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Is someone still using the old version? See Special:Contributions/108.74.160.246? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:40, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

That shouldn't be possible since the old one was broken with the new release. It looks like the same problem has reappeared. Fraggle81 (talk) 11:01, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm. There might be one version out there in the wild that still "works" but did not yet have the "forced update" code integrated (its more than 6 months old, now). It's not difficult for me to track down who that IP is and I will message them privately. I will continue to monitor for these cases; and this bug, while unfortunate, should allow us to get everyone to a modern version of the tool. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- Those on the "2013-08-19" release -- and only that release -- might still be affected. I will monitor for such users. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:49, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I've been using TW and Lupin's for a little while to revert vandalism. I currently have 1,098 total edits, with 391 in article space. Several people with fewer article space edits than me have been given rollback rights, but I've been turned down because I haven't been here as long. I can appreciate this viewpoint, but thought I'd ask here for stiki privileges as lupin's is horribly slow and TW doesn't have an auto-refreshing feed. I try to revert obvious vandalism mostly and I do know I've made a mistake or two, but feel I've handled them properly. Either way I appreciate your feedback. Thanks! C1776M^Talk 19:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

@C1776M: --  Done -- Pleasure make sure you've read WP:STiki in depth. Happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 03:59, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

A useful and clever feature of STiki is how it pops up a warning before reverting an established editor. How difficult would it be to do something similar if it detects a particular talk page banner (presence of a certain template)? --— Rhododendrites ^talk |  05:21, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I think this will soon become more than "hypothetical"... but regardless, this is quite straightforward. After all, extensive talk page parsing for existing vandalism templates is how STiki determines which level of vandalism warning to issue. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:40, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Fellow STiki-ers/STikees, I'm looking for a little help with the design of the new barnstar for reaching 250,000 classifications with STiki. I've had a think the past couple of days and come up with very little. The best idea I've had so far was to in some way use the superman S logo and add Tiki to it. (For a rough mock up see here albeit minus the "Tiki").

Andrew has kindly let me choose the design for reaching the 250,000 milestone but as we're a community and we'll hopefully be needing this barnstar quite a few times in the future (certainly for Widr very soon) I'm interested to know what others think. Thanks Fraggle81 (talk) 02:08, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

A STiki triforce? Yaris678 (talk) 14:34, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

STiki is giving me blank diffs, such as this and this. I don't recall this happening before - is this intended behavior? Thanks. :-) Sunrise (talk) 20:55, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

(Added) I see - I'm guessing this that is the null edits bug. Sunrise (talk) 21:29, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Yep, a fix will be included in the next release. West.andrew.g (talk) 23:11, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

First noticed this in a specific revert taken from some posts above "IP still using STiki?". These specific edits, involve two successive vandalisms by an IP but only one of it getting reverted by the STiki user. Is this a usual occurrence? I always thought it rollbacks all the successive edits and have never noticed this happening so far...or has it just got something to do with the IP using the old version? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 11:39, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Wow. STiki definitely shouldn't do that. I guess the second edit happened while the STiki user was looking at the first. In this situation I think STiki should not make any edits and give a "beaten to revert?" message in the "last revert" box. Have you seen any other cases like this? Were they all of the "IP using STiki" type? I suspect that this problem was caused by the WMF change that created the "IP using STiki" error. I also suspect that the fix for that has fixed this too... but it is worth checking. Yaris678 (talk) 11:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

No...I didn't find anything else besides this. The rest of that specific IP's edits were fine, there were many instances of regular multiple reverts. Maybe it might be fixed after all...if no one else noticed this happening under normal usage. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 12:22, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

This appears related to the "IP using STiki" bug. STiki queries for the user's permission set to determine whether they have "native" rollback or not. If a user does not have native rollback, I can do a lot of queries and logic to give a user" software rollback" capability. This user had native rollback, so when reverting edits it was sending the server a rollback token and attempting to do reverts that way. However, because of the bug, the user's login cookie was not correctly set. Thus it was an IP editor (w/o rollback permissions) trying to perform rollback actions. The server's response was "you can't do that; we'll let you do a single revert instead". Problem solved with the fix. West.andrew.g (talk) 14:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Requesting an STiki account merge from Andrew per the discussion on my talk page (my previous account). Thanks! Sunrise (talk) 05:42, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

@Sunrise: --  Done -- 3455 contributions were re-mapped. West.andrew.g (talk) 14:11, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I've noticed this happens quite often but it hasn't caused me an issue until just now. When the edit summary of the shown edit is lengthy such as this one STiki only shows the very end of it, "uses out modded wording/sources (over 100 years old)." So it appears the editor deleted a large amount of sourced data because the language isn't current from sources over 100 years old. As it turns out this was far from the truth. Obviously this specific case isn't going to happen all the time, but others may. I fully admit I should have gone to the article and investigated further and accept that. I'm just trying to find out if there is any way to include the full edit summary? Thanks! C1776M^Talk 20:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Buy a wider monitor (kidding, I think the cut-off comes after a fixed number of characters). More seriously, this will happen sometimes and the ellipsis should make clear when there is more content. One can then use the hyperlinks to navigate to the full diff if it appears like something interesting is going on in longer comments. That panel is already quite complicated from a coding perspective, so I am unlikely to implement something like line wrapping. I'll see if I can't do something with a mouseover that might help in this situation. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 18:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

HAHA thanks! I haven't coded in years and never java so I wasn't sure how complicated it'd be. The simplest way to fix the problem is for me to pay closer attention! Thanks! C1776M^Talk 21:47, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

FWIW, I don't get ellipsis. e.g. on this diff, the GUI just showed as many characters as it could, starting on the right. Yaris678 (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: Time to send out this again?

