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Also, neither of them have even been sworn in yet. [[User:Crsbcn|Crsbcn]] ([[User talk:Crsbcn|talk]]) 21:19, 20 January 2021 (UTC) |
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The article says that Jon Ossoff opposes defunding the police, but in his radio interview he said that he supports it
The article says that he opposes defunding the police, but in his interview he said that he supports defunding the police. [1] The article needs to be corrected. Yurivict (talk) 02:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- He doesn't say that. This source, which is a small audio clip of a radio interview Ossoff gave, says he thinks "funding needs to be on the line" but the context is unclear, and it's unclear what "funding needs to be on the line" means. Marquardtika (talk) 03:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- What is the difference? "funding needs to be on the line" means that he is for defunding. Yurivict (talk) 04:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- It's entirely without context. What does "funding needs to be on the line" mean? And the source is insufficient. We have Axios from a week ago saying "Answering a series of questions about his views on specific policies pushed by progressives, Ossoff said he does not support the Green New Deal, Medicare for All, expanding the Supreme Court, defunding police or abolishing ICE." Marquardtika (talk) 16:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- What is the difference? "funding needs to be on the line" means that he is for defunding. Yurivict (talk) 04:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Is a better photo available?
There is something off-putting and unnatural about the current one (to the point that it doesn't resemble how he looks normally). If I recall correctly, the previous one wasn't particularly good either. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 03:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Snooganssnoogans: hi. take a look at the photos on Flickr of him that we could use (there are some CC videos on YouTube but their search filter for licensing seems to be completely non-functional) -- they're all from one event. not many good ones. switched the current one in from this horrible one but maybe one of the others is better. DemonDays64 (talk) 01:43, 4 December 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
- @DemonDays64: Could we replace it with this? This was proposed earlier on this page, but there was apparently a copyright dispute at the time. The file seems to be CC and it looks like the speedy deletion was cancelled. The video it was pulled from looks to be marked as Creative Commons. Do you figure we can use it now? Chillabit (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Snooganssnoogans, DemonDays64, and Chillabit: Reverted, per WP:BRD. In my opinion, the above is quite an awkward picture. While the photo's resolution is high-quality, the facial expression isn't great and the "better lighting" isn't any better; ...the photo especially clashes when next to his opponent's picture on the 2020–21 United States Senate election in Georgia page. Paintspot Infez (talk) 00:15, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- I guess it's subjective, I don't mind the rollback. I uploaded this to the Wikimedia Commons if that'd be better. It's from a more recent interview. EDIT: I guess you may want a ping. @Paintspot: Chillabit (talk) 03:52, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Might actually be a better photo! @Snooganssnoogans and DemonDays64: what do you think? Paintspot Infez (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Paintspot: Ok, I went ahead and changed it to File:Jon_Ossoff_on_Showtime.png. DarthFlappy 23:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Might actually be a better photo! @Snooganssnoogans and DemonDays64: what do you think? Paintspot Infez (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- I guess it's subjective, I don't mind the rollback. I uploaded this to the Wikimedia Commons if that'd be better. It's from a more recent interview. EDIT: I guess you may want a ping. @Paintspot: Chillabit (talk) 03:52, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Snooganssnoogans, DemonDays64, and Chillabit: Reverted, per WP:BRD. In my opinion, the above is quite an awkward picture. While the photo's resolution is high-quality, the facial expression isn't great and the "better lighting" isn't any better; ...the photo especially clashes when next to his opponent's picture on the 2020–21 United States Senate election in Georgia page. Paintspot Infez (talk) 00:15, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DemonDays64: Could we replace it with this? This was proposed earlier on this page, but there was apparently a copyright dispute at the time. The file seems to be CC and it looks like the speedy deletion was cancelled. The video it was pulled from looks to be marked as Creative Commons. Do you figure we can use it now? Chillabit (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Please keep the image to what DarthFlappy has changed it to until his senate office releases his official portrait. I don’t want there to be a pointless edit war to change his photo to another below average photo of him with just a few days until he is sworn into office. ~ Fluffy89502 (talk) 22:48, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Description of father's career
This is typically included in Wikipedia biographies in the early life section more often than personal life where it is appearing on this page. RichardBond (talk) 23:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- A high-quality reference is required per WP:BLP. And please use an edit summary when you edit. --Hipal (talk) 02:59, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Filmography
Adding TV appearances of a politician to his "filmography" doesn't make sense for me. BasileusAutokratorPL (talk) 00:08, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- He is a filmmaker in his real-life job --FideKoeln (talk) 04:45, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
We don't mention TV appearances of pure filmmakers either (I mean the last 2 entries, that is Deadline: White House and New Day). BasileusAutokratorPL (talk) 19:12, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Merge Early Life & Personal Life sections
Can/should these sections be merged? I believe there's an overlap, as his "Personal" section covers who his parents are, which would generally go under "Early". The only "Personal" fact that'd warrant not going under "Early" is his marriage. -- Tytrox (talk) 08:48, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
This has been done. -- Tytrox (talk) 11:15, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Degree
In the UK, a Master of Science degree is abbreviated to a MSc rather than MS. Should the education field in his biobox use MSc given this was awarded by a UK university? Drerac (talk) 11:40, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 January 2021
On the 9th line (office), "Georgia" links to a disambiguation page. It should link to Georgia, not Georgia. BazingaFountain42 (talk) 14:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Done Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:37, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
In the U.S. Senate section, Results subsection it says that Ossoff declared victory on Jan. 6, 2020. That should be Jan. 6, 2021. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:CD40:3DB0:F4E6:BC7C:651B:EAA1 (talk) 15:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Better source for birth date?
