Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Featured log/May 2016
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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:32, 30 May 2016 (UTC) [1].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Cowlibob (talk) 17:39, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Mad Max: Fury Road was a welcome surprise in 2015. Stuck in development hell for many years, upon release it received widespread critical acclaim and numerous accolades which are listed here. As always, I welcome all the helpful, constructive comments to improve the list. Cowlibob (talk) 17:39, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Yashthepunisher (talk) 02:53, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply] |
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Comments from Yashthepunisher
That's it from me. Yashthepunisher (talk) 14:06, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support this nomination. Good luck. Yashthepunisher (talk) 02:53, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Informative and well referenced list. Great work!
- P.S. I'm also having an FLC with this nomination. — Simon (talk) 08:44, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support One of the best films of all time, Mad Max: Fury Road's acolades list is well-written and very informative. It definitely deserves that bronze star. Well done.Krish | Talk 15:27, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just some "stop-by" comments:
Access dates for a lot of references are missing e.g. 15, 17.- A lot of whitespaces. I have fixed one. You can use this script to fix the rest.
Titles for the categories of Dorian Awards are different in the provided source. FrB.TG (talk) 20:11, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @FrB.TG: Thanks for the comments. I think I've sorted them. Cowlibob (talk) 10:08, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No reference supports the film's nods at the Golden Trailer Awards.
- @FrB.TG: I've added references, it was confusing as it was nominated at both the 2015 and 2016 Golden Trailer Awards. Cowlibob (talk) 11:37, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - well referenced & extensive list. Dan arndt (talk) 23:34, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from Krimuk90
Solid list. Just a few issues:
- "Tom Hardy stars as the title character Max Rockatansky who helps rebel soldier Imperator Furiosa played by Charlize Theron rescue five women from the imprisonment of despotic leader Immortan Joe (Hugh Keays-Byrne)". Commas missing.
- Commas missing in the third paragraph before the use of the word "including"
- "It went on to win the most awards at the ceremony with six" Commas missing, again.
- An external links section will help. Krimuk|90 (talk) 09:00, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Krimuk90: Thanks for the comments. I think I've sorted most of them. I'm not sure which external links would be appropriate, any suggestions? Cowlibob (talk) 18:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the IMDB one should do, to be consistent with most other award lists. Krimuk|90 (talk) 03:53, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Krimuk90: IMDb link has been added by Yash. Cowlibob (talk) 18:01, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the IMDB one should do, to be consistent with most other award lists. Krimuk|90 (talk) 03:53, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Krimuk90: Thanks for the comments. I think I've sorted most of them. I'm not sure which external links would be appropriate, any suggestions? Cowlibob (talk) 18:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support after these tweaks. Krimuk|90 (talk) 01:33, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Source review – References are appropriately formatted, just some minor issues:
- Missing date of publication for Ref 42
- Ref 53 needs author and publication date
- Ref 60 and 85 needs author's name
- Ref 63 needs retrival date
- Spotchecked a few sources, (6, 15, 16, 17, 28, 40, 49, 50, 61, 86), couldn't spot any cases of close paraphrasing or misleading info.
- Not an expert when it comes to image licenses; only one is used in the article, but there's a 'Personality rights warning'. Not sure how this affects the FL criteria. Lemonade51 (talk) 15:24, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Lemonade51: Thanks for the source review. Let me know if more is required. Cowlibob (talk) 18:34, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 30 May 2016 (UTC) [2].[reply]
- Nominator(s): SchroCat (talk) 06:50, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Len Deighton is a superlative writer. He produces books on three general areas: military history, cookery and spy/thriller novels; all are well-received by the critics and public alike, with one critic describing him as "a master of modern spy fiction and one of the most innovative writers" of the spy genre. His triple trilogy (and prequel) of Bernard Samson novels is of exceptional high-quality and standing. This bibliography has been separated from the basic (and unsourced) list in the biography, has been brought into line with MOS requirements, and is now fully sourced throughout. - SchroCat (talk) 06:50, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from — Calvin999
- I think some parts of the lead are not needed, such as place of birth. It's good for his bio but we don't need to know this in his bibliography.
- Yep, trimmed. - SchroCat (talk) 17:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Link Bernard Samson
- Thanks - I didn't even know there was an article on him! - SchroCat (talk) 17:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Lol. He is linked in his bio, which has a lead nearly identical to this! — Calvin999 18:01, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- In 1963 Deighton → Shouldn't there be a comma after the date?
- Not necessarily in BrEng (it's an American thing that is gaining ground, but certainly not needed). - SchroCat (talk) 17:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Should Long Past Glory be italicised as it was for TV?
- Yep - now done - SchroCat (talk) 17:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Try to avoid one line paragraphs. Tack it on to the previous to make a fuller, second paragraph.
- Agree: done. - SchroCat (talk) 17:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
— Calvin999 17:27, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that: much appreciated! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 17:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support — Calvin999 18:01, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks - very much appreciated. - SchroCat (talk) 08:12, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"In 1963 Deighton wrote a television script, Long Past Glory; it was the first of two such scripts, although he also wrote a film script, Oh! What a Lovely War (1969)." Something about the "also" and rep here doesn't read well to me. I would write it as "Deighton authored two television scripts, the first of which was Long Past Glory in 1963. Six years later he penned the script to Oh! What a Lovely War. (Providing of course that was when he wrote it too), but you see what I mean.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:35, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Doc. I've gone along the same lines as you but slightly differently. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 07:45, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Definitely looks up to FL standard!♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:57, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks - very much appreciated. - SchroCat (talk) 08:12, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support with a few minor quibbles:
- In the "Miscellaneous" section, is there a reason why you omit the year for Spy Film'?
- "His long-held interest in cookery—his mother had been a professional cook and instilled a love for food and cookery in her son—led to a cookery column in the Sunday newspaper..." -- too many cooks spoil the broth. In this case, prose... Yep, I'm here all week! Three "cookery"s in close succession; four, if you include "cook".
- "He had a varied career..." before he became an author? Has he retired? He's certainly not dead, so why is this in past tense?
- Because the varied pre-author career is in the past - since '62 he has been an author. - SchroCat (talk) 06:34, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Other than those minor points, all good. CassiantoTalk 22:58, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Mnay thanks Cass - your points adopted, aside from the final one. Much appreciated! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 06:34, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Very well-organised list! Krimuk|90 (talk) 03:36, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Many thanks Krimuk90 - much appreciated! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 06:34, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (for now)
- I hate to be a negative nelly, but I'm afraid that I'm not entirely convinced at the moment. The prose portion of this article comes to, by my count, 1500 characters, which would just barely pass it at DYK. It's less than half of the prose portions of similar featured lists (e.g. Roald Dahl bibliography, Agatha Christie bibliography and Arthur Conan Doyle bibliography). Surely there must be more to say about a 50-year writing career than just nine sentences? How has Deighton's work been received critically? Has he won any awards? What about commercially? Which books sold well? He wrote a film script... then what happened? How did the film do? Was the script praised? It sounds like his output has been quite diverse – do we know what inspired him to try so many different writing styles? Writing a study on the assassination of JFK could be quite controversial – was it? What was the reaction? Why did he write it? He authored a Sherlock Holmes story - did the estate of Conan Doyle mind his character being used in this way? Why did he sometimes write under the name "Cyril Deighton"? Similar articles (e.g. Christie and Dahl) went into a bit of biographical information about the authors themselves, but there's none of that in this one. I'm afraid that all this implies to me that comprehensiveness is not as high as it should be.
- Much of what you mention deserves to be covered in the main Deighton article, but has absolutely no relevance on this page. I also have absolutely no idea why you are comparing the lead of a list (where the important information is held in the numerous tables underneath) and a DYK, where the character count is for the entire page: that's a straw man oppose as far as I can see. - SchroCat (talk) 09:16, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- An article must have a minimum of 1,500 characters of prose to meet the DYK criteria, per 2(a) of the eligibility criteria. This article just barely meets that standard. And, to me, if an article can only just meet the DYK standards, then it probably doesn't meet the FL standards, which are a lot higher.
- As above, the entire word count of a DYK has fuck all to do with the lead of a list. This is a straw man argument that has no place here. – SchroCat (talk) 12:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Additionally, as well as the lack of prose and the short paragraphs, there are zero media, there's no use of colour, and the whole thing just lacks visual appeal. I'm afraid this list just doesn't really "look" like what I'd expect to be featured on the front page. Apologies if this makes me sound like an old schoolmaster, but what disappoints me the most is that I usually really enjoy reading and reviewing your articles, SchroCat, and this one just isn't up to your usual standard at all. Frankly, I don't think it's reflective of your best work, never mind Wikipedia's as a whole, hence my oppose. Sorry. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 12:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Another straw man here. 1. There is no requirement for media to be included. 2. There are no free images of either man or his works, so shall we breach copyright restrictions just to make it look pretty, or should we accept the lack of media, like we do with Works of Keith Floyd? – SchroCat (talk) 12:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- No comment on any of the other issues here since I haven't looked at the list closely enough, but SchroCat is right that media usage is not required in an FL. A non-free photo could probably be justified for the main Deighton article, but not for a bibliography page. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:08, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The paragraph in the Miscellaneous section doesn't bear any relation to the table beneath it, i.e. it mentions The Ipcress File, Funeral in Berlin, Billion Dollar Brain, etc., but none of them are listed in a table. It looks like a paragraph written for a completely different section in the article. Could it just be moved up to the lead?
- No: it is where it belongs, and it does bear a relationship to the table. Much of the table is about the film and television scripts produced by Deighton; the paragraph is about the works adapted by others. - SchroCat (talk) 09:16, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, but if the paragraph is a list other people's adaptations of Deighton's works, and the table is a completely different list of Deighton's works (none of which have been adapted at all), then they're completely disjointed as far as I can see, and probably belong in different sections of the page. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 12:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- "A limited edition of 226 copies." No need for the full stop. Same for the note beneath it.
- The Observer needs to sort under O rather than T.
- Works by E. W. Hornung -> Works by Len Deighton (not sure how nobody else spotted this)
A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 08:53, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The typo points all altered. - SchroCat (talk) 09:16, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Source review
- References are formatted accordingly and consistently.
- No dead links, but always handy to archive the web pages just in case something happens. No images so no need to check licenses.
- Crosschecked the BFI sources and found no cases of close paraphrasing/misleading info.