(t) Josve05a (c) 16:16, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

No. After the last time this happened I authored code into STiki so that I could "break" old/dysfunctional versions remotely and users would receive a similar dialogue to your template when they fired up STiki. Thus, the time and annoyance of mass-messaging is not required. West.andrew.g (talk) 16:18, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Okey, good. I did not know this, I just wanted to be on the safe side. (t) Josve05a (c) 16:23, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Special:MassMessage works if you are an admin or mass message sender; that can be used in future cases where the old STiki versions really are broken. Epicgenius (talk) 16:52, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, if the user gets a message when he/she starts up an old version of STiki, this is not necessary. We can save WMF servers from unnecessary messages like these IMO. K6ka (talk | contribs) 22:47, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Like That is true. Unless it's severe then messaging would be a good option. --///EuroCarGT 23:18, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

How can I privately contact you?... ALittleQuenhi (talk to me) 16:34, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

The "email user" button in the sidebar, or the details are at the bottom of http://www.andrew-g-west.com/ -- I will need the IP you were using. West.andrew.g (talk) 16:36, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

If it would display a portion of the article's recent history, it would be really improve our efficiency. Many instances, viewing the article history helps a lot but it would be time consuming to inspect it everytime. This has been asked before at Wikipedia talk:STiki/Archive 3#Recent history and Wikipedia talk:STiki/Archive 14#Digging into an article.27s history by Yaris. So if there isn't anything I missed, I would like to know Andrew's views on this. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:56, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

What form would this take? When I view an article's history I feel like I am looking at edit comments and ultimately displaying more diffs. What are the data-points patrollers are using in this process? How could STiki's interface accommodate this? I do not object to this feature in principle, but if it is realized it would need to be in keeping with STiki's minimal interface. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:03, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Around 5–10 previous edits displaying the time, editor and edit summary should be enough for us to ascertain whether further inspection is required (like say, seeing many previous unchecked IP edits, lots of reverts or useful summaries). How about the lower-right blank part of the menu? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:45, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm fine with those data points. However, what's "blank" on your monitor might be occupied by metadata information for those with smaller monitors (there is so much logic making that GUI scale right, it makes my head hurt). If this is to be part of the "main" interface, rather than a pop-up window or menu situation, I am going to need to think about where to squeeze it in (and will probably need to make it optional). Is this something that you do for most edits? If it is an occasional matter, I could maybe create an "article history" hyperlink/whatever that when mouse-overed shows a robust display. West.andrew.g (talk) 22:23, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Yup, it's mostly occasional, if something is 'suspicious' enough I do check and it usually ends up in reverting further, finding some other place to fix or sometimes realising that the edit was innocent in that context. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:34, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Tagged as T#039 so I can remember to take action on this in code. West.andrew.g (talk) 04:24, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I always check the article history. I don't want to revert to a vandalised version.

I think a "mouse over" would be great. Maybe it could be something like the following.

num	User	Contribs	Status
1	ClueBot NG	500+	bot
3	216.126.82.11	6	IP
1	Example	63	autoconfirmed

"num" is the number of successive edits made by the user to the article. I think the last three editors before the one shown would be enough in most situations.

Yaris678 (talk) 11:46, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

 Question: So, if a bot is autoconfirmed, will it just say "bot" or will it say "bot, autoconfirmed"? Epicgenius (talk) 12:08, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I guess that, for brevity, we could miss out "autoconfirmed" if a more-difficult-to-get status is also present, such as bot, reviewer or rollbacker. Yaris678 (talk) 12:27, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

What about for people who do not have any permissions? Would it still display "no permissions"? Epicgenius (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I think my preference would be for the "status" to be left blank as this would probably be more obvious. I guess you could do the same for IPs too (in contrast to how I have illustrated the idea above). Yaris678 (talk) 15:33, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Also, would this system be like popups? Epicgenius (talk) 12:49, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I guess so, in that a box of info would pop up when the user hovers over the "Page Hist" link. Or is there something more specific about popups that you have in mind? Yaris678 (talk) 15:33, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I think that the idea where the "box of info would pop up when the user hovers over the "Page Hist" link" is good. Epicgenius (talk) 15:38, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I have the latest release of Stiki(the March 25^th release). The last time I used it was 4-5 days ago. I am connected to the Internet(that's why I am able to post the problem here). I am not able to run Stiki. What can be the cause?--Skr15081997 (talk) 03:39, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I managed to get STiki to open without any problems. I had a bit of a delay logging in, but that it probably unrelated.

So I take it that STiki worked for you when you tried it 4-5 days ago but not now. Are you using the same machine? Has there been a change in security settings? An update to the security software? An update to Java?