If he wins, an official source will be forthcoming, but is there anything better than what we have at present? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:31, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 January 2021 (2)
Jon Ossoff as Senator- elect, some changes with the title need to be implemented. Pavelmarin2006 (talk) 21:09, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Article already says he is senator elect. Please be specific about what changes you are asking for. RudolfRed (talk) 00:47, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
error / typo
Seems this sentence was not finished? "Members of the House are only required to live in the state they represent, but it" 63.237.165.130 (talk) 03:58, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- I removed the "but it". – Muboshgu (talk) 04:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Needs a '.' at the end :) 63.237.165.130 (talk) 04:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ha, good eye. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Needs a '.' at the end :) 63.237.165.130 (talk) 04:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Edit request: incorrect/misleading information regarding Senate Seniority
"Assuming Warnock is not sworn in on an earlier day than Ossoff, Ossoff will become Georgia's senior senator over Warnock by virtue of his last name preceding Warnock's alphabetically.[15]"
- this is not actually correct. Since Ossoff was elected to a full six-year term, he will become the Senior Senator from Georgia, and Warnock will be the Junior.
"Of the two Senators from a State serving at the same time, the one who was elected first--or if both were elected at the same time, the one elected for a full term--is referred to as the "senior" Senator from that State. The other is referred to as the "junior" Senator."
I request to change it to (something like):
"Upon swearing-in, Ossoff will assume the title of Senior United States Senator from Georgia, as he was elected to a full six-year term in the 2021 Georgia Senate Runoff." Crsbcn (talk) 18:57, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Seagull123 Φ 22:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Protocol determining seniority of two senators elected in the same election.
Whoever changed the seniority protocol to say "that it runs alphabetically." Please stop. Alphabetical order does not determine seniority in the United States Senate of two candidates elected to the Senate in the same election cycle, and the previous article used as the source is not factual.
Per official Congressional rules:
"Of the two Senators from a State serving at the same time, the one who was elected first--or if both were elected at the same time, the one elected for a full term--is referred to as the "senior" Senator from that State. The other is referred to as the "junior" Senator.
This is taken from the official House Rules on the house.gov website. Source: CRS Guide to Legislative process in the House — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crsbcn (talk • contribs) 01:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Re: recent edits
Regarding the recent edit changing the reason for Ossoff being senior to Warnock from alphabetical by last name to full term/unexpired term citing the House Rules Committee's website as the source, I could find nothing on either the House Rules Committee's website or Senate Rules Committee's website to support that. On top of that, even though something has been found on a US House website in support of that claim, that is not how the American system of government works because that is not how the British system of government works. In the British system of government, on which the American system of government is modeled, the rules of each chamber of the legislature are binding only on that chamber. Therefore even though the cited source for full term/unexpired term rather than alphabetical by last name is "labeled" CRS (Congressional Research Service), it CANNOT be used for articles relating to the US Senate and the edit that stated thusly MUST be changed back under Wikipedia:V, Wikipedia:NPOV, and Wikipedia:NOR --Bigpoliticsfan (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Discussion
This RfC should be closed as it is premature. There isn't a difficult to resolve debate on this topic. There's one editor who changed some content and was reverted with sound reasoning. Jdphenix (talk) 14:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
(Summoned by bot) (edit conflict) Why is this an RfC? It doesn't look like it's been discussed yet? For most article disputes, RfCs are useful after normal talk page discussion fails to find a resolution or when outside opinions are needed. They should also be framed neutrally rather than argue for a particular position. See WP:RFC. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:38, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Indeed. Bigpoliticsfan, please see WP:RFCBEFORE. This does not mean that you cannot continue discussing the matter, however. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Speaking of edits, what's up with all these photo bombs? 146.115.139.82 (talk) 05:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- What do you mean? GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Add IPA?
The article currently states to not add an IPA directly after Ossoff's last name ("It's pronounced exactly how it's spelled, no need for IPA") but there are multiple ways to say his last name (for example, the "O" at the beginning of his last name could be pronounced as long or short). I propose that IPA should be added. -- Politicsfan4 (talk) 19:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Indeed. It was originally there, but was removed by one editor. There's many ways it could be mispronounced. A reader could easily assume it's pronounced "OH-soff" or "OSS-iff" instead of the correct "OSS-off". Reverted back. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Seniority
Isn't he a junior senator not senior? Chloe0303 (talk) 20:43, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
No — he was elected to a full six year term, which ends in January 2027. Warnock was elected to complete the senate term of Johnny Isakson, which ends in January 2023. By length of elected service Ossoff will be the Senior.
Also, neither of them have even been sworn in yet. Crsbcn (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2021
Lou22929282727272 (talk) 00:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Official senate photo