 06:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC) 11:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)- agreed. this is a misinterpretation of policy and of the cited sources. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 06:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Add IPA?
The article currently states to not add an IPA directly after Ossoff's last name ("It's pronounced exactly how it's spelled, no need for IPA") but there are multiple ways to say his last name (for example, the "O" at the beginning of his last name could be pronounced as long or short). I propose that IPA should be added. -- Politicsfan4 (talk) 19:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Indeed. It was originally there, but was removed by one editor. There's many ways it could be mispronounced. A reader could easily assume it's pronounced "OH-soff" or "OSS-iff" instead of the correct "OSS-off". Reverted back. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Seniority
Isn't he a junior senator not senior? Chloe0303 (talk) 20:43, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
No — he was elected to a full six year term, which ends in January 2027. Warnock was elected to complete the senate term of Johnny Isakson, which ends in January 2023. By length of elected service Ossoff will be the Senior.
Also, neither of them have even been sworn in yet. Crsbcn (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2021
Lou22929282727272 (talk) 00:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Official senate photo
- The official photo will be added once it is available. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:33, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2021 (2)
Lou22929282727272 (talk) 04:19, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Official portrait https://www.senate.gov/general/resources/graphic/medium/ossoff-jon.png
- Done Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 05:14, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Undone: This request has been undone. This image looks to be a copyvio on commons actually, sorry. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 05:19, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Picture Change
I feel like since Jon Ossoff is now a senator, the picture should be replaced with the picture on the senate.gov website. The current picture makes him just look like an advocate, not a politician. Ltothel (talk) 05:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC) @Ltothel: Not done the licensing on that is clearly invalid and it will be deleted. There will be a much better free image somewhat soon. DemonDays64 (talk) 05:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2021 (3)
Lou22929282727272 (talk) 05:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Official portrait
- Not done: Please stop spamming your edit request. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 05:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2021 (4)
74.108.223.90 (talk) 05:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Add official portrait from senate website https://www.senate.gov/senators/117thCongress/ossoff-jon.htm
- Not done: Please do not continue posting this edit request. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 05:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2021 (5)
There is a sentence in this bio that reads: "Women's fashion magazines such as Vogue have described Ossoff as physically attractive. Vogue in particular compared it to "[a] grown-up Timothée Chalamet"." That should be "...Vogue in particular compared HIM to..." 199.185.130.170 (talk) 05:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Done Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 05:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Stop changing the photo to the one from the Senate website
It (File:Senator Jon Ossoff.png/File:Jon Ossoff Senate photo.jpg) is a copyvio that will be deleted shortly. DemonDays64 (talk) 23:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DemonDays64: The photo keeps being changed, mostly by IPs at this point. Is page protection an option? Lennart97 (talk) 13:19, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Lennart97: good idea, maybe try to get it at WP:RPP please. DemonDays64 (talk) 16:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
- @DemonDays64: Request submitted, let's see what happens. Lennart97 (talk) 16:59, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Lennart97: good idea, maybe try to get it at WP:RPP please. DemonDays64 (talk) 16:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
- Semi-protected for two weeks. Lennart97 (talk) 09:11, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Two things about the lead section
- I'm quite certain that this sentence doesn't make sense:
one of a handful of federal elections surrounding the 2018 wave election in which the Democrat underperformed Hillary Clinton.
Who underperformed... what? What does Hillary Clinton have to do with it? I don't understand, and none of this is mentioned in the main body of the article. - Ossoff being the first Jewish senator from Georgia is mentioned twice in the lead: first
...as well as the first Jewish member of the Senate from Georgia...
and shortly after...and the first Jewish senator from the state.
I'm not sure which of the two mentions to keep and which to remove.
Lennart97 (talk) 00:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Alright, I've taken care of it myself by removing the underperformed Hillary Clinton sentence and the first of the duplicate first Jewish senator sentences. Still curious what Hillary Clinton was supposed to have to do with anything, though. Lennart97 (talk) 13:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- The text was insert by User:Bernspeed here, you could ask them if you're dying to know. Nil Einne (talk) 15:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2021
74.108.223.90 (talk) 03:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Official photo
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Bestagon (talk) 04:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Name
Is he known as Jonathan, Thomas, or Jon? We should say (known as Jon Ossoff) because we this was done elsewhere. Bernspeed (talk) 15:42, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Bernspeed Jon Ossoff is this person's WP:COMMONNAME. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 08:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
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Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2021
Change Senator Ossoff's picture to his official Senate portrait. That is all LeSoleilRoiUSA (talk) 13:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- Not done for now: And what exactly is the file name of this official portrait as updated either here or to commons? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:31, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- I don't see an official Senate portrait at Commons. I did find an image holding itself out as the official portrait, but a quick search shows that the image isn't official. —C.Fred (talk) 18:49, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- The portrait (seen here) has been repeatedly uploaded and deleted because it is not freely licensed. We can't use it. GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Potentially better photo but in a mask
Hi, I found this file just now, and while he's wearing a mask in it, there is much better lighting. Should it be switched? For what it's worth, he has I guess been seen by way more people wearing a mask, as for essentially the whole 2020 campaign masks were and the whole time since he was elected have been, of course, worn by people everywhere and him with as far as I know no exceptions. DemonDays64 (talk) 02:08, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- I think the photo where his entire face is visible should be retained as the lead photo, despite the poorer lighting. GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- How about this photo? It's the one from the Congressional Biographical Directory, so I can't see that there any copyright issues with it.
- Billmckern (talk) 22:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, that is a good one. Also general precedent for politicians is to use their political photo. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Emir of Wikipedia, Billmckern, and GorillaWarfare: if there are no objections, I'll crop that photo and use it (the current cropping is wider than we tend to use). Elli (talk | contribs) 00:56, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, that is a good one. Also general precedent for politicians is to use their political photo. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Billmckern (talk) 22:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- OK then. Billmckern (talk) 02:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, referencing the above discussion, has anyone made the change that swaps the current photo out with this official photo? If not, can we swap the photo in? I don't mind doing it myself, but wanted to check to see if people are on board with updating it. There shouldn't be any copyright issues here, I think. Lakshya97 (talk) 21:46, 31 March 2021 (UTC)