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Nominator(s): Niwi3 (talk) 15:41, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, this is the second FAC for this article. I believe it failed last time mostly due to lack of support and interest. Reviewers, please do not be afraid of this article! In my opinion, it is a very interesting article and a good read (Blade Runner influences, Great Recession, and Influenza A virus subtype H1N1). In the last FAC, one reviewer had concerns with the article's extensive use of video game jargon, but since then I've removed as much of it as I could and explained everything in an easy to understand manner. Also, I believe that Mass Effect 2 is a very unique RPG that had a notable significance in modern video game history, so it needs support. Thanks in advance. --Niwi3 (talk) 15:41, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support: My concerns were satisfied and I believe the article is sufficiently complete to satisfy the FA requirement. Praemonitus (talk) 17:18, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your time, comments and interest. --Niwi3 (talk) 17:28, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Here are a few points that caught my eye:

• The article didn't seem to discuss the game's quest system, which usually consisted of combat missions or actions to be taken during visits to settlements. As these formed the core of the game play, I think there should be a little more information.

Done.

• I don't see any mention of the more extensive settlement locations such as Omega, nor the method for piloting the Normandy 2 around star systems and visiting locations.

I don't think it's necessary to mention Omega because it's indifferent to other settlements found in the game. Besides, the general reader does not know what "Omega" is. I added info about piloting the Normandy around planetary systems, though. If there are more issues, please let me know. --Niwi3 (talk) 12:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• "Mass Effect 2 is a sequel to the original Mass Effect and the second main game in the Mass Effect series": This ambiguous wording implies this is a sequel to the second main game in the series.

Fixed.

• "...acquires an IFF transponder necessary for safe travel through the Omega-4 Relay as well as an unconscious geth": Safe travel through an unconscious geth? Please fix the ambiguity.

Fixed.

• Added 5/6: The term "powers" could use a little more high-level explanation. All you get in the Gameplay section is the sentence, "Each class is proficient in a different set of powers and weapon types." You could explain that powers provide enhanced combat capabilities, with each power having four ranks that can be unlocked during level up. You can also mention that recruits have special powers that the player can unlock upon earning their loyalty.

Done. The special powers are mentioned in the dialogue and morality subsection. --Niwi3 (talk) 16:06, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise it's a good article. Praemonitus (talk) 00:53, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will fix the other issues soon. Right now I'm a bit busy. Thank you for your comments, much appreciated. --Niwi3 (talk) 08:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. A tad dry in the writing in parts, but it seems that that's how many want their encyclopedia articles to read, which is fine; writing serious-but-catchy is hard. 2 nitpicks which I fixed in a small edit of myself, except I see that Niwi3 reverted me on one of them. First off, this is admittedly a tiny nitpick and it'd be totally fine to leave such extra detail out of the article: it's just that the article pointedly mentions that Legion is optional at the moment, and doesn't mention Grunt is optional. And yes, he is optional - what you're getting at, I suppose, is that the recruitment mission for Dr. Okeer is mandatory, but then the mission where you can (optionally) collect Legion at is mandatory too. Shepard is never forced to open Grunt's capsule and is even warned that it might be a bad idea - I'd know, since I beat the game without ever recruiting Grunt, and this can easily be sourced if you want to check. I'd say to either assume the player collects both and not mention they are technically optional, or mention that both are optional - it's weird and implies the wrong thing to only mention it for one. SnowFire (talk) 00:08, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First off, thank you for your support, much appreciated. I understand your point completely about Grunt, but the thing is that you must recruit him in a recruitment mission. Then it's up to you to use him. Also, saying Grunt is optional may be misleading to the general reader. --Niwi3 (talk) 09:11, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, per User talk:SnowFire#re: Is Grunt optional or not?. Thanks :) --Niwi3 (talk) 15:54, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Nice work. SnowFire (talk) 17:03, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Object. There's one area that is missing, namely the business of DLC. The issue received some coverage, and should be covered both from the business perspective, and from the criticism it attracted from some of the fan community. See for example [2], [3], [4]. This is related to the same issue in ME3, and may be a bit difficult to untangle, but it should not be omitted. Ping me on talk if a reply is left here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You've made an interesting point, though as you said, it may be a bit difficult to untangle. I'll see what I can do. Thanks. --Niwi3 (talk) 14:15, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a DLC business paragraph in the "release and DLC" section. What do you think? Thanks. --Niwi3 (talk) 20:39, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My concern is now addressed sufficiently; I support now. Good job! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:41, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your support and constructive criticism. --Niwi3 (talk) 08:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

• Captions that aren't complete sentences shouldn't end in periods
• "Console identifier removed for neutrality" (cover image): not sure what you mean by this. I think you might mean you wanted the image to be more general (ie. not console-specific), but does the cover vary at all between consoles?
• "Self taken from the PC version of Mass Effect 2" (screenshot): is it possible to be more specific about what part of the game this was taken from?
• File:Mass_Effect_2_Collector's_Edition.jpg: given purpose of use is incorrect, FUR needs reworking. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:16, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Thank you very much for the review, much appreciated. --Niwi3 (talk) 15:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - Had some time and read through it today, it's all there. Some minor issues -
  • No mention of Morinth in your character list.
  • I'd describe Garrus as a vigilante. He was a security officer in the first game.
  • Your character list would work better as an actual character list.
  • Worth noting when development began. [5]
  • "On January 27, 2011, BioWare released the first details of the patch" - I don't care when the patch notes were released. When was the patch actually released?
  • I don't think File:Mass Effect 2 Collector's Edition.jpg adds anything.
  • Any indication of life time sales?
  • "Andrew Reiner, reviewer of Game Informer" - he's the reviewer of Mass Effect 2. "Andrew Reiner, writing for Game Informer", or something similar. Same for Juba. You also don't need to refer to everyone as reviewers, it's taken as said.
  • Read through the reception section, and make sure at no point you think, "who's this guy?" The one that most stuck out was "Brudvig concluded...", "The IGN review concluded..." would flow a lot better.
  • Why have you picked out IGN and Gametrailers GOTY's over the others? I'd drop them.
    • hahnchen 23:34, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your constructive criticism, much appreciated. I've addressed most of the issues you brought up. I've been looking for the life time sales since the GAN and I haven't found anything other than the VGChartz website, which is considered unreliable as far as I know. On the other hand, I don't think it's really necessary to include Morinth because she is not one of the main characters of the game and does not add anything meaningful to the plot subsection. Also, what do you exactly mean with a character list? Most video game articles use prose for their character subsection. Again, thank you for your time and interest. --Niwi3 (talk) 10:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I mentioned Morinth, because she's a possible squad member, and the only one you've omitted from the list. - hahnchen 17:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Character added. --Niwi3 (talk) 20:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 15:18, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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