Yaris678 (talk) 12:11, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

A suggestion would be to re-download it. The March 25 version of STiki works fine for me. Epicgenius (talk) 13:34, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I am using the same laptop and haven't changed any security settings. I haven't updated Java nor I let it update automatically. I had the problem till 4:00 but when I rebooted the laptop an hour later and extracted the .Jar file from the Zip folder, Stiki opened and worked as usual. I don't know why it didn't open earlier. Thanks anyway.--Skr15081997 (talk) 13:43, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Can't connect to the STiki server for some reason. Anybody else having this issue? --k6ka (talk | contribs) 16:22, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Same here, got the "Unable to connect to server backend" message. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 16:33, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Been down for hours now. Widr (talk) 16:45, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I guess that's why when, earlier today, I started up STiki on my laptop and then completely forgot about it, especially when the STiki windows didn't open and I got distracted by something else. --k6ka (talk | contribs) 17:03, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Yep, same here. I got the error message when trying to launch STiki. Epicgenius (talk) 18:57, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Same error for me as well. Vieque (talk • ctb) 21:18, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Me too! (t) Josve05a (c) 23:14, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Hear, hear; getting the same error message here as well. hmssolent^lambast _{patrol records} 11:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Acknowledged. I will be traveling to Philadelphia tomorrow AM to investigate the problem and have my first hands-on time with the machine in about a year. This will give me the chance to test auto-restart and network restart-strategies that I can't of experiment with over the network. I'm also going to have a chat with my company about the feasibility of them hosting the box (and therefore making it very local to me). While I am sure they aren't opposed to this in theory, firewall, legal, etc. hurdles wouldn't surprise me. Yes, I am aware of WMF Labs et al. but this machine serves a lot of server functions for me outside STiki. Sorry for the inconvenience. West.andrew.g (talk) 20:48, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

WMF Labs isn't the most reliable either - a large number of bot outages (such as CBNG and CBIII outages), along with VoxelBot having a broken editing pattern (it only edits once or twice a day when it's supposed to edit every half-an-hour. Irritating) and bots editing whilst logged out so it trips dozens of edit filters in the process. All caused by WMF Labs troubles. --k6ka (talk | contribs) 22:28, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

True, recently within the past months many bots operated under WMF labs were editing while logged out, they were triggering edit filters and caused curiosity to recent changes patrollers. ///EuroCarGT 23:16, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Ha ha. I would guess that the bots operating logged out were connected to this problem. So not strictly a Labs issue... more of a general issue with how WMF implement changes to their MediaWiki installation.... and bad/reasuring that it wasn't just STiki that was affected. Yaris678 (talk) 19:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- To restate the obvious, the server is back up again. I fooled a bit with the hardware BIOS option for auto-restart and some of the network configurations. I have reporting in place so that I know if the server goes down and these attempts succeed. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 00:38, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if Andrew has completed his trip yet, but STiki is working fine now. Epicgenius (talk) 18:42, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Yep, it's working. Coretheapple (talk) 18:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Working here as well, although I will keep a look out on any outages should they occur again. hmssolent^lambast _{patrol records} 12:44, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

If you are really interested in downtime (although you can't do much to correct it), you can use http://www.uptimerobot.com to watch "armstrong.cis.upenn.edu" and get free and automated email alerts if it does go down (checked every 5 minutes). This is how I know. West.andrew.g (talk) 00:41, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I am receiving a message informing me I do not have the required permissions to use this tool. I have the 1000 edits required to use this tool and have used it before, so I am assuming this is some sort of error. Is this happening for anyone else? Vieque (talk • ctb) 20:48, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

You require rollback privileges to be automatically approved. However, you can be manually approved, and this can serve as your request. Though also what's odd about that, you were seeming to have used it before... http://i.imgur.com/QqkE7XG.png Tutelary (talk) 20:56, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Tutelary is incorrect. You should be able to use STiki because you have over 1,000 edits to article space. This is one of the conditions given at WP:STiki#Using STiki.

Very weird that you can't access it at the moment. Try rebooting your machine. If that doesn't work, my first guess would be that WMF have changed the API slightly so that STiki no longer picks up the correct number of edits... but I could be wrong. Could be some weird hangover from the server reset. Andrew? Yaris678 (talk) 21:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

@Vieque: -- I've just added you to the "special permissions" list so that you can begin using STiki while this bug is being investigated. Nothing about this appears to be server related. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 23:10, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, it works now. Vieque (talk • ctb) 01:04, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Solved and changed in source. The WMF thought it a good idea to change the way pagination is done when counting user edit quantity. Why this wasn't made backwards compatible is a little puzzling. Is there some place where we can see what patches are applied to en.wp and search in particular for "API" fixes? This bug affects the edit count done as a permissions check and sometimes the "don't template the regulars" logic. How common are users with >1000 edits and no rollback? Because they are no longer going to be able to use the tool. I'm inclined to make an emergency release with just this change, with no fan-fare surrounding it. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 05:18, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Just a small thing, I've got over 2500+ edits and I still don't have rollback. (Though I haven't been denied, just waiting on the request atm.) Tutelary (talk) 18:51, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- No need to download unless you can't login in to STiki; but if anyone is complaining of this problem, we can redirect them to the newer version. West.andrew.g (talk) 05:27, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I like to use STiki. Please give me permission to use the tool. Ashok (talk) 06:29, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

@Ashobiz:: Your have very less edits here and moreover, even fewer instances of counter-vandalism. I strongly recommend you to read WP:VANDALISM and WP:Cleaning up vandalism. If you want to be personally taught by another experienced user, you can try the Counter-vandalism Academy. You need more experience in dealing with vandalism before getting this tool. Also please post at the end of the talk page, see the talk page guidelines. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 08:34, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I will prepare myself and let you know. Ashok (talk) 09:20, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

 Not done -- Per reasons of Ugog. Less than 100 edits. However, as mentioned, with good-faith intentions and a little bit of work and patience, gaining STiki permission can be rather straightforward. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:56, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I will concentrate more on what you said. (Assumed to be posted by Ashok, not logged in.) 03:47, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

May I get permission to use this tool? Thanks. Tutelary (talk) 19:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- @Tutelary: -- About 800 edits in total and around 2 months experience doing considerable amounts of patroller work. Some topic-specific controversy, but nothing involving patrol work. This meets the threshold for me. Please make sure you've read WP:STiki in depth and happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk)