- 'Retrieved dates' for Ref 20, 21 are needed I would think. Lemonade51 (talk) 14:47, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Many thanks Lemonade51. The retrieved dates have been added, and I'll sort the archiving in the morning. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 21:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Archiving now done - thanks Lemonade 51! - SchroCat (talk) 07:53, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC) [3].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Ssven2 and Krimuk|90 (talk) 02:13, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Piku is one of the best Bollywood films of last year, and one of the most awarded ones. This listing of the notable awards and nominations it received is well-sourced and I believe it meets the FL criteria. I have another open FLC at the moment, but that has received 3 supports and has no outstanding comments. Krimuk|90 (talk) 02:13, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: It's a near flawless list but I have one issue. I'd suggest you to provide a source for the plot synopsis. Yashthepunisher (talk) 04:55, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, Yashthepunisher. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated. — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 05:40, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Ssven2, the BH source doesn't say much about the plot. You can add a review instead. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:44, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Yashthepunisher: Added HT review. — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 06:00, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Ssven2, the BH source doesn't say much about the plot. You can add a review instead. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:44, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, Yashthepunisher. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated. — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 05:40, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Pavanjandhyala (talk) 10:59, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply] |
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— Pavanjandhyala (talk) 02:27, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support. All my concerns are met by the nominators. Good job! Pavanjandhyala (talk) 10:59, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from —Vensatry (talk) 06:50, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply] |
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Comments from Vensatry
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Source review (random spotchecks included)
All sources appear reliable and are well formatted. However, I'm a little concerned about the usage of Sulekha.com in a FL. Random spotchecks reveal no copyvio. —Vensatry (talk) 09:19, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Vensatry: Is this one from Merinews ok? — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 10:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the Sulekha one is better than Merinews. Krimuk|90 (talk) 15:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- How about this source? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:01, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Many thanks Pavan!! :) Vensatry, all your comments have been addressed now. :) Krimuk|90 (talk) 16:04, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- How about this source? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:01, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the Sulekha one is better than Merinews. Krimuk|90 (talk) 15:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, meets the standards —Vensatry (talk) 06:50, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the thorough review, Vensatry. :) Krimuk|90 (talk) 07:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Vensatry: Thank you, Vensatry. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated. — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 07:32, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the thorough review, Vensatry. :) Krimuk|90 (talk) 07:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:32, 22 May 2016 (UTC) [4].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Famous Hobo (talk) 05:15, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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So my last FLC didn't go so well, and I'm hoping this one will even things out. There's not a whole lot to say about the list, aside from the fact that I used List of awards and nominations received by Leonardo DiCaprio as a role model (as you might quickly notice). It also received a Direct nomination in it's peer review, which I didn't even know was a thing, so that's pretty cool. Anyway, that's all I have to say, so have at it. Famous Hobo (talk) 05:15, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Comments by FrB.TG
I am happy to see a list based on DiCaprio's accolades for obvious reasons. Note that I have also done spot check for sources. In addition I see that you are an amazing source reviewer. I will be forever in your debt, if you spot check my ongoing FAC, which is all it needs now. -- Frankie talk 16:23, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support after an exhaustive review. Note that I have also done spot checks in the above comments. -- Frankie talk 16:18, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Why are there 2-+ sections instead of 1-2 tables? Nergaal (talk) 20:11, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean why is this table formatted with each award getting its own section as opposed to what List of awards and nominations received by Laurence Olivier does? If that's the case, then that's personally how I like it. That's also how the DiCaprio list formats it, which I used as a model. If that's not what you were asking, then my apologies. I'm still "relatively" new to lists, and the formatting is still pretty annoying to understand. Famous Hobo (talk) 21:18, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, there are 20+ sections which seems a bit much. Is there a guideline in WP:TV suggesting that this format is better than one with merged tables? At some point I worked on List of accolades received by House which has the lesser-importance awards merged. Nergaal (talk) 17:52, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Nergaal: Sorry for the late response. While I do agree that the section do become extreme after a while, that's just how most awards and nominations lists are formatted. For example, for actors (Leonardo DiCaprio, Vidya Balan, Priyanka Chopra) and musicians (Taylor Swift, John Legend, Lady Gaga). In particular, Lady Gaga has over 75 sections. As for WP:TV, I couldn't find anything regarding formats for awards lists, but then again I may not have looked hard enough. Famous Hobo (talk) 15:09, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I was going to ask the same question. I'm not sure why personal awards lists have evolved like that - specifically actors. When I worked up List of awards and nominations received by Gene Roddenberry (nominated elsewhere) it didn't even occur to me to split the table up. Admittedly that's a much shorter table - but I have started messing around with List of awards and nominations received by William Shatner which features a much longer table (also doesn't have the military/civilian table split that the Roddenberry one does, also it's very much under development, I need to fix those red links and replace all the inherited IMDB citations). It's the same with film/TV - for some reason the lists use one big table, and the TV ones use multiple little tables. I'd say it was the multiple years, but certainly with the couple I did, the trailers and home media releases caused awards to be won in years other than the year of theatrical release. But like Famous Hobo says, I don't think there is a specific design used and it'll simply be up to what any individual editor thinks is the best representation of the information. Miyagawa (talk) 18:44, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- If we're going of personal preference, then I really like this style where each award is given it's own section. While it may be a nightmare for mobile users, I like this design because it specifies what each award is about, and with individual sections, a user won't have to scroll through dozens of random awards to see a specific award, like the Tony Awards or the Academy Awards. By the way Miyagawa, nice subtle promotion of your FLC, I can do a source review if you need one. Famous Hobo (talk) 16:51, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. I hadn't intended to hint, but I figured what the hey, I might as well drop it in there! Miyagawa (talk) 19:08, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- If we're going of personal preference, then I really like this style where each award is given it's own section. While it may be a nightmare for mobile users, I like this design because it specifies what each award is about, and with individual sections, a user won't have to scroll through dozens of random awards to see a specific award, like the Tony Awards or the Academy Awards. By the way Miyagawa, nice subtle promotion of your FLC, I can do a source review if you need one. Famous Hobo (talk) 16:51, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I was going to ask the same question. I'm not sure why personal awards lists have evolved like that - specifically actors. When I worked up List of awards and nominations received by Gene Roddenberry (nominated elsewhere) it didn't even occur to me to split the table up. Admittedly that's a much shorter table - but I have started messing around with List of awards and nominations received by William Shatner which features a much longer table (also doesn't have the military/civilian table split that the Roddenberry one does, also it's very much under development, I need to fix those red links and replace all the inherited IMDB citations). It's the same with film/TV - for some reason the lists use one big table, and the TV ones use multiple little tables. I'd say it was the multiple years, but certainly with the couple I did, the trailers and home media releases caused awards to be won in years other than the year of theatrical release. But like Famous Hobo says, I don't think there is a specific design used and it'll simply be up to what any individual editor thinks is the best representation of the information. Miyagawa (talk) 18:44, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Nergaal: Sorry for the late response. While I do agree that the section do become extreme after a while, that's just how most awards and nominations lists are formatted. For example, for actors (Leonardo DiCaprio, Vidya Balan, Priyanka Chopra) and musicians (Taylor Swift, John Legend, Lady Gaga). In particular, Lady Gaga has over 75 sections. As for WP:TV, I couldn't find anything regarding formats for awards lists, but then again I may not have looked hard enough. Famous Hobo (talk) 15:09, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, there are 20+ sections which seems a bit much. Is there a guideline in WP:TV suggesting that this format is better than one with merged tables? At some point I worked on List of accolades received by House which has the lesser-importance awards merged. Nergaal (talk) 17:52, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean why is this table formatted with each award getting its own section as opposed to what List of awards and nominations received by Laurence Olivier does? If that's the case, then that's personally how I like it. That's also how the DiCaprio list formats it, which I used as a model. If that's not what you were asking, then my apologies. I'm still "relatively" new to lists, and the formatting is still pretty annoying to understand. Famous Hobo (talk) 21:18, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Looks pretty good so far. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:46, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- I'll now support. Good work. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Famous Hobo: Perhaps invite one editor to comment? I really wouldn't want to see this archived due to lack of participation. FrB.TG (talk) 21:39, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 23:16, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply] |
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- Support – Now that the issues above have been taken care of, I'm convinced that the list meets the FL criteria. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:16, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Source review
- Spot checks were done above
- Formatting: clean
- Anything missing: looks good!
Source review passed, promoting. --PresN 14:01, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 22 May 2016 (UTC) [5].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:56, 28 March 2016 (UTC) & Vensatry (Talk) [reply]
This list was created by Vensatry. I made further required changes and now I feel it meets the criteria's. Thank you. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:56, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments Support
- The lead needs some polishing.
- "She received further critical acclaim and box-office success..." - I don't think "further critical acclaim and box-office success" works here, as the article doesn't talk about any prior success
- "Her roles in films like Ajnabee, Raaz and Jism established her as a sex symbol of Hindi cinema." - The artcile never talks about "her roles", maybe a brief description of what roles she played to be deemed as the "sex symbol".
- "Basu's next releases in 2004 like Aetbaar, Rudraksh, Rakht and Barsaat (2005) proved" - I think the phrasing doesn't work with 2004 in the begining.
- Fixed, hopefully. —Vensatry (Talk) 09:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- She later acted in Prakash Jha's crime drama Apaharan (2005), and the multi-starrer comedy No Entry (2005), for which she received a Filmfare Award for Best Supporting Actress nomination. The film emerged as a financial success, grossing ₹750 million (US$11 million) at the box office." - The first sentence would work better as two separate sentences, as this here suggests that the Filmfare was for both movies, Also separating the sentences would add clarity for the box-office sentence as well.
- " thriller Dhoom 2. It was one..." - thriller Dhoom 2, which was one. Just a suggestion though.
- Not quite sure what you mean. —Vensatry (Talk) 09:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I meant merge the two sentences. NumerounovedantTalk 09:48, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Should be okay now. —Vensatry (Talk) 16:44, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- "Two years later she collaborated again with Abbas-Mustan for Race (2008),..." - a reason of why the articles jumps two years might work better.
- She had just one major release in 2007. —Vensatry (Talk) 09:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- "... and made her debut in Bengali cinema" - New sentence maybe?
- "Horror queen" - "Scream queen", particularly because the article concurs with your facts, listing Basu as India's scream queen.
- Being an attributed claim, we cannot say that unless the sources claim that way. —Vensatry (Talk) 09:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- As I mentioned you can find it the Scream queens article itself with a footnote that substantiates the claim. Scream queen is the better suited term here. NumerounovedantTalk 09:48, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Seems like that's a self-proclaimed title. It's better to have the popular opinion. —Vensatry (Talk) 16:44, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I find the issue rather trivial but still if you just Google Bipasha Basu Scream Queen you'll find enough reliable source to support the claim. NumerounovedantTalk 18:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- As I said earlier, it seems like a made up claim. I can see many sources that say 'Scream Queen' is a self-proclaimed title. —Vensatry (Talk) 18:49, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I find the issue rather trivial but still if you just Google Bipasha Basu Scream Queen you'll find enough reliable source to support the claim. NumerounovedantTalk 18:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Seems like that's a self-proclaimed title. It's better to have the popular opinion. —Vensatry (Talk) 16:44, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- "roles as conjoined twins, thus becoming the first actress in Bollywood to perform such a role." - I am not sure what such a role means.
- Wikilinked already. —Vensatry (Talk) 09:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- What I meant was that it sounds odd referring to conjoined twins aa "such a role". Try re-phrasing maybe? NumerounovedantTalk 09:51, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see a problem here. 'Conjoined twins' is a role. —Vensatry (Talk) 16:44, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- " as a host of the horror show Darr Sabko Lagta Hai." - maybe mention the network where the shows airs, but again just a suggestion.
- I also feel a couple of important roles are missing from the Lead, most notably Omkara which was (one of them if not it) biggest critical success for Basu I assume? Rest the list looks good! NumerounovedantTalk 06:14, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- You're quite right. Added a bit about the film. Thanks for the comments. —Vensatry (Talk) 09:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Left my final comments. NumerounovedantTalk 09:48, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Good work! NumerounovedantTalk 19:18, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Support from Dharmadhyaksha
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I will start with sources review.
Before i continue with verification of roles, i want it clarified. Are the sources used not for the full name of the role? Is the original film assumed to be a source here, just like how we do in film articles where not all character names are present in print. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:00, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comments from Krimuk90
- "successful stint in modelling". Too informal.
- "she made her Telugu cinema debut through" ==> You don't make a debut through a film, but a debut in/with a film.
- "first commercial success through ". Again, wrong usage of "through"
- I'm sure there's a better way of talking about her role in Raaz than using "victimised wife" in quotes.
- "won her her first Filmfare Award for Best Actress nomination" One doesn't win a nomination.
- "...kill her own husband" own is redundant.
- "...won her a Filmfare Award for Best Performance in a Negative Role nomination". As above.
- "multi-starrer comedy". Informal. Please use "ensemble"
- "She portrayed Bianca..." No she did not. She portrayed a role based on Bianca.
- "Her frequent association with horror films has earned her the title of "Horror queen" in Bollywood" Sudden change in tense, and why is the h in horror capitalised?
- "dual roles as conjoined twins". Grammatically incorrect.
- "...thus becoming the first actress in Bollywood to perform such a role". Poor phrasing. Please tweak.
- Lack of consistency in the rows column of the table. Her dual roles in Dhoom 2 are separated by a "/" but her roles in Alone are not.
- Did she portray dual roles in Ajnabee as well, or was it one character with two names? Please specify in the footnote.
- Be consistent in using "Unknown" or "–" for roles in which she is unnamed.
