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There have been several RfCs on religion in the infobox:

• 15 June 2015 RfC: RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

This RfC had a clear consensus for removing the religion parameter from the infobox for individuals (living, deceased, and fictional), groups, schools, institutions, and political parties that have no religion, but that RfC was determined by the closing administrator to not apply to nations.

• 17 June 2015 RfC: RfC: Religion in infoboxes of nations.

This RfC had a clear consensus for removing the religion parameter for countries, nations, states, regions, etc., all of which were determined to not have religions.

• 31 December 2015 RfC: RfC: Religion in infoboxes.

This RfC was a response to certain individuals insisting that the previous RfCs did not apply to their favorite pages (schools, political parties, sports teams, computer operating systems, organized crime gangs...) and had a clear consensus that in all infoboxes in all Wikipedia articles, without exception, nonreligions should not be listed in the "Religion=" parameter of the infobox.

• 11 April 2016 RfC: RfC: Religion in biographical infoboxes.

In this RfC, there was a clear consensus to remove the "religion=" and "denomination=" parameters from all biographical infoboxes, not just the ones that call atheism/agnosticism a religion.

There have been four RfCs on this, and all four showed the same overwhelming consensus. All of the RfCs also concluded that you are free to put a section about religion in the body of the article, subject to our usual rules such as WP:V, WP:RS and WP:WEIGHT.

Anyone is free to post a new RfC on this, but there is little or no cchance that the concensus of the Wikipedia community has changed. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:49, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We have a far-left activist and revionnist which refuse to add "Unitary marxist-leninist one-party totalitarian socialist republic" for the political regime. Obviously, it's just a form of negationnism which is quite usual for communists: deny the fact that Democratic Kampuchea was a communist state. It's totally absurd. To be clear: Democratic Kampuchea was a communist state, it's just an objective fact. It is recognize as it, there are no "discussion" about it on this talk page, and on the page about communist state, it is of course and naturaly part of the list. Pol Pot was a member and the leader of the Communist Party of Kampuchea, him and other members have studied in Paris with communist teachers at La Sorbonne. Impossible to deny this fact. Except if we are a far-left negationist! Far-left ideoligists deny the fact that Democratic Kampuchea was communist because the genocide is impossible to hide. So the strategy used by communists it to "decommunize" Kampuchea to say : "genocide of this totalitarian state has no links with communism". Typical revisionism used by marxist ideologists! So if they don't want to have the word "communist" on the infobox, we can add "marxist-leninist", it is the word used by 99% of communist regimes. On 99% of articles about communist/socialist state, we have "Unitary (or federal) marxist-leninist one-party socialist republic" (we can also add totalitarian of course), so there are no reason to do not have these informations about the Democratic Kampuchea. And seriously, it is not important to don't have the word "totalitarian" in the infobox because everybody knows that communism is a totalitarian ideology along nazism and fascism. The absence of this adjective on communist regimes just show the hypocrisy and the political correctness that ruled on wikipedia because some marxists student refuse to accept it and are offended. But deny the fact that Democratic Kampuchea was a communist/socialist state, it is more serious. Nobody deny this, except people like 12Vif12 because he is a young far-left student activist and a member of the "Red Party". There is consensus as the only person supporting the version which removes communist/socialist republic mention is him. He is the one only user who thinks that they alone constitute a "consensus", this is growing tiresome.

Communists denied the reality of communist dicatorship because they don't want to admit that their ideology failed miserably and killed 100 million people. I perfectly know the communist strategy : during a lot of years, they support communist regimes, denied the disaster and the atrocities of these totalitarian states, and when the regimes collapse and the crimes are impossible to hide, they suddenly said : "That wasn't true communism!" or "It's an American-Israeli conspiracy which destroy the communist revolution!". Perfect negationnist rethoric. Communism is totally understand, numbers of historian and economist have demonstrate the abursdity and the horror of this ideology, like nazism and fascism. Pol Pot was a communist, it's an objective and undeniable fact the worst atrocities took place because of a long-held plan to transform Cambodian society along communist lines. This plan was set out in the doctoral thesis of Pol Pot’s colleague Khieu Samphan in 1959, many years before the Vietnam Warspread to Cambodia. Secondly, the Khmer Rouge boasted that “we will be the first nation to create acompletely communist society,” hailed Mao as “the most eminent teacher… since Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin” and drew up a plan to “eliminate the capitalist class” in order to “construct socialism." (quotation from an historian, Karl D. Jackson in Cambodia: Rendez-vous with death, the first source of the article) Thirdly, The Khmer Rouge extermination campaign was not a “response to the violence of the imperial system,” – let alone an “understandable” one – but an attempt to impose a form of Maoism. There is no evidence whatsoever that US intervention in Cambodia was “designed” to bring about the mass extermination of the population by the communists. And for finish, speaking in 1977, State Department specialist Charles Twining expressly declined to give an estimate. When pressed, he merely offered a range of “thousands or hundreds of thousands” of executions. He attributed the deaths from disease and malnutrition not to the US but to the Khmer Rouge, who were “guilty of killing” their people by refusing medicines from abroad. Communists are not logical : they deny the fact that communist regimes were communist, but at the same time, why they spend their time to practice revionism about the crimes and the actions of these regimes?! Totally absurd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.168.239.79 (talk) 15:07, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are there actually editors on this page who still go along with Cambodian genocide denial? This is why I hated the 1970's. -------User:DanTD (talk) 13:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@A22343: your merge draft looks like the best way forward. Klbrain (talk) 23:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 11:03, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]