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Michelle Bass was a contestant on a reality show. Nothing more. Big deal. We may as well have every contestant on The Price Is Right listed if we have her. Danny 20:51, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Add Stuart Wilson. Delete both. RickK 21:00, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)
• By the same standards, add Shell Jubin, Victor Ebuwa, Ahmed Aghil, Marco Sabba, Vanessa Nimmo and Kitten Pinder. Participation in a single reality TV show is insufficient to establish notability. (They were all created from and only linked to Big Brother (UK TV series) and each other.) Rossami 23:35, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• In the same vain, perhaps this should apply to the contestants listed in the Big Brother USA article as well. -TonyW 02:25, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

• Make each a redirect to its show. If the contestants aren't mentioned in their shows (but not, please Lord, as links), then we can add them. Around the time these came along, someone did the same for Tiger Woods's new fiancee, but that has been made a redirect, with merge. Geogre 00:50, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Redirect to Big Brother (UK). Say, how come the "vital statistics" aren't in a garishly colored taxobox? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:25, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete all (Michelle Bass, Stuart Wilson, Shell Jubin, Victor Ebuwa, Ahmed Aghil, Marco Sabba, Vanessa Nimmo and Kitten Pinder), do not redirect. Participation in a TV show doesn't make a person notable. Wile E. Heresiarch 05:28, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Clarification: are all of these up for deletion, or not? If so, there needs to be a VFD tag on all of them, this needs to be moved down to whatever date the VFD tag was added to all of them, and they all need to be mentioned in the header. Additionally, any votes made before this occurred which don't specifically mention these articles should not be counted. anthony (see warning) 19:00, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• If they're not notable in their own right, then they shouldn't have an article. Since Wikipedia has a search function, I don't see that we'd need a redirect. However, since I don't tend to read the tabloid gossip pages, I've no idea if these people are still of any interest to anyone, so no comment. Average Earthman 08:39, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Stuart Wilson is a moderately well-known British actor, and I have amended the article to reflect this. The actor should be listed, as there are already several links to the article. Deb 12:06, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. I don't see a problem with having every Price Is Right contestant. anthony (see warning) 15:08, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • But then, you don't see a problem with having an article on every person in the phone book. Wasn't there a ruling a while back about trolling VfD? RickK
    • Yes, there was. It specifically said that I'm allowed to vote here. It certainly didn't say that I'm not allowed to disagree with you. As for every person in the phone book, I doubt you could make a verifiable NPOV encyclopedia article about every person in the phone book. anthony (see warning) 18:54, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • YOUR criteria, as you repeatedly note, is proof of existence. The phone book does that. Therfore, by YOUR criteria, anyone in the phone book is a valid article. RickK 19:13, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)
    • The phone book by no means proves existence. And I never said my criteria is proof of existence. Obviously an article which simply said that someone once lived would not be acceptable. Stop throwing up strawmen. anthony (see warning) 02:06, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Also, Anthony, one is required to explain the reasons for one's vote by VfD guidelines. Serial "keep" votes don't do much good. Geogre 01:51, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • When there's no valid reason to delete, I vote keep. Should I mention "no valid reason to delete" over and over again? anthony (see warning) 02:06, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • Then by that same context, if one were to follow that policy, if there isn't a valid reason to keep, then one should not vote. Just because there is no reason to delete, doesn't mean you should automatically vote to keep. If there is no reason to keep, then one should not vote. If there is no reason to delete, then one should not vote. --[[User:Allyunion|AllyUnion (Talk)]] 22:25, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • No. Articles should be kept by default, not deleted. That's why this page is votes for deletion, not votes for retention. The lack of any reason to delete is in itself a reason to keep. anthony (see warning) 20:24, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Keep, like it or not she is a celebrity in the UK. -- Crevaner 01:13, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• We may as well have every contestant on The Price Is Right listed if we have her. - except that The Price Is Right has four contestants every weeknight for a significant percentage of the year, for 20 years (that's just the Australian version). Big Brother, Australian Idol, etc. have about 12-14 a year. You also don't see many contenstants from The Price Is Right going off and getting careers in the media afterwards do you? Keep. -- Chuq 03:26, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• If she is a celebrity, the article should have something worthwhile to say about her. Delete. Lacrimosus 08:59, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Given that appearance on this particular telly show often leads to notability one way or another I say merge and redirect all of them if they haven't already proved their notability outside this show and until they do. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 12:53, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect the lot of them. They can get individual articles if they end up doing anything individually notable. — Gwalla | Talk 05:35, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• I agree with Chuq that this is absolutely not the same thing as contestants on the Price is Right. I'm not familiar with the British version of Big Brother, being American, but I'd suggest that American Survivor contestants would probably warrant their own articles, and British Big Brother is probably comparable. As a compromise measure, a wiser choice might be to have articles on each season/series of a reality show, that would allow some mention of the various contestants without having to devote whole articles to mostly non-notable ones. john k 06:41, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect (all of them) to Big Brother (or last season article). zoney ▓   ▒ talk 11:32, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Agree with the rest of the keepers.--Dittaeva 15:16, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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