The list is well-formatted and well-organised, but the prose will definitely benefit from a major copy-edit. Krimuk|90 (talk) 06:10, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Krimuk90: The prose concerns have largely been addressed. I've not seen any of her films, so will leave the table and point #4 to Yashthepunisher. Thanks for the comments. —Vensatry (Talk) 07:35, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Krimuk90: All fixed now. I have removed the "victimised wife" bit because even her husband was the "victim" of a ghost in the film. We don't need to mention every role specifically. Thanks for your comments. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:40, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The prose really wasn't at par with the FLC requirement, so I've given it a major copy-edit. Good luck! Krimuk|90 (talk) 14:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Krimuk90: All fixed now. I have removed the "victimised wife" bit because even her husband was the "victim" of a ghost in the film. We don't need to mention every role specifically. Thanks for your comments. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:40, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from Pavanjandhyala
- Having watched Takkari Donga, i can confidently say that it is not a drama. It can either be a western film or an action film. Choose one among the two which you find apt.
- Done
- "The following year, she starred opposite John Abraham in the erotic thriller Jism, in which she played a seductive wife who indulges in an extramarital affair and plots to kill her husband". A comma is missing in this sentence.
- Done.
- I think people collaborate for films, not in. Please rephrase this for Race.
- Done
- Race an action thriller? I don't think so. Thrills and stunts don't make an action film a thriller. :)
- I kindly disagree here. If you see the film, there is a twist in every 20 minutes. Also there is enough "action" to justify the aforementioned genre.
- I've seen Race. One cannot call a Sherlock Holmes' story an action type just because chases and fights happen. Similarly, a (regular) James Bond film cannot be called a thriller because there are twists. Anyways, instead of fighting or going off-topic, let the co-nominator Vensatry answer this. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Removed the genre. It was just my opinion. Yashthepunisher (talk) 16:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I've seen Race. One cannot call a Sherlock Holmes' story an action type just because chases and fights happen. Similarly, a (regular) James Bond film cannot be called a thriller because there are twists. Anyways, instead of fighting or going off-topic, let the co-nominator Vensatry answer this. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Ditto with Dhoom 2.
- Done
- "Basu's portrayal of an escort earned her a Best Supporting Actress nomination at the 51st Filmfare Awards"—I suggest to rephrase it as a nomination for the Best Supporting Actress at the 51st Filmfare Awards ceremony.
- Done
- "....earned her another Filmfare Award for Best Actress nomination"—I suggest to rephrase it as another nomination for the Filmfare Award for Best Actress.
- Done
- "In 2015, she took on dual parts of conjoined twins—a first for an actress in a Bollywood film—in the horror film Alone"—Can you find a better way to rewrite this? close repetition of film and "she took on" sounds a bit informal.
- I don't think so that Basu's cameo had a name in Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi.
- Fixed.
- Please provide a valid reliable source for the first footnote.
- Fix ref no. 65. It is now redirecting to CNN-News18.
— Pavanjandhyala (talk) 12:54, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Except for the three issues, I have fixed all of them. I'll leave the unresolved ones to @Vensatry:, because I can't perform them from my "not-so-smart phone". Thank you for your comments. Yashthepunisher (talk) 15:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Yash, the remaining three issues are addressed by Vensatry. Now, since all my concerns are met, i support this list's promotion to FL. Good job overall, and wish you the best! Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:52, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 19 May 2016 (UTC) [6].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Mattximus (talk) 15:46, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Costa Rica has well defined local governments and thus was rather easy to make a list. I completely overhauled the list to bring it up to the standards of recent lists of local municipalities. Interestingly, the list is already featured in Norwegian, and I used some of the sources from there to improve this list. I look forward to addressing any comments and concerns. Mattximus (talk) 15:46, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support well-referenced for what it communicates and lavishly illustrated; good use of tables LavaBaron (talk) 08:19, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeCommentsWhat is a canton? A link to Canton (country subdivision) should be addedDoneseveral county representatives - county? what county?DoneThe map of cantons should be paced on top to be more visible- Removed the map entirely, it has no labels so it serves no function at all.
- What is the original order of cantons in the list?
- Age of canton, I could alphabetize by province if that would be more logical?
- Alphabetizing by canton is the most logical to me.
- Now that I've added the dates, the order now seems a bit more logical. It is also the exact order that the statistics agency uses in Costa Rica, changing to alphabetization would make it much more difficult to update the list with new data, meaning this list will be out of date quicker if we alphabetise it. I am still willing to do this if you think it will be better, but I do have reservations thinking long term.
- Alphabetizing by canton is the most logical to me.
- Age of canton, I could alphabetize by province if that would be more logical?
Where are the administrative centers? Norwegians have them- There are no administrative centres, what the Norwegian article is listing are the "head" district (cabecera), but not overly important to include. It most cases they will all be dead links as English wikipedia does not have pages for most of these districts.
- There are some numbers in front of the cantons in Norwegian wiki? What do they mean? Why are they missing here?
- They are numbers given by the government of Costa Rica, I believe based on the time since incorporation. It does not add anything to the list, and functionally meaningless.
- Date founded and the number of districts in each canton should be added, as well.
- Date founded added... as for the number of districts, since there is no link (English wiki does not have district pages), I'm not sure how meaningful this number will be... it doesn't add any information to the table. Would you still think it necessary?
- Just to clarify: you are asking that I add 5 (!) more columns to the list? The head district, the sq mi, the government administration number, the number of districts, the date founded. Surely we can't include everything and have it still fit horizontally on the page. It may be possible to add one or two of these suggestions, but not all, the formatting won't permit. Which columns do you feel are necessary for you to strike your oppose?
- The number of districts and the date founded are a must.
- Took a while but I've added the dates.
- The number of districts and the date founded are a must.
- Land area should have both numbers: km2 and sq mi Done
- Added it, but now the table is almost too wide, it still fits with normal resolution however.
- No, there is no sq mi
- Should be, maybe refresh the page?
- I purged a couple of times, I don't see it
- It is definitely there, I tried on multiple computers. It's in the final column, in brackets beside the sq km.
- the population density has it, but not the land area.
- Oops, yep I see it, working on that now.
- Done, all units are now converted to miles.
- Oops, yep I see it, working on that now.
- the population density has it, but not the land area.
- It is definitely there, I tried on multiple computers. It's in the final column, in brackets beside the sq km.
- I purged a couple of times, I don't see it
- Should be, maybe refresh the page?
- No, there is no sq mi
- Added it, but now the table is almost too wide, it still fits with normal resolution however.
Population density sorts incorrectlyDone
Cheetah (talk) 00:20, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your review. I have addressed all your concerns above. Please let me know what more can be done to gain a support. Mattximus (talk) 01:00, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support – With the fixes complete, I believe this meets the FL criteria. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:02, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Dudley
- "new cantons may only be created if they have at least one percent of the republic's total population" What is the population?
- "cantons in Costa Rica have approximated the same function as municipios" approximately would be better than approximated.
- "Each municipality president produces a number of working commissions that deal with issues specific to the municipality." A president producing a commission sounds odd - maybe "appoints".
- No change needed but is there a reason Costa Rica had censuses 11 years apart? Dudley Miles (talk) 19:41, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your review. I have made all changes. As for the census, I have no idea. Costa Rica is not the most prolific census takers, they have only had 10 censuses in the past 150 years (1864, 1883, 1892, 1927, 1950, 1963, 1973, 1984, 2000, 2011). To be honest, even the 2011 data I've put into this table is getting to be a bit out of date, but it's the best we have right now. Mattximus (talk) 22:15, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. A first rate list. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:54, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Source review by Imzadi1979:
Stumbling here from my FLC, I thought that I'd go over the sources used in the article. Each source appears reliable, so no issues there. However, there are a few formatting comments.
- Can you provide translated titles? The various citation templates offer
|trans-title=
and that would allow those of us who don't speak Spanish to better evaluate the sources without running the titles through a translator. - Footnote 6 doesn't need "www.tse.go.cr" listed as the website name.
- Footnotes 7 and 8 have "p. s. 6." and "p. s. 11." I'm unaware of what the "s." is supposed to mean, but the "p." means page. Perhaps you should be using
|at=
to manually format the in-source location being cited? The standard symbol for a section, for instance is "§", so if that's supposed to be section 6,|at=§ 6
would be more appropriate.
Another comment, but there's a huge block of white space above the table to the left of the photos. I'd suggest using <gallery>...</gallery>
formatting to hold the photos, either above or below the table, to eliminate that unattractive blank space. Otherwise, things look good at this point. Imzadi 1979 → 05:56, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for looking it over! I made the first two changes will get to the others shortly. As for the images, I believe this is a screen resolution issue, you must be on a small screen? Is there way that I can shrink the column widths so that even users on small screens can view properly? Otherwise I'll take your suggestion of a gallery. Thanks again! Mattximus (talk) 00:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok fixed all your suggestions. Just the small screen/white space formatting issue remains. Any thoughts? Mattximus (talk) 00:36, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I have a widescreen display, but I do not use my web browser at full width. Using a gallery above or below the table is still the best solution. You have a group of photos in one place, so you should treat them as such, which is a gallery. I get the same issue on my phone and tablet when I'm not using the Wikipedia app. Imzadi 1979 → 08:38, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done, does it look better now? Mattximus (talk) 13:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Much better. :-) Imzadi 1979 → 13:48, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done, does it look better now? Mattximus (talk) 13:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I have a widescreen display, but I do not use my web browser at full width. Using a gallery above or below the table is still the best solution. You have a group of photos in one place, so you should treat them as such, which is a gallery. I get the same issue on my phone and tablet when I'm not using the Wikipedia app. Imzadi 1979 → 08:38, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok fixed all your suggestions. Just the small screen/white space formatting issue remains. Any thoughts? Mattximus (talk) 00:36, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delegate note: it looks like Crzycheetah edits only sporadically, and is unlikely to return to formally support or oppose this nomination, though all of their concerns were addressed. I've looked over the list, and I'm going to go ahead and promote. --PresN 03:03, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): MASEM (t) 01:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list as to match ongoing work to get the Guitar Hero Good Topic back in line with this new release (which I thought we had not have to worry about again after 2013... :) The format follows previous GH song lists, but addresses the complication of the GHTV not-DLC model this game uses. The game and GHTV aspects have been out long enough to know how to approach the lists correctly. MASEM (t) 01:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Review by PresN
Recusing myself as a delegate to review this list.
- Not totally convinced that we need these lists, but 11 FLs later the point is a bit moot
- "the first game in the series to support the 8th generation video game consoles, the PlayStation 4, Wii U, and XBox One" - should be a colon, not a comma
- "The game was released worldwide on 20 October 2015." - you use month-day-year in the tables
- "Guitar Hero Live will not use traditional downloadable content to expand the game" - "does" not use
- "playing songs currently presented on the channel in curated fashion" - in "a" curated fashion
- "overlaid atop live-action footage" - redundant; "shown atop" or "overlaid on"
- "watching the reaction to the crowd and their bandmates" - "the reaction of"
- "...used in previous Guitar Hero games, Guitar Hero Live adds songs to the game via Guitar Hero TV" - game name needs italicization, and earlier you only italicized the Guitar Hero and not TV; be consistent
- "The week after their introduction, these songs are then added to the on-demand playlist, and then after another week, enter into the GHTV's rotation of songs." -> "The week after their introduction, these songs are added to the on-demand playlist, and after another week enter into the GHTV's rotation of songs."
- "The on-disc soundtrack for Guitar Hero Live considered weak." - fragment
- "Griffin McElroy of Polygon found most of the songs were from 2000 or later" - found? That implies a bit more investigation than was really required; maybe "noted"
- "The GHTV mode has mixed opinions" - Don't think the mode is the one with the opinions
- "The GHTV mode has mixed opinions, with most reviewers praising the concept, with the presentation of the channels were highlighted as hearkening to the heyday of MTV, and giving the player the ability to explore new music, but critical of the use of microtransactions and premium shows, disallowing players to play specific tracks at any time they wanted without cost." - two phrases in a row starting with "with", and 6 clauses in total, not all grammatically aligned. Maybe "The GHTV mode has resulted in mixed opinions, with most reviewers praising the concept. The presentation of the channels was highlighted as hearkening to the heyday of MTV, and they were praised for giving the player the ability to explore new music. Some reviewers, however, were critical of the use of microtransactions and premium shows for disallowing players to play specific tracks at any time they wanted without cost."
- Redirects that don't seem intentional: 8th Generation, XBox One, and First-person perspective in the lead; Bangarang, Kellin Quinn in the first table; Chop Suey!, Higher Ground, and I Have a Problem in the second table; Stache, Atreyu, Alice In Chains, Undone - The Sweater Song, The Cowboy's Christmas Ball, Dragonforce, and The Day I Tried To Live in the third table; Games Radar in reception; Gamespot in references.