Thank you. I've liked the tool so far. Tutelary (talk) 16:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I'd like permission to use the tool as well please. Kev ^(talk) 08:01, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- @KevM: -- This was a borderline case for me. Not a terrible amount of dedicated anti-vandal patrolling, with most of that coming in the last couple of days/weeks. However, this user has been around, albeit sparsely, since 2005 (~370 total mainspace edits). His/her edits demonstrate familiarity with broader wp norms, so I think the STiki bit will be used carefully. Please read WP:STiki in full and happy reverting! West.andrew.g (talk) 12:58, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. This has certainly made it a lot easier for me to keep an eye on the vandals! Kev ^(talk) 20:55, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I'd also like permission to use the tool, thank you. Acalycine^{(talk/contribs)} 01:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Acalycine, I recommend that you take some more time to familiarise yourself with the norms of Wikipedia. I especially recommend that you read Help:Minor edit, as your edit history indicates that you flag something as minor far too often. You are editing at quite a rate so if you read that and then come back in a few weeks we may be in a position to give you permission. If you have any questions about the norms of Wikipedia, I will be happy to help. Yaris678 (talk) 11:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

C -- In keeping with Yaris' opinion. Also WP:CVUA can fast-track STiki access. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 13:15, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

 Resolved I got rollback permission, no matter. Thanks anyway. Acalycine^{(talk/contribs)} 04:07, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to have permission to use the tool as well, please.Ahmer Jamil Khan (talk) 09:07, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- @Ahmer Jamil Khan: -- Not an overwhelming amount of contribs or anti-vandal work, but this user has been around for a while and has consistently adhered to WP norms with politeness, good edit summaries, etc. I am confident he will apply the same good common sense when using STiki. Please read WP:STiki and happy reverting! West.andrew.g (talk) 15:18, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Ahmer Jamil Khan (talk) 10:37, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

(just in case @West.andrew.g: doesn't check GitHub often) -- I have found myself needing three kinds of AGF messages often in using STiki, so I've added them for my own use. I remember discussing it about a year ago and being told more message would be added soon, but that does not seem to have happened so far. Now that the source code is on GitHub, it's easy to adopt (and adapt, as needed) my changes, via this pull request, if you wish. Ijon (talk) 02:31, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Those will be really helpful, especially with some test edits could be accidental, I don't want to revert as a vandal and rather in good faith. ///EuroCarGT 02:40, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia_talk:STiki/Archive_15#More_options_for_AGF_messages. ///EuroCarGT 02:41, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Cool. Did you take the wikicode from Wikipedia:STiki/Good-faith-revert messages? Are all the messages there implemented now? Yaris678 (talk) 18:04, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

No, these are different AGF messages. I will sync up the source code and our wiki page when I get around to a bug-fix and improvement spree. I will also implement the GitHub suggestion that 'Ijon' made regarding the organization of the growing list of AGF messages (prefacing their names with categories). I have to say I was pretty psyched to merge STiki's first source code contribution from a community member. This is precisely why I got the code up on GitHub, and while I realize not everyone can contribute in a technical fashion, our bandwidth for debugging and feature improvements would certainly improve with a couple of devs on board. West.andrew.g (talk) 21:33, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I do realize that I don't have many edits in main but everyone of them is either reverting vandalism or improving an article. I'm an enrollee in the CVUA and I have received training in this tool. I have read WP:STiki, WP:VANDALISM, WP:RCP and any CVUA documentation/training on this tool. I have been vandalized two times for vandalism that I have reverted and both have resulted in a block. I think that I will be able to use this tool with responsibility and maturity. -24^Talk 23:37, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- @Negative24: -- Based on edit history alone I would be unlikely to approve this request. However, this user has done the requisite pre-reading and was very articulate in his/her request. This meets the threshold for me. West.andrew.g (talk) 16:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm sure I'll like the tool. It will come in handy. -24^Talk 18:31, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I've a Wikipedian since 2011 and presently have Rollback privileges which is one of the requirements for using STiki, I also have watched and rolled back various articles that were either vandalized or were unconstructive. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 03:02, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Hey, users with rollback user groups should have access to STiki. Regards, ///EuroCarGT 03:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Yep. @TheGoofyGolfer: Just download the tool and run the executable. Enjoy! Yaris678 (talk) 10:06, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi there! User:Tutelary recommended[1] that I request permission to use STiki. I know I have a low number of article space edits, but I do a lot of vandal hunting, and I think that this tool would help me fight vandalism a lot. --Lixxx235 (talk) 15:04, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I am the user that averred that this user should request permission for STIKI. Albeit given the fact that this user was registered for about 10 months before doing any substantial editing, in the past three days, they've managed to rack up at least 400 edits, and is doing a substantial amount of patroller work with the aid of WP:TWINKLE's placebo rollback function. They issue warnings everytime they revert something, and indeed do make good use of Twinkle's 'good faith' rollback. They seem to be proficient at determining whether an edit is vandalism or is what not. They have my endorsement. Tutelary (talk) 15:12, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Never mind on this request, I got rollback granted. --Lixxx235 (talk) 19:22, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- I had granted explicit permission based on the recommendation before I reached the rollback bit. Happy reverting! West.andrew.g (talk) 17:52, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to have permission to use STiki please. I really want to help out. Thanks,TheQ Editor (Talk) 02:17, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I am absolutely buried under work. Can a STiki stalker check this account for the usual criteria and report back? Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 04:35, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