- Rowscopes are missing on tables, and colscopes fro tables 2 and 3
- Table 3: Nasty" is missing the opening quote, The Bots is sorting under The, N/A is sorting under 'N', The Champions is sorting under The
- Shouldn't this be in the "Guitar Hero soundtracks" cat like the other song lists, not the parent "Guitar Hero" one?
- Did not review references, as that's now a separate review type
- That's it! If this review was helpful, consider optionally reviewing my World Fantasy Convention Award FLC down below. --PresN 20:52, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Masem: reminding you of this. --PresN 15:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @PresN: Many of the above were taken care of by @Harryhenry1: in this diff but I've gone through clean up the rest (dates are all now dmy, fixing the table sorting, etc.) The only question I have is about the rowscope, if this is needed here. As each row its its own entry, and the rows don't have header cells to them, it's not like the example given in the MOS, so I don't think it's needed here. (Colscopes have been added though). --MASEM (t) 20:58, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, now that I look at the tables again, the reason it doesn't seem like the rows have headers is because the "header" cell is actually the second one- the song title. The year shouldn't be first; the original year the recording is from certainly isn't the most important item about the track release. It should really be after the artist column.
- That said, I don't know what MOS example you're looking at, but my understanding is that rowscopes are needed even on basic tables- @RexxS: as an ACCESS member, what is your opinion? Are rowscopes appropriate on the tables in this list? --PresN 21:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I did relook and I think I misread something, so I would agree that rowscope is probably needed and that means that the song name should be first (the most unique ID on the list). I just want to make sure before flipping the column orders around. --MASEM (t) 21:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict)
- I think that adding rowscopes and marking cells as headers for the song titles would improve this list. That would allow a screen reader to navigate down the column "Band", for example, and hear: "45, Band, Broken Tide"; "The Anthem, Band, Yearbook Ghosts"; etc. At present, they are likely to hear: "2012, Band, Broken Tide"; "2002, Band, Yearbook Ghosts", etc. which seems less informative to me as 2012 is by no means unique to identify the song described on that row. If you changed:
- | 2012 || "[[45 (The Gaslight Anthem song)|45]]" || {{sort|Gaslight Anthem|[[The Gaslight Anthem]]}} || Alternative || Sounddial: Castle Stage || Broken Tide
- to:
- | 2012
- ! scope="row" | "[[45 (The Gaslight Anthem song)|45]]"
- | {{sort|Gaslight Anthem|[[The Gaslight Anthem]]}} || Alternative || Sounddial: Castle Stage || Broken Tide
- (which would be needed to mark up the row headers, while leaving the rows in the same order - I'd prefer song title first, of course), that would result in the song titles becoming boldface and the background darkening slightly as we do for headers by default.
- I can't comment on whether that change in display would concern the principal editors, but I do think the improved accessibility is worthwhile. Hope that helps. --RexxS (talk) 21:59, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I've gone ahead, moved the Year columns to after Song and Artist, and then subsequently added rowscopes for the song name. --MASEM (t) 23:10, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- That's certainly an improvement and would work for screen readers, so that's much better. The only quibble is that Wikipedia is supposed to produce HTML5. Unfortunately in HTML5, the data cell (td) (| in wiki-markup) doesn't possess the rowscope attribute, so we no longer have valid HTML5. As I indicated earlier, the correct markup would use an exclamation mark:
! scope="row" | ...
which produces a header cell (th), but I guess you don't like the bold effect it produces. Anyway, it will be years before the invalid HTML catches up with us, so I won't quarrel over it. --RexxS (talk) 23:49, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]- I could use the "!" markup and then add style to "revert" the box to bg-less and boldless - would that be a problem MOS wise? --MASEM (t) 23:51, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- No problem at all with the MOS or for accessibility - just the sheer effort of making the changes. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 01:05, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I will be regexing this sometime today, tomorrow or the day after, once I figure out the right CSS to do so. I've got a script that enables regexing in the normal WP editor that I used today to do the rowscopes. --MASEM (t) 01:12, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The standard background-color for wikitable.table is #F9F9F9, so you'll probably want something like
! scope="row" style="background-color:#F9F9F9; font-weight:normal;" | ...
- HTH --RexxS (talk) 20:03, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]- Got it, that should be it. --MASEM (t) 04:44, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Now Support. --PresN 14:32, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Got it, that should be it. --MASEM (t) 04:44, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The standard background-color for wikitable.table is #F9F9F9, so you'll probably want something like
- I will be regexing this sometime today, tomorrow or the day after, once I figure out the right CSS to do so. I've got a script that enables regexing in the normal WP editor that I used today to do the rowscopes. --MASEM (t) 01:12, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- No problem at all with the MOS or for accessibility - just the sheer effort of making the changes. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 01:05, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I could use the "!" markup and then add style to "revert" the box to bg-less and boldless - would that be a problem MOS wise? --MASEM (t) 23:51, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- That's certainly an improvement and would work for screen readers, so that's much better. The only quibble is that Wikipedia is supposed to produce HTML5. Unfortunately in HTML5, the data cell (td) (| in wiki-markup) doesn't possess the rowscope attribute, so we no longer have valid HTML5. As I indicated earlier, the correct markup would use an exclamation mark:
- I've gone ahead, moved the Year columns to after Song and Artist, and then subsequently added rowscopes for the song name. --MASEM (t) 23:10, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @PresN: Many of the above were taken care of by @Harryhenry1: in this diff but I've gone through clean up the rest (dates are all now dmy, fixing the table sorting, etc.) The only question I have is about the rowscope, if this is needed here. As each row its its own entry, and the rows don't have header cells to them, it's not like the example given in the MOS, so I don't think it's needed here. (Colscopes have been added though). --MASEM (t) 20:58, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Masem: reminding you of this. --PresN 15:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Consistent with the rest of the series. (must confess that I helped fix some of the requests above, and even added an image to fit the 5b criteria). igordebraga ≠ 04:51, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I can take a look at this list, if you wouldn't mind reviewing my FLC.
Lead
- Link backwards compatible
- The lead is completely unsorced, but it appears as though all the unsorced statements are sourced later in the list
- I haven't looked at any of the other Guitar Hero song lists, but it feels as though the lead doesn't go too in depth about the songs themselves, and instead is about the features of the game. Were the developers looking for specific types of songs going into this game? And since this list includes a reception section, shouldn't that also be in the lead? If those aren't standards for these types of lists, then ignore this comment
Actual songs
- No real comments here, moving on
Reception
- Again, no real comments, though were those really the only reviews that discussed what they thought of the songlist? That's one of the biggest parts of a music game, so I feel this section could be increased. However, if those were the only reviews that talked about the songlist, then so be it.
References
- Ref 6 is missing the date
- Ref 8 is missing the author and date
Overall, a solid list. Once my issues are addressed, I'll support. Famous Hobo (talk) 21:53, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I will try to get to these in the next day or so. A couple points: I think I can find a handful of sources about on-disc song selection, if I remember correctly, so can address that. On the reception for GHTV, I didn't see much about the actual song selection (they were dissatisfied on the model itself), but I can relook for those. Part of the issue is that since you can't really pick and chose songs like the main game, it's hard to judge those. --MASEM (t) 01:23, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Famous Hobo: I have fixed the points above, and added some language and references that describe the developers' ideas on selecting songs for both parts of the game, and adding some comments from reviewers on song selection in the GHTV part of the game. --MASEM (t) 18:27, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Gah, I thought I watchlisted this page. Guess I didn't, my apologies. Anyway, I like the additions, it was nice to finally learn why they decided to include a Katy Perry song in this game. Alright, I'll give my long overdue Support. I can also do a source review if you need it. Famous Hobo (talk) 14:51, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Famous Hobo: I have fixed the points above, and added some language and references that describe the developers' ideas on selecting songs for both parts of the game, and adding some comments from reviewers on song selection in the GHTV part of the game. --MASEM (t) 18:27, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I will try to get to these in the next day or so. A couple points: I think I can find a handful of sources about on-disc song selection, if I remember correctly, so can address that. On the reception for GHTV, I didn't see much about the actual song selection (they were dissatisfied on the model itself), but I can relook for those. Part of the issue is that since you can't really pick and chose songs like the main game, it's hard to judge those. --MASEM (t) 01:23, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Famous Hobo: --PresN 21:25, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Review from MPJ-US
Trying to drum up some reviews for my own Featured List Candidate (NWA World Historic Welterweight Championship) and I figured the best way to get it to give.
- General comments
- Okay so the article needs to decide if the first part of the article is a lead in the WP:LEAD sense or not - it has no references at all which would be okay for a lead section, but it also has several facts that are not listed elsewhere, which not okay.
- "went into a hiatus" should be "went on hiatus"
- "songs on disc" should be "songs on the disc", that's a mistake that's repeated several times
- "expand the game, and is not" does not need the comma
- I would assume that "Guitar Hero TV" is an online, web based option? the article does not actually state that, making it sound like you turn to channel 4775 on your cable box?
- "In game, the songs" does not need a comma and sounds like it's missing something? just sounds incomplete
- "from first-person perspective" should be "from the first-person perspective"
- "In game, the songs are arranged into sets of 3 to 5 songs to be played as part of a concert performance. During these songs, the game shows an on-screen fretboard which represents the notes the player should play, shown atop live-action footage taken from first-person perspective of the lead guitar player of one of several fictional bands, performing on stage and watching the reaction of the crowd and their bandmates." that is one massive sentence, one. and it reads like a run-on sentence. Can you possibly revise that?
- "The player then unlocks the ability to play the individual songs outside of sets.[2]" already stated in the previous sentence isn't it??
- "determining of those songs which they could license" should be "determining which of those songs they could license"
- "note highways" - term has not been defined? what exactly is that?
- "marking-up" does that need the hypen?
- "According to designer Jim Norris, their selection process included identifying songs that would be expected by players to be on a Guitar Hero title, determining of those songs which they could license, marking-up the song for the note highways and determining how much fun those songs would be to play, and then balancing the song selection in the game to give players a combination of songs they know and those they may not recognize but would be fun to play." - another long, run-on sentence that does not read well.
- "a video from a live concert footage of the band playing" simplify "footage from the band playing a live concert"
- "Activision announced that at least 70 new songs will be added to GHTV before the end of 2015." since 2015 is now in the past perhaps state how many were actually added?
- "these are based on songs and footage taken live from the respective band's current tour" - "were based on live performances for the respective band's ongoing tours"
- If this is a "list of songs" why is there a reception section? that's a game review section, it even has a "see also" setion but really is not relevant to a "list of songs" IMO
- Table specifics
- First two table sort okay, look okay.
- "Added Songs" table - looks like the primary sort is the "release date", what is the secondary short? so how are the songs released on 20 October 2015 sorted?
- Source review
- If I am generous and consider the reference right before the table I get a specific reference for song/artist but the rest of the table is not sourced at all?
- Most reflist templates uses the 30em split, is that not normal for these types of articles?
- Is "Kotaku.com" a reliable source?
- When I click on Reference 1 I get an error?
- Reference 3 does not seem to mention what it is supposed to reference??
- References 6-7-8-9 are all lumped together, spread them out to match up to what they source
- Same cluster has [8] listed twice.
- Reference 10 is dead
- Reference 11 does not state anything about the 1980s and 1990s??
- Reference cluster 12-13-14 does not actually cover everything in the preceding statements? like the fretboard and player card decorations?
- More notes that I initially thought I would find, but digging into some of the sources revealed issues so did some of the prose. MPJ-US 23:41, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I will get to these in next few days, thanks for the feedback. a couple notes:
- We have traditionally included a reception on the song selections in these games to show that there is notable interest in what songs the games present (which can make or break some of these games) - it's not just a random game soundtrack which rarely gains a standalone article.
- The references should also give release dates and the Premium show names. The only data not from the sources is going to be the genre, and that it something one has to look in-game to acquire (eg going to the song in the game, and checking how they catalog it).
- Kotaku is a reliable source as determined by the video games project.