@TheQ Editor: First of all, I must commend all the great work you have been doing. You're a quick-learner and you've tried working at different areas like GA reviewing and AFCs, which are always backlogged and could do with more willing editors. Unfortunately, you have not done much of counter-vandalism yet, so I would recommend you read-up on WP:VANDALISM, WP:NOT VANDALISM and Cleaning up vandalism. Then you can begin finding and reverting it. After some good number of reverts and decent experience with it, which should be very easy for you, I would recommend you apply for rollback rights--which is a free pass to use STiki. Or you could simply ask here again. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

C -- Permission not yet granted -- In keeping with Ugog's suggestion. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 02:06, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- The user in question has received rollback rights and we welcome him/her to the STiki community. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 01:43, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Can the edit test messages be added to STiki. I don't know if these messages should be categorized under AGF or vandalism. Wikipedia says that test edits should be treated with good faith but the templates are multi-level thus implying the need to be categorized as vandalism. Let me know what you think. Cheers, -24^Talk 22:53, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

They do not need to be applied the "vandalism" case as the lower level templates already accommodate this possibility in their descriptions (I think). I have recently added a "test edit" AGF message in the code (along with several others). Whenever the next release occurs, this option will be available to users. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 04:39, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: So will the messages support the different severity of warnings? It just looked like the AGF warnings were static messages and only vandalism supported levels of warning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Negative24 (talk • contribs)

In the meantime, @Negative24:, you can use the new AGF messages by running this binary I'm providing until Andrew provides a formal new release. It is identical to the latest release except for the added AGF messages, and I've been using it myself. Ijon (talk) 04:39, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll give it a try. -24^Talk 13:15, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

AGF warnings do not have any type of severity associated. Presumably, repeated instances of damaging "in good faith" is a bit of an oxymoron. Moreover, the whole basis of severity escalation is that the hierarchy is standardized and can be parsed by both users and tools. Nothing like that exists in the AGF case. Also, very cool that Ijon is building from source. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 01:49, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I am Lil' Miss Rarity^{Wikia Profile} and I would like to be granted access to the STiki tool. I am an active counter vandalism user on Wikia and I would like to extend that to Wikimedia as well. Lil' Miss Rarity (talk) 01:42, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

C -- Hi Rarity, and thank you for your request. I am not 100% familiar with the Wikia interface, but I am assuming your linked profile is your primary account(?) on Wikia? I think that profile has ~500 edits and walking through your history I wasn't able to spot much anti-vandalism work outside of 10--20 reverts on March 8. Can you point to other work that you have done in this space? Apologies if my naivety is causing me to overlook some aspects of your experience. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 02:22, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

That would only be on one wiki. Wikia has it set up so that there are independent edit counts along with a single global one. You can find my global Wikia edit count here. Be aware that Community Central's main space is locked down so that only site administrators can edit/create pages there so there isn't much vandalism. Lil' Miss Rarity (talk) 12:43, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Even though some RCP has been done on Wikia, Wikia has different policies than Wikipedia. I can see that you have about 30 vandalism reverts on Wikipedia without any warnings given to the user. Perhaps you should review WP:RCP, WP:VANDALISM, and WP:WARN. Cheers, -24^Talk 15:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Completing WP:CVUA would be sufficient for me to grant access. Alternatively, those who grant rollback requests may look more favorably on your Wikia experience (which I do appreciate). It feels a bit silly for me to pass the buck elsewhere, but this is the reality in a highly distributed collaborative system. West.andrew.g (talk) 01:58, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I would like to request permission to use STiki. Although I am a new user, I am now trying to remove and clean up vandalism for the Wikipedia community. This is what I want to do on Wikipedia as I want to make Wikipedia a reliable source of information. I believe this tool will help me to look for vandals on Wikipedia. Warrenkychu (talk) 06:54, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Hey Warrenkychu! I see you only have 28 mainspace edits, seeing more reverts and enrolling in WP:CVUA will be an ideal option. ///EuroCarGT 23:39, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

 Not done - I agree with Euro's analysis on this one. WP:CVUA and a little more experience are needed. West.andrew.g (talk) 04:21, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Sometimes, using STiki, I encounter some edits with no diffs at all. The edits were not constructive but reverting it will not be constructive too. I was thinking of maybe only warning them but not actually revert them. Is that an option? Thanks, TheQ Editor (Talk) 01:49, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

@TheQ Editor: Are you talking about edits with no change made (where the diff boxes don't show up)? In these circumstances I just click innocent. The user shouldn't be warned because it could be that the user was trying to see the page source and then clicked save. I think that a filter should be made. One that doesn't show edits that don't change the page source. -24^Talk 01:55, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

This is a known bug. It is in the table atop this page and called the "null diff" problem. A filter previously existed for this, but was broken when the WMF recently made changes (the same changes that required an emergency breakage and re-release due to screwed up diff coloring, I think). This was an unforeseen side effect that has since been realized. It is among the highest priority of requests, so I have to imagine this will be fixed in the next release. West.andrew.g (talk) 04:24, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Good luck fixing it. -24^Talk 17:41, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I wound love to use WP:STIKI, I have been active in anti-vandalism and I think this tool would allow me to revert edits much faster and easier than using Twinkle rollback and patrolling the recent changes list. 123chess456 (talk) 02:21, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Comment, user has done plenty of anti-vandal work and knows the difference between a good faith edit and vandalism. I would suggest this user to the STiki community.TheQ Editor (Talk) 02:52, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- Permission granted. Welcome and happy reverting. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 02:44, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I'm B14709, and I would really like to use STiki to revert vandalism. I've been using Twinkle, but I still can't fight vandalism as efficiently as I would like. Could someone give me permission to use STiki? B14709 (talk) 19:54, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- @B14709: -- Over 750 main namespace edits, spread over a decent time period, with anti-vandal experience. Happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 23:27, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this is the right place to put this, but I'd like to have either a "handle off STiki" button, which opens the web browser and goes to the next edit, or a full list of AGF messages- the full list used by Twinkle. I find myself restricted in my ability to use only 4 custom messages without automatic headers, so what happens on some reverts is that I use the view-diff link and use Twinkle to actually revert the vandalism, and when this happens, I don't know which button I should press- pass sends to another person for review, the revert ones for obvious reasons, so that leaves the Innocent button, which is what I've been going with, but I'm pretty sure that trains the software to think certain types of edits are good edits. --Lixxx235 (talk) 04:28, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

:@Lixxx235: Actually the documentation encourages users to use the innocent button in this case. This doesn't hurt anything because STiki doesn't learn the way bots do. All recent changes go through STiki (except some edits, like bots). -24^Talk 12:39, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

@Lixxx235:: My recollection of the documentation speaks differently on how to handle this case (and I know how it is done in reality). If you handle a diff outside of STiki, then when you return to the STiki window you should press the classification that best describes the edit. You went off-STiki to handle an AGF case? Press "Good faith revert" when you return to the window. Because an edit was made in the meantime (your edit, off-STiki) whatever action you try will fail due to editing conflicts (i.e., you will not revert your own revert). Your comment/warning will be cancelled because the revert failed. What this does do is correctly record the edit's class in our database. STiki does periodically re-train its models (the "metadata" queue in particular) to affect edit prioritization. The statement "all recent changes go through STiki" is true but misleading; edits are not shown in order. People sometimes pop edits that have been in the queue for over a year. In addition to internal retraining, these human feedback datasets are sometimes shared with vandalism researchers. Every press of the 4 classification buttons is recorded and it is beneficial for them to be accurate. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:55, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

@Negative24:: If you are aware of conflicting documentation, please tell us where it resides. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:57, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: Whoops. Sorry. I was going off of Huggle documentation. Tip: Don't edit at 5:00am. -24^Talk 14:17, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

All this while, I never knew classifying edits which have already been dealt with off-STiki was that important. I did do it occasionally, but at times I wasn't even sure whether it was considered, seeing that edit conflict/check history ("conflict or error check page hist") message. Good to know this, I'll be sure to classify everything from now onwards. Thanks for bringing this up, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 15:38, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion: Rather than the current edit conflict/check history "error" message. Perhaps the message should be something like "No revert, due to edit conflict. The classification is still useful. If you haven't edited the article, check it's history."

Of course, it would be even cooler if STiki could check if the conflicting edits were by the STiki user, but I imagine that is more difficult to implement than changing the text of a message. Yaris678 (talk) 17:13, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- Added as T#040 to tracking table. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 19:14, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Like. Yaris678 (talk) 12:13, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Would it also be possible to use the full list of warning templates used by Twinkle? Thanks --Lixxx235 (talk) 20:23, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

@Lixxx235: - I am not a Twinkle user. What is this list? West.andrew.g (talk) 21:09, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh goodness, this is going to take a bit to write out... give me a few minutes --Lixxx235 (talk) 21:17, 21 May 2014 (UTC). Something else real quick: preferably, when pressing vandalism revert, it'll just do the usual automatic. When you shift-click it, it'll allow you to select a level and type of warning. --Lixxx235 (talk) 21:19, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

 Self-trout You know, I'm a doofus. About 3% of the way through the warning templates, I notice that it's just the ones listed at WP:WARN. I guess it's the interface that would be more helpful to know. Would you mind temporarily installing Twinkle? It only takes about 1 minute to install, then head over to my user talk and try out the warning features. Sorry for the extra work. --Lixxx235 (talk) 21:30, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

STiki is committed to using the "uw-vandalism*" class of templates for all vandalism warnings (i.e., presses of the "revert" button). This is a standard used by CBNG and other programmatic tools. I think when we start to get off into esoteric classifications/hierarchies of wrongdoing, we are just unnecessarily delaying the block/punishment/correction process. Consider that human placed/curated warnings are almost surely in the minority at this point. What I am asking about is; if there might be additional AGF messages that are genuinely useful for STiki users, keeping in my mind that an extremely lengthy list only creates more inconvenience for the STiki user. I don't think we need to be in the business of escalating messages for the AGF cases, either. Though I welcome feedback on all points and do tend to bow to community consensus. West.andrew.g (talk) 21:44, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

As I said, this list would preferably only be visible when a user shift-clicks the revert button. But anyways, to answer that question: my biggest would be uw-unsourced.

Based on how I use STiki, I guess I have some confusion over how this would be used in practice. How would I "know" which level of anti-vandalism warning to issue from STiki interface when viewing a diff? I can't see the users talk page at this point ... why would I not trust the programmatic escalation? If one did already traverse to the user's talk page in a browser window, then one is already well-positioned to fire off the appropriate warning using a tool like Twinkle? I am not trying to be contrary here, this is just doesn't fit my understanding of STiki usage (and I may well be mistaken).