- I'll double check on some of those references - many are pulled from the relevant sections in the main game article but here may not be doing what I thought, but I will recheck those. --MASEM (t) 00:10, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @MPJ-DK: I believe I have addressed all issues but one: using a 30em reflist causes the GHTV setlist to stick in one column which creates massive whitespace. I am thinking of actually breaking that apart and using individual references which would avoid that issue, so just need a nod if this makes sense. A few additional notes: As of working on this right now, all links are active save those from Gamespot, and that looks to be temporary thing (their entire site is down, I was browsing it earlier today). I've also addressed to change or replace references to make sure these are sourcing what they are being attached too. --MASEM (t) 22:41, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Masem: - Had to see for myself and I agree that looks weird, better to leave it the way it is. I get the same Gamespot error so fingers crossed it's temporary. MPJ-US 22:47, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @MPJ-DK: I believe I have addressed all issues but one: using a 30em reflist causes the GHTV setlist to stick in one column which creates massive whitespace. I am thinking of actually breaking that apart and using individual references which would avoid that issue, so just need a nod if this makes sense. A few additional notes: As of working on this right now, all links are active save those from Gamespot, and that looks to be temporary thing (their entire site is down, I was browsing it earlier today). I've also addressed to change or replace references to make sure these are sourcing what they are being attached too. --MASEM (t) 22:41, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I will get to these in next few days, thanks for the feedback. a couple notes:
- With the updates I can go with Support MPJ-US 22:47, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:45, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because it majorly seems to fit the criteria and with comments from other editors it can easily pass. The list is based on the current FL List of Padma Bhushan award recipients (1954–59). Looking forward for constructive comments. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:45, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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*I am just taking a minor issue with the huge empty space which is present in 1960. It is more for technical editing but please make sure that it is not there.
I will have a go at the prose later. Thanks. Yash! 18:50, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply] |
- Support - the minor issues raised by me were resolved. A very well written list. Yash! 13:40, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Yash! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:07, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as a list that serves the project quite well. Schmidt, Michael Q. 17:43, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I hope this doesn't mean anything, but I noticed that this one-line support was preceded by a review request on the reviewer's talk page that ended with a winking face. With reports of talk page spamming at another FLC, can we please refrain from symbols like that, which may lead sketical outsiders to presume canvassing? It just doesn't look good, even though I don't believe that was the intention. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:08, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Ohhh! Didn't think that it could be interpreted as canvassing. The wink was only for the play of words and the popular film's title The Usual Suspects. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:12, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from Vivvt
Resolved comments from - Vivvt (Talk) 09:42, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply] |
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- Comments from Nvvchar
- This sentence "It is ranked fifth in the order of precedence of wearing of medals and decorations." could probably be qualified.
- Sorry @Nvvchar:! I didn't understand your comment. What do you mean by "could be qualified"?
- I mean "of the civilian and military awards". Nvvchar. 07:12, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done @Nvvchar:. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:28, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry @Nvvchar:! I didn't understand your comment. What do you mean by "could be qualified"?
- Red link names for which there no WP articles so that some one else can write these articles.
- Red links were asked to be avoided at the 1954-59 FLC. I have noticed that Tachs is doing a good job of writing articles on many of them and then linking them here.
- Consider putting all the imgs in a gallery, though they have been fitted before the tables to the right in the FLC list approved for 1950-59.
- We have been following similar format on many other FLs, not just Padma, where images of all/majority of the individuals are not present.
Even without these changes the list is supported for approval.Nvvchar. 14:32, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from Cartoon network freak
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Hi there! I took a look at your article and here are my comments. Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Dharmadhyaksha More comments to come in the course of the next week... Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- With my comments being resolved, I am now willing support to this FLC. Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:01, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks CNF for your comments. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:14, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. However, in the first paragraph, there is a sentence: The Padma Bhushan award recipients are announced every year on Republic Day and registered in The Gazette of India, a publication released weekly by the Department of Publication, Ministry of Urban Development, used for official government notices. I opine that this sentence can be comfortably split into two. I also suggest you to rephrase that a list of recipients are announced and registered in the gazette. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 08:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Pavanjandhyala: Have rephrased and trimmed the sentence. Thanks for the comment. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support A very well done list. The reference number 5 for Note (a) regarding the order of precedence could be updated to the latest No. 106-Pres/2004 notification that supersedes No. 75-Pres/2001 linked to the Indian Army website. The latest one can be found here. Does not change anything, purely cosmetic. The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 20:05, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks @The Masked Man of Mega Might: Have replaced with the link you provided. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Source review
All appears to be good (after I made two minor tweaks) - SchroCat (talk) 07:30, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:56, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it is well written and reliable. I also followed the style and structure from Alexandra Stan's discography. --Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:54, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from Dharmadhyaksha
- "certified" should wikilink to Music recording sales certification instead of Certification.
- Done
- I have no much experience with song related list. So please check this point with others too.
How important and encyclopaedic is Youtube hit count in any article? Youtube is known for click frauds and the number of times the video is clicked on (not even fully seen) is immaterial. I think that bit in the lead and from the very first para should go away. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:25, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done the first one, but I will for now not remove the YouTube paragraph until another experienced user thinks so. I think it's something very notably for her career, and it also further shows that her songs are successful. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 07:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- My support give my minor comment is incorporated and good work done after that. I won't be capping the comments so the second point is visible to other editors who wish to comment on it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:12, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from shaidar cuebiyar
- Lead:
- she already sold > she sold Superfluous.
- Done
- "sold over one million singles": claim needs to be verified by a reliable certifying organisation, e.g. SNEP. A daily newspaper is not reliable for certification or sales claims. Once verified add a hard space between one and million, e.g. one million [check wikicode]. Repeat for similar instances elsewhere.
- Done Removed the statement. Cartoon network freak (talk) 06:58, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- "reached the top ten...": How is Romanian charting on a blog spot, reliable? According to WP:Recommended charts their singles (radio play) information can be found at Media Forest.
- I don't know what you want to point out here? The top-ten mention was done concerning the Media Forest chart. Cartoon network freak (talk) 09:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- According to WP:Verifiability policy, Self-published sources such as blogs are usually not reliable. Ref [31]a is a blog: its relationship to Media Forest is not obvious. This needs to be established clearly or the Romanian positions are not verified and should be deleted.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:43, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I just read his blogger profile, where he explains that he copied all the information he used for the blog from rt100.com and the Kiss FM podcasts after Romanian Top 100's missing. Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:00, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- This confirms that the source is self-published and hence unreliable. Are there any archival copies? e.g. Wayback Machine has these.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:12, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Replaced the source with the Wayback Machine publishings. Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:25, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Not done: its not sufficient to just cite all the Wayback listings: you'll need to find the specific archiveurls which show her singles on the Romanian charts.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I just read his blogger profile, where he explains that he copied all the information he used for the blog from rt100.com and the Kiss FM podcasts after Romanian Top 100's missing. Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:00, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- According to WP:Verifiability policy, Self-published sources such as blogs are usually not reliable. Ref [31]a is a blog: its relationship to Media Forest is not obvious. This needs to be established clearly or the Romanian positions are not verified and should be deleted.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:43, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know what you want to point out here? The top-ten mention was done concerning the Media Forest chart. Cartoon network freak (talk) 09:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- "Her career began in 2008...": Not if she signed with Roton and started recording in 2007.
- In 2007, she started under the name "Alessandra", but in 2008 under Inna. Cartoon network freak (talk) 09:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Change it to the year at which the artist first started – regardless of the name started as.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:43, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- In 2007, she started under the name "Alessandra", but in 2008 under Inna. Cartoon network freak (talk) 09:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done
"worldwide"? Only charting that is given for the single is in European countries: this is hardly worldwide.I see Japan, now: sorry. 01:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
- Done
- Delink second mention of "Amazing". Similarly delink previously linked terms in the rest of the Lead.
- Done
- number one position > number-one position Adjectival form is hyphenated, noun form is not.
- Done
- Delete ; both of the tracks were majorly successful Unnecessary exaggeration.
- Done
- Delete eventually Unnecessary.
- Done
- "17th best-selling single": Is there a reliable source?
- Done
- Don't link Crazy Sexy Wild twice, even if one is piped.
- Done
- Split long run-on sentences. e.g. the first sentence of third paragraph: end at Romania. Start new sentence with "More Than Friends"
- Done
- Delink 2nd mention of piped Inna (album)
- Done
- Reword Body and the Sun's first single: this is confusing as in the next couple of sentences we have "Diggy Down" as first release off Inna – shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:42, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done
- Wikitables:
- Where multiple refs are used check their order is numerical, e.g. at Note [A]
- Done
- Fix Polish albums chart piped link, e.g. [[OLiS|POL]] ZPAV is used for certifications: it verifies and supports OLiS, which is the charting authority.
- Done
- According to WP:Recommended charts, for aCharts in Poland: "This chart has been archived incorrectly or is taken from an impermissible chart. It cannot be used as a source." Replace it with one from OLiS or ZPAV Airplay.
- Done
- Hot Release date is not supported by ref [14], which says "Hot is released in the UK on 13 June". This article is written in May 2011: nearly two years after date given in this table.
- Done
- Should UFPR be UPFR? In any case fix pipe, e.g. [[Uniunea Producătorilor de Fonograme din România|UPFR]] not the artist's label.
- Done
- I Am the Club Rocker Release date is not supported by ref [20], which has January 2012. Also fix ref's title format to suit wp MoS.
- Done
- Curiously the 1st album charted in the top 30 in Poland but the 2nd did not, however the 2nd album is gold but the 1st is not.
- I know; I searched for peak positions, but I didn't find anything. Cartoon network freak (talk) 09:53, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done
- Party Never Ends, again release date not supported by ref given! New article is written in late April, which says, "hat ihr inzwischen drittes Studioalbum Party Never Ends veröffentlicht." It does not specify an early March release.
- Done
- Inna, four from four! The ref has "Pe 15 octombrie, INNA va lansa cel de-al patrulea album “INNA”, piese inregistrate..." Not 30 October.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done
- Reissued albums? How is this notable enough for a separate entry or even a table in a discography? A Note/description at the parent album's article would suffice.
- Done
- How is Last.fm a reliable source? It is a user generated wiki. A better source is required for Inna's singles.
- Done
- How is LetsSingIt reliable for charting information?
- Done
- How is FaceBook reliable for charting information?
- Done
- aCharts not reliable for Bulgarian charts, use Nielsen.
- Is there any posibility to search through the archives by entering a keyword anywhere? I really have no time to search for Inna's songs. Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:05, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Replaced Bulgarian peaks with Russian charting.
- Is there any posibility to search through the archives by entering a keyword anywhere? I really have no time to search for Inna's songs. Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:05, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- According to source: "Déjà Vu" & "Amazing" were released from the album but no year is given. You need a better source.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:58, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done
- For Czech charting modify the Note at the end of each sub-ref, e.g. For first one Note: User may have to specify the date range (next to RADIO – TOP 100): select 200951,52 from the drop down menu and then click on Zobrazit (display in Czech). Thereafter use Note: select 201016 Modify subsequently with the relevant date(s).
- Done
- For German charting I see another listing for [Inna] as opposed to Inna (Dance). Neither listing shows charting information on singles after "Sun Is Up". You need more sub-refs here.
- Added a sub-ref to Spanishcharts.com. Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:22, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a clever work-around, however for a single page ref (using your idea) try Swiss charts summary table.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Changed it now.
- Added a sub-ref to Spanishcharts.com. Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:22, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- For Italian charts, I don't see how is Hit Parade Italia supported by FIMI. If this can be shown, then combine sub-refs for singles in charting same year.
- @Shaidar cuebiyar Translating this, they seem to be reliable, as they had a magazine publication. Furthermore, they explain how their chart is based on sales, and they combine data from more official Italian charts, FIMI also. Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not convinced, I don't see any FIMI approval for Hit Parade Italia. I don't know why Hung Medien shows no Italian charting (see here and the Swiss charts summary, above). FIMI has this for "Hot" at No. 36. I'm not sure if this is its peak position. I haven't trawled the archive for other Inna charting.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:38, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Shaidar cuebiyar Translating this, they seem to be reliable, as they had a magazine publication. Furthermore, they explain how their chart is based on sales, and they combine data from more official Italian charts, FIMI also. Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- For Spanish charts, I'm not seeing individual singles positions at this url. Try "Hot" listing which also gives other singles.
- Done
- For Swiss charts, similar problem to previous. shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:05, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done
- At ref [46], I don't see year of release.
- They say that Inna will premiere the track, "10 Minutes", today, which gives us all the information we need, as the article was written on January 24, 2010. Cartoon network freak (talk) 09:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, I missed that one.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- They say that Inna will premiere the track, "10 Minutes", today, which gives us all the information we need, as the article was written on January 24, 2010. Cartoon network freak (talk) 09:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- At ref [52], it talks about the music video; weak support for year of release.
- Done Changed source Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- At ref [53], years of releases is not obvious.
- Done Changed source Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- At ref [54], track is released but no year given.
- Done Changed source Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- At ref [56], talks music video; weak support.
- Done Changed source Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- At ref [68], music video; weak support. shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:12, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Changed source Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Shaidar cuebiyar: Responded to some of your comments already done by me. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:45, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I prefer that you don't strike out my comments: there's at least three instances where you've struck out my comments but have not fully addressed the issues. You can strike out your own comments, if you wish.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:12, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Shaidar cuebiyar Unstroke all; sorry for that! You haven't answered my question regarding the Bulgarian peaks yet. I'm going to solve your other comments without the 'done'-mark when I'll have time. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 08:51, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry about the tardy response. I'd use aCharts to provide the dates to narrow the search run.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:19, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- For Bulgarian charting: You'll need to provide specific cites rather than the whole non-searched listing.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Shaidar cuebiyar Now I have no time, but later I'm going to solve your other comments. I changed Bulgaria with Russia, as she has more chart positions there. Cartoon network freak (talk) 08:41, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Shaidar cuebiyar Done your complete comments! Cartoon network freak (talk) 11:40, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry about the tardy response. I'd use aCharts to provide the dates to narrow the search run.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:19, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Shaidar cuebiyar Unstroke all; sorry for that! You haven't answered my question regarding the Bulgarian peaks yet. I'm going to solve your other comments without the 'done'-mark when I'll have time. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 08:51, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I prefer that you don't strike out my comments: there's at least three instances where you've struck out my comments but have not fully addressed the issues. You can strike out your own comments, if you wish.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:12, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Shaidar cuebiyar: Responded to some of your comments already done by me. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:45, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Changed source Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
With my issues resolved, I am now willing to support this FLC.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from AJona1992
- These were my edits to the article, I could not comment without fixing some grammatical errors.
- According to the infobox Inna has 23 singles but the lead says 22?
- I don't see why you need a source for when the album was released if they already have an article?
- The notes needs to be clarified, saying "Sales for Hot as of May 2011" for each country does not help the reader identify where sales figures are from and when they were updated. You can simply just say "Worldwide (or any other country) sales figures for Hot as of May 2011".
- Why is Airplay 100 and Romanian Top 100 italicized? – jona ✉ 16:01, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @AJona1992 Incorporated all your comments, besides the sources-problem, as FLS like Rihanna discography do also feature this. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:36, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST is not a valid argument, not sure why you continue to battle over this? Also, Daddy Yankee is an American reggaeton singer not Puerto Rican per WP:NATIONALITY, Puerto Rico is part of the United States so he is an American. The "registered" comment is unnecessary since the sentence worked fine without it. – jona ✉ 21:28, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @AJona1992 Done your additional comments. Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Everything looks good but French, Spanish, Italian, etc are not countries but languages. As of now, it reads as if the Spanish version of that song sold that many copies, not the actual track. – jona ✉ 14:05, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @AJona1992 Incorporated your other listings. Cartoon network freak (talk) 18:40, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Note M needs to be fix, why is the United States abbreviated on Note T? – jona ✉ 19:36, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @AJona1992 Incorporated your other listings. Cartoon network freak (talk) 18:40, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Everything looks good but French, Spanish, Italian, etc are not countries but languages. As of now, it reads as if the Spanish version of that song sold that many copies, not the actual track. – jona ✉ 14:05, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @AJona1992 Done your additional comments. Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST is not a valid argument, not sure why you continue to battle over this? Also, Daddy Yankee is an American reggaeton singer not Puerto Rican per WP:NATIONALITY, Puerto Rico is part of the United States so he is an American. The "registered" comment is unnecessary since the sentence worked fine without it. – jona ✉ 21:28, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I now support in the nomination of this article after my comments were resolved. Best, – jona ✉ 13:43, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from Dan_arndt
- The studio album table states that Hot was released 1 January 2010 however the article for Hot states it was released "in Poland on August 4, 2009 and in Russia on September 22, 2009." In either case the release date is not backed up with a cited reference.
- Done
- I'm confused you now state it was released 1 January 2010 yet it charted in the Polish charts in September 2009 ??
- Done
- Done
- Similarly I Am the Club Rocker states it was released 7 November 2011, whilst the article for I am the Club Rocker states it was released "September 19, 2011". Needs cited reference clarifying correct release date.
- Done
- iTunes shows the electronic release on iTunes and I think that you're reliance on this as the official release date is flawed. Allmusic clearly confirms that the album was released in September 2011 not November 2011.
- Done
- Footnote E states "Upon the release of Party Never Ends, a Japan-only reissue, Party Never Ends 2, was launched." This implies that Party Never Ends 2 was released 4 March 2013 however the reference indicates it was released July 10, 2013. Also the reference stated for footnote E is a CD sales site, and sales sites are not necessarily considered reliable sources.
- Done
- I word reword Footnote E to state "At the same time as the Japanese release of Party Never Ends on 3 July 2013, a Japan-only issue, Party Never Ends 2, containing ten additional tracks was also released."
- Done
- Done
- The studio album table states that Inna was released 30 October 2015 however the article for the album states it was "released worldwide on July 23, 2015", which was the digital version Body And The Sun and the physical release INNA was released October 30, 2015. In either case you need to clarify and provide a cited reference for the release date.
- Done
- I'm sorry but I'm still confused is Body And The Sun the same as INNA, if so then footnote G needs to be changed as Body And The Sun was released digitally worldwide on 23 July 2015 not just in Japan. Did the two have different tracks or were they just in a different order?
- @Dan arndt: Body and the Sun was the album which was released first. It premiered in Japan as a Japanese-only version of the internationally released Inna, which was released months later. However, to promote Inna before its issue, the latter album was also released promotionally worldwide. Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sorry but I'm still confused is Body And The Sun the same as INNA, if so then footnote G needs to be changed as Body And The Sun was released digitally worldwide on 23 July 2015 not just in Japan. Did the two have different tracks or were they just in a different order?
- Done
- You need to go through the references to ensure that references to sales/e-commerce sites (such as Ref #8, #21, #24 are replaced with reliable sources. WP content guidelines prohibits linking to "Individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services."
- Sorry, but I don't understand your request.
- You need to provide alternative references for the release dates apart from record retail/e-sales sites.
- Sorry, but I don't understand your request.
- @Dan arndt: Incorporated nearly all your comments. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:33, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Footnotes E & G replace 'launched' with 'issued' or 'released'
- Ref#6 doesn't appear to link to the album charts. Based on the links it refers to the singles charts for "Love" and "Club Rocker" not Hot or I Am the Club Rocker.
- Ref#37 doesn't appear to be working
- @Dan arndt: Done everything apart the additional references, as there are no articles or such telling about these exact release dates; does it also work without them? Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:25, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You still haven't addressed the fact that you state Hot was released in January 2010 and yet it charted in September 2009, obviously it was released in 2009 not 2010. Also is Body and the Sun the same release as INNA just with a different title or is it a different release? Dan arndt (talk) 04:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dan arndt: Fixed the release date for Hot; Inna and Body and the Sun are the same album,but the latter one is its Japanese version. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:39, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cartoon network freak: still haven't addressed my concerns about the only references for some releases being e-sales sites (particularly Japanese releases), is there no information from the respective labels confirming the release date. Noting iTunes has already proven to be inaccurate in respect to the release of Hot. Dan arndt (talk) 01:52, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Nergaal
- I don't think the yellow coloring in the table is useful. Nergaal (talk) 15:26, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Nergaal: Fixed. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:39, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Sources
Sources look fine, and spot checks on 10 of the English language ones show no problems. - SchroCat (talk) 07:21, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): Joseph2302 (talk) 11:14, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because I have undertaken a great deal of work to improve this list, and make it a more comprehensive description of the cricket grounds used by Sussex. I believe it meets all the FL criteria, and is of a similar than FLs about other counties' grounds (List of Derbyshire County Cricket Club grounds, List of Essex County Cricket Club grounds, List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club grounds, List of Leicestershire County Cricket Club grounds, List of Somerset County Cricket Club grounds, and List of Warwickshire County Cricket Club grounds). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:14, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The other lists you mention include First Class, List A and T20 matches, but there are no T20 matches on this list. Is there a reason for this? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:10, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Only 2 grounds have hosted T20 matches (County Ground and Arundel). Also, some of the tables in the similar articles look messier because they're too long if you add T20 matches.
- But I can definitely add them if people want. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:25, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: Added them. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:28, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- In the lead you say "Sussex's main ground was Royal Brunswick Ground" but then later refer to it as the Royal Brunswick Ground. Better to be consistent
- "This venue has also has held a single" - think there's a stray extra word in there
- "14 List A matches at Central Recreation Ground, Hastings" - think the word "the" is needed before Central
- "After the ground was demolished in 1996–97,[9] Two List A Sussex matches" - no need for capital on The
- "Eastbourne did not host any Sussex matches in 2001 [...] and have not played another first-class or List A dixture in Eastbourne since" - the subject of the sentence is Eastbourne, so you need to change "have not played", presumably to "Sussex have not played". Also, fixture is spelt wrongly.
- "Between 1908 and 2015, Cricket Field Road Ground" - again, needs "the" before the name of the ground
- Note g: "Excludes two matches where no play was possible, 39 matches played the South team" => played by the South team
- Note j: "Excludes 16 matches where no play was possible" - write sixteen as a word to match the other notes
- Cheers, ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:58, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: I've made all the changes suggested above. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:43, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - looks good now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:15, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support - looks much better now. Given that the lead underwent a significant transformation, I'd like to know if ChrisTheDude is okay with the current version. —Vensatry (Talk) 08:58, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, I never noticed I was referenced here. Yes, I am fine with the current lead -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:29, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I might be a nobody to the "professional" editors out here (and my opinion might even be dismissed), but I like the list and I think that it has the potential to be one of the best lists produced in the encyclopedia.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:8108:30bf:b168:7511:5200:b7e9:564b (talk • contribs)
- Comments from MPJ-US
Trying to drum up some reviews for my own Featured List Candidate (NWA World Historic Welterweight Championship) and I figured the best way to get it to give.
- General comments
- "mid eighteenth" should be "mid-eighteenth"
- I don't believe you need the comma in "eighteenth century, and had"
- "when the main ground was the Royal Brunswick" should it be "when theRoyal Brunswick Ground in Brunswick, Hove became the main ground"?
- "proposed fixture" is the term "fixture" something specific in Cricket?
- "Fixture" is not something specific to cricket, it is a general sporting term in British English. See the first definition at [11] -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:17, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Table specifics
- It is a shame that the table is too wide for the standard resolution page, but unless the standard is changed completley I am not sure if that can be addressed?
- "The Dipping Pan" should sort by "D" not "T"
- "The Saffrons" should sort by "S" not "T"
Under "Twenty20" there is an issue with the sorting for matches, if I click it twice to have the highest number at the top it sorts "65", "0", "5"?
- Source review
- All look like reliable sources Y
- Formatting looks okay, has accessdates for all, no "date" since the source does not list it so that's all as expected Y
- Not really that many issues, it's a really good list right now, almost a Featured List. MPJ-US 22:51, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- MPJ-DK I've fixed the table sort issues, and I can't fix that it's too wide (lots of tables on Wikipedia are). Changed the general comments, and "fixture" is used a lot in British English sports (to mean match/game), and is the term used in the source. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:20, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support happy to support this. MPJ-US 09:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:34, 4 May 2016 (UTC) [12].[reply]
- Nominator(s): --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 14:23, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is my fourth featured list nomination; it's yet another tributary list. This one is about the tributaries of Mahanoy Creek, a 51-mile-long tributary of the Susquehanna River in Schuylkill and Northumberland Counties, Pennsylvania. Mahanoy Creek is impacted by abandoned mine drainage in its upper reaches, as are some of its tributaries. This list hopefully covers all the significant aspects of the tributaries, and most of the streams have pictures (and, as usual, all have articles). --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 14:23, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments by Colonel Wilhelm Klink
The information in this article is accurate; I've checked it against your sources, which are all reliable enough to negate the need for further verification. To further determine whether this list meets featured list criteria, I compared it to the List of tributaries of Shamokin Creek, which is already FL, and with the official featured list criteria. In doing so, I've made the following observations:
- The prose of your article, though not extensive, is sufficient for a featured list in terms of grammar, terminology, and style.