Regarding point #2: Wikipedia:STiki/Good-faith-revert_messages. If the "unsourced" option is not in the current release, it will be in the next one. West.andrew.g (talk) 21:57, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah, I'm stupid. Even forgot my sig above. --Lixxx235 (talk) 22:29, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually, one occasion would be if you wanted to give an escalated warning template immediately, like 4im for outrageous vandalism. --Lixxx235 (talk) 22:31, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

I like this idea. Added to tracking table as T#041. West.andrew.g (talk) 04:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes. I like the idea of implementing this in a way that doesn't add any clutter to the interface. The suggestion given at T#041 of making it an extended click/press and then a menu comes up is a good one. Yaris678 (talk) 15:44, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely. I prefer minimalist interfaces and will continue to try to keep STiki in that style even as its features expand. West.andrew.g (talk) 16:03, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I've been reverting vandalism using Twinkle for a while now, but it would be a lot quicker and more efficient if I could use STIKI. I have the required 200 mainspace edits, and would love to increase this. Thanks. FriendlyCaribou (talk) 17:14, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

If I may venture an opinion: just here for 2 months, vandalism corrections very minor part of editing efforts - maybe wait a while and gather more experience...Super48paul (talk) 07:47, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Actually maybe 4/5 of my edits are vandalism reverts. Recently I've had a go at new page patrol though. FriendlyCaribou (talk) 12:17, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Comment This is a request for permission to use a tool for vandalism reversion. I don't think editing articles in other ways has any bearing on how somebody can use the anti-vandal tools. Novato 123chess456 (talk) 02:55, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

No action needed: Since your recent Request for Rollback has been accepted, you can automatically use this tool now. Happy reverting. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:06, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

@FriendlyCaribou: Apologies for my latency in arriving at this (real life work has been crazy). Glad to hear you got rollback. Happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:38, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Request - Hello, I would like to request permission for the use of STiki. I am a regular user of Twinkle and have dedicated a significant amount of my time to fighting vandalism under both this account and my old one DJAMP4444 (talk) 23:15, 4 June 2014 (UTC).

If I may venture an opinion: most of your <recent> edits are geared towards welcoming new Wikipedians, and very very little related to vandalism fighting. At least that is what a cursory glance at your 'history' reveals. So I would say: get some more experience and do come back some time later..Super48paul (talk) 09:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

reply - It may look like that's all I am doing, but that's the magic of Twinkle: it allows me to welcome a lot of people very quickly. The reason why I spend time welcoming is that sometimes I want a break from constantly fighting vandals and instead welcoming the new generation of editors. Both sides are important in my opinion. DJAMP4444 09:38, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- @DJAMP4444: -- This meets the threshold for me, ~500 edits half of them being in talk space, and sufficient tagging/vandalism/welcoming experience. I don't expect requesters to be full-time anti-vandals, only a history that demonstrates good judgement and adherence to Wikipedia norms. West.andrew.g (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

In the STiki leaderboard, I found out that my username was on it for 2 times. One time, it was TheQ_Editor. The second time was TheQ Editor (without an underscore). I don't check back there often, but I hadn't been using STiki for 2 weeks and just started using it again, and it's just a little annoying. Thanks, TheQ Editor (Talk) 14:35, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I have re-mapped your classifications actions so now all count towards the "spaced" version of your username. This change will be reflected in about 12 hours when the leaderboard refreshes. Thank you for your continued use. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 18:04, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

This might be a good idea, and I'm holding off on filing a feature request because it may have already been denied in some way. I've seen my edits before, and of course I'll classify them as innocent. But is that the proper procedure? Wouldn't it be a conflict of interest to review your own edits? Novato 123chess456 (talk) 01:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm 99.9% sure that I have implemented a feature whereby edits made via STiki will not be displayed to STiki users (and therefore oneself). However, your logic is sound, and I am not sure I prevent a user from being popped edits they've made outside the STiki tool. We should be able to trust people in this situation given STiki's barriers to entry, but it is a bug on principle if nothing else. I've added it to the tracking table as bug fix T#043. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 02:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not so keen on the idea of watching every page I revert through STiki, but it WOULD be good to watch the userpages I template in case they respond. Is there any way to do this either through STiki or otherwise? --— Rhododendrites ^talk |  20:48, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure it has this option, but you can turn off the automatic watchlisting of articles you edit. It's in your preferences panel, under your watchlist. Lookie; http://i.imgur.com/K7uQk6s.png Tutelary (talk) 20:51, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Indeed. Got that one, but thanks. Methinks dividing that option into namespaces would require a script, if possible at all, or otherwise a feature in the STiki software...? --— Rhododendrites ^talk |  21:24, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll note that STiki's login panel *already has* a "never watchlist" option. If that is checked, it will override whatever exists in your preferences. This way, people can continue automatically adding the pages they meaningfully edit to their watchlist, but the rather ephemeral interaction with an article via STiki won't crowd one's watchlist. I like your idea about the user-talk watchlisting (it is quite straightforward to implement), and I've added to it to the tracking table as T#042, likely to take the form of a checkbox below the "never watchlist" one. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 02:34, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Sounds great. Thanks. Will look for it. --— Rhododendrites ^talk |  03:03, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

...Is it just my imagination or was this somehow implemented without a software update? I'm looking at my watchlist after making maybe ten reverts in the last few minutes. My userpage notes are on it. The articles aren't.... (?) --— Rhododendrites ^talk |  03:53, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Rhododendrites, This feature hasn't been implemented yet. It has just been added to the table at #Known Bugs and Feature Requests. Yaris678 (talk) 05:59, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Indeed. I see that nothing has changed -- and I haven't downloaded any new software even if it had -- but nonetheless it's (an undefined "it") is doing what I wanted it to do, which is weird. Hm. --— Rhododendrites ^talk |  06:32, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

I'd be interested in an explanation for this, since I intend to implement something along these lines. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 14:53, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah. I think I got it. "Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist." It happened to be a run of user talk pages for which I was the page creator. --— Rhododendrites ^talk |  21:30, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

I am also OccultZone (talk · contribs · email · block log · global contribs), I haven't used this tool on my main account. Though I would really like to use on this account. Occults (talk) 02:53, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone:@Occults: --  Done -- Seems logical -- West.andrew.g (talk) 14:48, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I am a fairly new member here at wikipedia (previously just browsed articles), and mainly I try to combat vandalism present on the site. I have researched STiki and I believe it would allow me to further achieve my aims. I look forward to hearing from you, QuartzReload (talk) 23:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

You have made only 30 edits so far. I think you need more experience. --Greenmaven (talk) 00:33, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

 Not done -- Just 12 edits to the main namespace fall well short of our expectations. WP:CVUA, perhaps? West.andrew.g (talk) 04:49, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Would like to ask for permission to use this tool. I have more than 1000 edits in the Main articles. Want to use this to detect vandalism better. --TerryAlex (talk) 16:13, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, if you do have more than 1000 edits in the main namespace you don't need to request permission, just download STiki and start using. Melonkelon (talk) 20:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, the first time I opened the program on my desktop,it would not work so I thought I would need the permission first, now it's working. Thanks again.--TerryAlex (talk) 21:28, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- Indeed, just over the automatic threshold at 1027 main namespace edits. Welcome and happy reverting! West.andrew.g (talk) 04:51, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I have been reverting the vandalism by hand, and I would like to use this tool to be more efficient at it. I have read up on all of the rules and I would like a chance to get to work. Banjohunter (talk) 00:41, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

C -- @Banjohunter: -- I am pleased to see you have been doing anti-vandal work. However, you have 150 main namespace edits but just 2 edits inside user talk; it seems you haven't reached/processed our policies surrounding user warnings . Your work shows great promise and good intentions, and I think the folks at WP:CVUA could help you in understanding these specifics. Completion of CVUA and some associated practice would be enough to get you over the STiki threshold. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 04:59, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer to CVUA. I will work through the training and see where it takes me. Almost all of the edits I have reverted are from anonymous IP address users, and I did not realize it was appropriate to put warnings on their pages. Banjohunter (talk) 23:11, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I feel that now I have finally accrued some valuable experience as most of my -albeit limited- edits have been counter vandalism edits. I have now read up on (and attempted to employ) all the correct policies, this includes browsing the WP:CVUA curriculum, reading different Wiki policies (like WP:AGF and WP:Vandalism) and generally just trying to improve my editing. I would like to think that this has been displayed in my contributions to date, especially my more recent ones. Furthermore, as the STiki program says "Well-intentioned novice editors.... adopted by an experienced STiki user", I would like the chance to prove my intentions and further fight vandalism. Thank you in advance, for reading this and for taking the time to reply. QuartzReload (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- @QuartzReload: -- While not a great deal of experience, and much of it coming in bulk over the last couple days, I think you are sincere in your intentions and have done the requisite prior reading. Moreover, there has been no negative feedback from those affected by your prior reverts. Good luck and happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 17:50, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Interesting aside. Vandalism hit rates have been woefully low over the past 1-2 weeks. Some of my internal 'alarms' have even been triggered, suggesting that STiki might be getting gamed by an attacker. Deeper investigation found no such evidence. I think the effects of the typical summer holiday for many educational institutions (which is known to dramatically lower vandalism rates) combined with the global hype over the World Cup are to blame. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 17:50, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Does the STiki can be used with pt.wikipedia.org? Guiwp (talk) 11:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Stiki is made for en.wiki, not any other wikipedia. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 11:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

See T#003 in the tracking table above. If a capable computer scientist comes along and wants to undertake this (probably somewhere between a couple of days and a week's worth of man hours?) and we can crowd-source the localization, I would be more than happy to help advise that effort. It is not something I plan to undertake myself. West.andrew.g (talk) 16:46, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

I have been having a couple of issues launching STiki of late; upon trying to launch, I get the standard error message saying "you may not be connected to the internet" etc. The problem persists even after several attempts and waiting for quite a while; BUT when I download the jar file again, it works just fine for the next day or so, until the pattern repeats. If this had happened a couple of times, I would have blamed my computer, but after four repetitions I can't help but think there may be some issue here......has anyone got any words of wisdom to share? Vanamonde93 (talk) 08:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Nothing to do with bug really, I had seen similar notice when I was using wholly different program. It is due to the issue with comp or laptop, not this software. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 09:51, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm...never experienced or heard of this before, let's see what Andrew has to say. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not ruling out the possibility that my computer is at fault, it just seems unlikely, because it is not an old computer, and I have had no such issues in the past with any other program. Also, the repetitive nature of the problem, which is fixed instantaneously by a fresh download. I've also run virus scans, came up with nothing. Vanamonde93 (talk) 10:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: I completely believe in your description of the symptoms, but STiki in no way "evolves" such that re-downloading the JAR should suddenly fix things. If we arrive at that conclusion, I'll be very surprised. As a diagnosis starting point, the next time STiki gives you the "can't connect" message, try visiting [2] in a web browser. If you are able to get to my homepage, it tells us you are able to reach the STiki server (over port 80, at minimum). Are you always using the same Internet connection and/or wireless network? Some institutions, companies, and ISPs(?) will block the port that STiki communicates over. Let's start with this. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 16:22, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: I'll definitely try that next time I have a problem. What I do know, though, is that I'm using a single (home) connection, with no blocks of this kind; so it is not a switch in the connection that creates or solves the problem. Thanks! Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:13, 27 June 2014 (UTC)