- The article's lead has wide enough scope, although the information is a bit outdated (it's mostly from 2001). If this is because the conditions discussed have and will be stable for the long term, this is okay; nevertheless, I would suggest some updating, if not from recent (e.g. 2015) sources, than at least from newer (e.g. 2007) sources.
- This article is comprehensive enough for its topic. It contains all of the relevant information necessary for someone to gain a good understanding of the subject, does not extensively duplicate information from another article (as far as I know), and, overall, satisfies the standards set by other featured lists and set guidelines.
- This article has a logical and organized structure. All sorting mechanisms work properly.
- The style of this article meets the standards of WP:STYLE. However, there is a problem with the lack of images in this article (which is really the only major problem I've found). To compare to the other featured lists of tributaries, every item listed should be accompanied with an image. While some such featured lists don't include such extensive use of images, it certainly does help the quality of the article. If anything, consider adding images only for the two main tributaries of Mahanoy Creek (in the first table), since these seem of greater importance to the subject.
- This page is stable, and has never been subjected to edit warring.
In conclusion, this list sufficiently fulfills the criteria which a featured list is required to fulfill. As it is now, I would support its promotion to featured status; in the instance of the suggested improvements being made (along with any other that I missed), I would change this position to strongly support. Good work, good luck, and farewell. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (Complaints|Mistakes) 19:55, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review. If data from more recent years actually existed, I'd use it, but it's this or Operation Scarlift data from the 1970s. Studies of minor creeks like this one aren't repeated on a regular basis, if at all. Also, more than half of the tributaries actually do have pictures already. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 17:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This will be my third tributary list to review, and it looks to have maintained the same structure so should be an easy review:
- Should have a source for " not affected by mining." I suspect the source at the end is the same, and this is fine, it's two different concepts.
- Yes, the source at the end of the paragraph supports the whole paragraph.
- "(0 cubic feet per second (0 m3/s))" can be replaced with 0 discharge (no need for conversion). Perhaps an explanation is in order for this strange number?
- Fixed.
- Better, but why is there a tributary without any water?
- North Mahanoy Creek, the tributary in question, loses most of its water to underground mines, and is an ephemeral stream in its lower reaches; the article discusses that.
- That makes sense... but that should be included in the prose and readers shouldn't have to open up the article to see why there is 0 runoff... I think just calling it an ephemeral stream is enough (Or is it an Intermittent stream)?
- I really don't think it's that unusual for creeks to run dry; it happens all the time, especially to small ones like this. I suppose I could link to Stream#Intermittent and ephemeral streams.
- pH is a huge range, any explanation for that in the source?
- Well, some tributaries are affected by mining (hence the low pHs), and some aren't. It's still relatively unusual to have an alkaline stream (at least in northeast PA), probably due to acid deposition, but not unheard of.
- Can this be added, with info from the source? Something like "most tributaries are acidic, ranging from x-x, due to ..."
- Added a sentence to that effect.
- I rewrote the last sentence, what do you think of the change?
- Pretty good, though I tweaked it a bit.
- Important: Need to briefly describe the Hilsenhoff Biotic Index, specifically is 10 good? or bad?
- A lower score is better; I changed the text to reflect it.
- I just checked the source and it appears higher the better. Specifically Hilsenhoff indicates that a score of 3-9 means "microinvertebrates present) and 10-24 indicate that microinvertibrates are common. I think those terms should be used with the score in brackets as the number itself is not very meaningful.
- That's actually, a different scale; unlike the HBI, those numbers refer to the actual number of macroinvertebrate individuals there are. The chart on page 33 labels anything under 4 as "excellent" and anything over 7 as "very poor".
- Can you use those terms? Excellent (4) and Very poor (7)? I think they are more useful than numbers without context.
- Done.
- You say Only Mahanoy Creek that was found to contain fish, but later say Schwaben Creek are stocked with trout... do you mean "naturally" contain fish?
- Actually, the text says In 2001, Schwaben Creek was the only named tributary of Mahanoy Creek that was found to contain fish, so no contradiction.
- Why is there no elevation for Shenandoah Creek or Kehly Run?
- There's something strange going on with those two creeks in the USGS database. The National Map shows Kehly Run reaching its confluence with Shenandoah Creek near the Number Four Reservoir, but Kehly Run's official coordinates are a mile to the south (and on a nearby hill for some reason). I have no idea where Kehly is supposed to end and Shenandoah is supposed to start; thus I don't know the mouth elevation for Kehly or the source elevation for Shenandoah.
- Can you include a Map all coordinates link as in the Bowman Tributaries? Otherwise the coordinates in the table are not overly useful.
Done.
Great list! I look forward to supporting it after these minor issues are addressed. Mattximus (talk) 00:39, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Mattximus: Thanks for another great review! I've responded to your comments. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 01:21, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Most changes are good, I made a few comments on the remaining ones. Mattximus (talk) 01:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, looks like 3 more concerns and then it's a support. Mattximus (talk) 15:32, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Most changes are good, I made a few comments on the remaining ones. Mattximus (talk) 01:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - All concerns addressed, nice article! (Pending fixes to sources below) Mattximus (talk) 17:52, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- 11-entry list that I doubt passes wp:GNG. Keep up the low bar. Nergaal (talk) 03:36, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- wp:GNG depends almost exclusively on sources. This article has several good sources, so by wp:GNG definition it's notable. There is no featured list requirement that says it must be greater than 11 entries either. Mattximus (talk) 15:32, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Nergaal, if you believe a nominated list does not meet the GNG, then please take it to AfD. Passive-aggressive comments on the nomination are not at all helpful to anyone- they have no effect but slightly annoying a few people, and if that was your aim then you need to have new aims. As far as the length- 11 is short, but the unofficial minimum is 10 items. --PresN 20:07, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I would recommend a topic ban should this kind of behaviour continue. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:18, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support – With all of my comments resolved, I'm comfortable in thinking that this meets the FL criteria, providing that the source-check doesn't reveal any unexpected issues. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:17, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Source review
As outlined on the FLC page there needs to be a specific source review done so here is my input on the sources
- Reference 1 - It does not actually give you any info? Considering it is supposed to source 10 statements in the article that's a big problem. Not sure how this was supposed to actually source anything?
- I'm not sure what more could possible be desired. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 17:36, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- When i click on the link i get a map viewer overview page, there is nothing specifically on that page about this subject as far as i can see. MPJ-US 18:01, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It's a map with a search function, zooming options, and various tools for measuring length, elevation, etc. I can add a permalink to the general area, but it's probably not possible to do more. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 20:36, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Reference 2 - Missing info on the publisher (U.S. Department of the Interior) It contains five different page indicators, I would expect them to actually be five different references, tying the page to the facts each page specifically sites?
- Added publisher, but I don't want to split the reference. It makes things clumsy and hasn't been asked in any other FLCs. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 17:36, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Just giving you my opinion, harder to verify when you have so many pages crammef into one. It is quite common on wikipedia to.have different refs for different pages. MPJ-US 18:01, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm aware that it's common, I simply prefer not to use that style. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 20:36, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Reference 3 - Missing info on the publisher, author etc. simply gives us title and date, but there is more information that can be gleaned from the source.
- Added creator. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 17:36, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Reference 4 - Same as #3, missing information. Too many separate page indicators, really should be page specific references to ensure we can match fact to page
- Added creator, see #2. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 17:36, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Reference 5 - a zip file? I am not even sure what that is supposed to be for?
- It's for verifying the content cited to it. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 17:36, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes thank you listing it as a source kinda indicated that. I am not about to download and unzip a file i don't know what it even is. Can you share some info on the content of this? MPJ-US 18:01, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- A list of every geographical feature in Pennsylvania. If it were possible to link to a GNIS query, I'd do that instead, but it's not. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 20:36, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Sadly lacking in the sources, only five but all have some sort of issue. MPJ-US 00:55, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Jakec: reminding you of this. --PresN 17:07, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Jakec: reply above. MPJ-US 18:01, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@MPJ-DK: Jakec responded; not trying to hassle you, but I'd really like to get this nomination closed as it's well past due. --PresN 01:11, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I'm just going to go ahead and close this, it's a month past where we usually call it. All of the source review concerns were addressed, and I don't have any myself after looking it over, so closing as passed. --PresN 14:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): Krimuk|90 (talk) 09:14, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
One of the loveliest British actresses of all time, Catherine Zeta-Jones is the perfect combination of beauty and staggering talent. This is a listing of her film, television, stage roles, and the awards that she received for them. It is my 20th FLC nomination, and I hope to receive constructive comments for its improvement. Krimuk|90 (talk) 09:14, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- IMDB has a few more awards listed for her. Nergaal (talk) 17:06, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, but I have only included the ones that meet the WP: Notability criteria. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 04:02, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks an excellent list to me.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:44, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you. :) Krimuk|90 (talk) 02:27, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Comments Looks good overall. These are my edits; feel free to revert if you disagree with them.
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- She was nominated for Worst Actress at the Razzies in 1999 – no mention of that?
- I don't think the Razzies are particularly notable, and most FL-class award pages don't mention them. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 01:42, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I totally disagree – Razzies are as notable as anything honorable. If actors themselves accept the dishonor, it's high time we also need to include them.
- How is something dishonorable considered a notable award? Some of the best actors have been given the award for some random bad film, and it doesn't add anything notable to their resume. Krimuk|90 (talk) 07:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- That's the thing, though – a Wikipedia article is not a résumé. This article needs to be an unbiased look at Catherine Zeta-Jones's notable roles and awards, even the ones that she might find embarrassing. I'd argue that, for that reason, the Razzie needs to be included, but I'll go with consensus. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:49, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging Cowlibob, Dr. Blofeld, SchroCat—who have worked on award lists—too see what they think about the inclusion of Razzies? Krimuk|90 (talk) 04:34, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I've included it once before in the lead I think for Sandra Bullock's filmography as it was an interesting comparison to her winning an Oscar on the same weekend. I think you don't need to mention it in the lead but should include it in the list of awards/nominations as it is a "notable" award in that it meets WP:GNG. The following two on IMDb should also probably be included: Alliance of Women Film Journalists, Hasty Pudding Woman of the Year. Cowlibob (talk) 09:57, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright then, I've added them, A Thousand Doors and Cowlibob. Krimuk|90 (talk) 01:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I've included it once before in the lead I think for Sandra Bullock's filmography as it was an interesting comparison to her winning an Oscar on the same weekend. I think you don't need to mention it in the lead but should include it in the list of awards/nominations as it is a "notable" award in that it meets WP:GNG. The following two on IMDb should also probably be included: Alliance of Women Film Journalists, Hasty Pudding Woman of the Year. Cowlibob (talk) 09:57, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging Cowlibob, Dr. Blofeld, SchroCat—who have worked on award lists—too see what they think about the inclusion of Razzies? Krimuk|90 (talk) 04:34, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- That's the thing, though – a Wikipedia article is not a résumé. This article needs to be an unbiased look at Catherine Zeta-Jones's notable roles and awards, even the ones that she might find embarrassing. I'd argue that, for that reason, the Razzie needs to be included, but I'll go with consensus. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:49, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- How is something dishonorable considered a notable award? Some of the best actors have been given the award for some random bad film, and it doesn't add anything notable to their resume. Krimuk|90 (talk) 07:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I totally disagree – Razzies are as notable as anything honorable. If actors themselves accept the dishonor, it's high time we also need to include them.
- I don't think the Razzies are particularly notable, and most FL-class award pages don't mention them. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 01:42, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support No other issues from me. I do think there would be a benefit in adding another image (maybe in the TV section), and it would also be worth adding archive-urls to the weblinks to prevent linkrot, but these aren't FL requirements. Great work! A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:14, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you. I'll get to archiving some of the links soon. :) Krimuk|90 (talk) 04:04, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support: The list looks faultless to me. I have a few minor prose quibbles from the lead:
- "She soon achieved success by playing roles that relied significantly on her sex appeal in the action film The Mask of Zorro (1998) and the caper thriller Entrapment (1999)" Sentence could do with a comma after "sex appeal". I'd also consider beginning the sentence "She achieved early success by..." etc
- Done.
- "Zeta-Jones' portrayal of a drug lord's wife in Steven Soderbergh's Traffic (2000) garnered her..." Wrong verb choice: things are garnered, but things don't garner, if you see what I mean. Suggest "garnered" → "gained"
- Done.
- I see you spell "Favorite" the American way. Is this because the award categories are thus spelt?
- Yeah, since the Blockbuster and People Choice Awards are American ceremonies. Should they be spelt the British way, or is it alright as is?
- If that's how they spell it, so be it! Cheers, Brianboulton (talk) 08:57, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, since the Blockbuster and People Choice Awards are American ceremonies. Should they be spelt the British way, or is it alright as is?
Nothing more: well done. Brianboulton (talk) 21:50, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, Brianboulton for such a kind review. :) Krimuk|90 (talk) 01:31, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Source review
- Formatting is in order. Spot checks on five refs show all the relevant info is supported. - SchroCat (talk) 12:48, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:32, 4 May 2016 (UTC) [14].[reply]
- Nominator(s): FrB.TG (talk) 15:31, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Partially based on Leonardo DiCaprio's awards and nominations list, a list I wrote back in mid 2015, this is an exhaustive list of accolades received by actress Emma Stone. I have added every notable award that was covered by reliable sources. I initially intended to just expand the list and not bring it here, fearing it might be a WP:CFORK case as it seemed a bit short then, but I believe a page with 28 awards and 83 nominations is enough to warrant a stand-alone list. You might see some difference between this list and others of its kind; for that please read the discussion in its talk page. ツ FrB.TG (talk) 15:31, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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That's it from me. Yashthepunisher (talk) 09:20, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support this nomination. Good luck. Yashthepunisher (talk) 16:36, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Vivvt (Talk) 10:14, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support The nominator resolved all of my comments. Keep up the good work. - Vivvt (Talk) 13:00, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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That's all! GagaNutellatalk 03:20, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- I support this FLC. Congrats. GagaNutellatalk 22:06, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Ojorojo
- The layout makes it very easy to read. Linking the year and category also provides a lot of additional information. I did a spot check on about 20 references and #10, 55, and 75 didn't seem to support the info. Is there a way to link to where ES is mentioned more directly? IMDB is included as an external link. If this doesn't add much, it may be better to leave it out, since some don't consider it a RS. —Ojorojo (talk) 18:22, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for spot-checking the sources. I believe I have replaced those 3 references that verify the info. FrB.TG (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support That takes care of it. Good work. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:13, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Double-checked the formatting to complete the source review, and I'm fine with it; there was one cite web that was missing a url but it was easy to find. Promoting. --PresN 21:35, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:30, 4 May 2016 (UTC) [18].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Ojorojo (talk) 15:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because it is an informative discography of one of the most important blues musicians of the mid-twentieth century. Several of Elmore James' recordings are regarded as blues classics and his influence continues to be heard in contemporary blues as well as rock. His discography covers all of his known released recordings and is extensively referenced with many inline citations and goes beyond WP:DISCOGSTYLE and most FL discographies.
Since its creation in November 2013, it has been stable with no tendentious editing, vandalism, edit wars, etc. Recently, I have checked all the citations and have updated the reference and table formats. The lead has been rewritten and referenced. I look forward to constructive comments/suggestions to make this a FL. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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* ""TV Mama", for which he provided guitar, was a number six chart hit for Joe Turner (better known as Big Joe Turner) in 1964." — Why not just say: "… was a number six chart hit for Big Joe Turner in 1964."?
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- Added. Thanks for your input. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:37, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support — Looks good. Jimknut (talk) 19:21, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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*In the headings A-side/B-side would look better as a row under Title
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Support all my comments have been addressed. Good luck with the nomination. Dan arndt (talk) 22:15, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by FrB.TG
- Why is the number of compilation albums 8+ and not simply 8?
- As noted in the "Selected compilation albums" section, there are numerous James compilations (well over 100, most of which are out of print). I've included the eight most notable, based on a RS. Does this need clarification? —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I thought so. Probably add a footnote, adding that eight of his compilation albums are included in the list? FrB.TG (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Added explanatory footnote. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:04, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I thought so. Probably add a footnote, adding that eight of his compilation albums are included in the list? FrB.TG (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- As noted in the "Selected compilation albums" section, there are numerous James compilations (well over 100, most of which are out of print). I've included the eight most notable, based on a RS. Does this need clarification? —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Added markup. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Is no image available on him?
- Almost all James photos come from two sources: Jacques Demetre and George Adins. I haven't been able to determine that these or any others are in the public domain. The image in the Elmore James article is used under a "no free equivalent" claim (WP:FREER). Use in a discography would not meet the "Could the subject be adequately conveyed by properly sourced text without using the non-free content at all?" criterion. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- As label is sortable, link all the entries under it or make it unsortable.
- Linked all. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Why are labels not linked under references?
- Linked. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Consider optionally reviewing a nomination of mine. FrB.TG (talk) 09:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support — FrB.TG (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Source review - passed
- Spotchecks: Checked 1, 15, 23 - clean
- Formatting: The "1980 Hall of Fame Inductees: Elmore James" source link does not work for me; it looks like you were logged in to a site and did a search? Other than that it looks fine, though I note that "Whitburn 1998, pp. 19–461" is basically "the entire book", so if there's any way to make that more precise that'd be great.
- The Blues Hall of Fame changes the links from time to time. I replaced it with a different source. I removed the Whitburn cite because the only entry in the column already has a cite. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:50, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- If the link keeps changing, consider archiving it with web.archive.org or webcitation.org so that you can get a static record. --PresN 15:01, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The Blues Hall of Fame changes the links from time to time. I replaced it with a different source. I removed the Whitburn cite because the only entry in the column already has a cite. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:50, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Sourcing: Not clear on how globaldogproductions.info or wangdangdula.com are RSs. Also, not sure such a source even exists, but I am a little concerned that the only "list of all Elmore James singles/albums" sources used are album liner notes; it just raises questions of whether you're missing a minor single or album and don't know it, though I guess that's me being pretty nitpicky. I wouldn't oppose over it. --PresN 01:23, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually the box set booklets were put together by well-known music researchers/writers and are quite detailed. They were given access to the master tapes, recording logs, etc. If they couldn't find it, I doubt it can be found. Discographies at AllMusic and images of releases at Discogs were also used. Cross-checking the information, I believe that this faithfully represents James' recorded output. There are over 100 James compilation albums and only the most current and notable are listed. I only know of one James biography and don't remember that the discography section was that useful (I don't have access to it now). Short of providing links to images of his singles, I don't think there are unused RS. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:50, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Three reviews of box sets by AllMusic confirm that these are comprehensive. Cub Koda writes, "These recordings [on the Capricorn box set] are the ones most commonly issued on James and have surfaced on so many different compilations—all with varying levels of sound quality—that it would be futile to list them all here. Fortunately, to make things easier we have this two-disc 50-song box set rounding up at least one extant take of everything Elmore recorded with Robinson at the helm."[20] Richie Unterberger noted, "this 71-track compilation [from Virigin/Flair] is the most thorough retrospective of that era likely to be produced. In addition to including songs that were not issued in any form until after his death (and sometimes long after his passing), there are multiple takes of specific tunes, alternates, false starts, studio chatter, ..."[21] Koda also writes, "Elmore James had recorded a session for Chess in 1953 before settling down with the Bihari Brothers and again in 1960, shortly before starting his final recordings for Bobby Robinson's Fire, Fury and Enjoy labels. This [Chess album] collects up all of them with the bonus addition ..."[22] —Ojorojo (talk) 19:50, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Ojorojo: Ok, satisfied on the comprehensive front. Only remaining concern is if globaldogproductions.info and wangdangdula.com are actually reliable sources; they both appear to be personal blogs. --PresN 15:01, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd prefer not to use these, but think Peter Hoppula (wangdangdula – unfortunate name) is acceptable. His discographies are cited in several publications: The Bob Dylan Encyclopedia notes "Sources: discographical detail from Peter Hoppula's Roy Gaines listing at the excellent www.wangdangdula.com seen online 20 Feb 2006";[23] and his catalogue listings are included as a footnote in an Enthomusicology PhD dissertation for UCLA;[24] and in Blues: A Regional Experience he is acknowledged under the list "We have also consulted many of the other standard references in the field. We have made sometimes copious use of works or comments by ... Pete Hoppula".[25] I also found a Hoppula source to replace globaldog for Enjoy Records.[26] These sources are used for re-release/reissue information and not James' original catalogue (that has proper RS) – they could all be removed without losing any unique recordings. Or, as noted above, many of the individual releases could be linked to images, which provide most of the information. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:57, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @PresN: I created an alternative discography by removing all the reissues and the need for the Hoppula source. This is a much better alternative to linking single images. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:52, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, if you've removed the globaldog source, I'm convinced on the use of the unfortunately named wangdangdula source. Passing this source review, and since it was the last thing remaining, promoting this list. --PresN 19:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @PresN: I created an alternative discography by removing all the reissues and the need for the Hoppula source. This is a much better alternative to linking single images. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:52, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd prefer not to use these, but think Peter Hoppula (wangdangdula – unfortunate name) is acceptable. His discographies are cited in several publications: The Bob Dylan Encyclopedia notes "Sources: discographical detail from Peter Hoppula's Roy Gaines listing at the excellent www.wangdangdula.com seen online 20 Feb 2006";[23] and his catalogue listings are included as a footnote in an Enthomusicology PhD dissertation for UCLA;[24] and in Blues: A Regional Experience he is acknowledged under the list "We have also consulted many of the other standard references in the field. We have made sometimes copious use of works or comments by ... Pete Hoppula".[25] I also found a Hoppula source to replace globaldog for Enjoy Records.[26] These sources are used for re-release/reissue information and not James' original catalogue (that has proper RS) – they could all be removed without losing any unique recordings. Or, as noted above, many of the individual releases could be linked to images, which provide most of the information. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:57, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Ojorojo: Ok, satisfied on the comprehensive front. Only remaining concern is if globaldogproductions.info and wangdangdula.com are actually reliable sources; they both appear to be personal blogs. --PresN 15:01, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Three reviews of box sets by AllMusic confirm that these are comprehensive. Cub Koda writes, "These recordings [on the Capricorn box set] are the ones most commonly issued on James and have surfaced on so many different compilations—all with varying levels of sound quality—that it would be futile to list them all here. Fortunately, to make things easier we have this two-disc 50-song box set rounding up at least one extant take of everything Elmore recorded with Robinson at the helm."[20] Richie Unterberger noted, "this 71-track compilation [from Virigin/Flair] is the most thorough retrospective of that era likely to be produced. In addition to including songs that were not issued in any form until after his death (and sometimes long after his passing), there are multiple takes of specific tunes, alternates, false starts, studio chatter, ..."[21] Koda also writes, "Elmore James had recorded a session for Chess in 1953 before settling down with the Bihari Brothers and again in 1960, shortly before starting his final recordings for Bobby Robinson's Fire, Fury and Enjoy labels. This [Chess album] collects up all of them with the bonus addition ..."[22] —Ojorojo (talk) 19:50, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually the box set booklets were put together by well-known music researchers/writers and are quite detailed. They were given access to the master tapes, recording logs, etc. If they couldn't find it, I doubt it can be found. Discographies at AllMusic and images of releases at Discogs were also used. Cross-checking the information, I believe that this faithfully represents James' recorded output. There are over 100 James compilation albums and only the most current and notable are listed. I only know of one James biography and don't remember that the discography section was that useful (I don't have access to it now). Short of providing links to images of his singles, I don't think there are unused RS. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:50, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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