Quantum economics (talk||history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

The article was proposed for deletion, I contested it but a decision was made, without consensus or further discussion, to merge with another article Econophysics. As explained on the Econophysics talk page, this is not an appropriate merger. I therefore ask that the decision be postponed until there has been a suitable discussion period. Sjm3 (talk) 12:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Endorse. The appellant is incorrect in all their claims. There was a full week of discussion, as required, and there was clear consensus. All agreed to the merge, except the appellant, who is also the author of the page, and whose 113 edits on en-wiki are almost all related to that article. A classic case of WP:SPA who is WP:NOTHERE to improve an encyclopedia, but likely to promote their own research. Owen× ☎ 13:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The claims I am making are that (a) there was no further discussion, and (b) this is not an appropriate merger. For (a) the editor says there was a full week of discussion, but there was no reply to my comment. This therefore seems a narrow definition of discussion, and in particular there was no further discussion of my comment. Further to the remark about my editing history, a decision about maintaining a page should surely be based on the content of the article. Note also that the article cites work by some 20 researchers. For (b), this is not an appropriate merger because quantum economics is not considered to be a branch of econophysics. The merge decision appears to be based on a single paper (and the only one published in the last five years) which mentions "quantum econophysics" in the title (Arioli and Valente, 2021). That 2021 paper in turn seems to have got the name "quantum econophysics" either from an unpublished paper from 2007 (Guevara, 2007) or a chapter in a 2014 book (Schinckus, 2014). More recent works do not appear to use this phrase. Quantum economics is distinct from econophysics because it does not focus exclusively on things like financial statistics and time series, but also considers broader effects from quantum social science such as quantum cognition and quantum game theory. Sjm3 (talk) 14:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Endorse - The discussion was open for the requisite period of time and the closure as merge is in line with the consensus. where one of the keep !votes agreed that a merge was also okay. -- Whpq (talk) 15:05, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please see my reply to the previous comment. The consensus excluded the author and there was no attempt to discuss with the author. I find it hard to understand how it is okay to merge one article with another when the author is giving specific reasons why the merge of the two subjects is inappropriate. Sjm3 (talk) 15:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You seem to be under the impression that the author of an article gets a veto on anything done with that article. I'm sorry, but that is not how Wikipedia works. There is no WP:OWNERship of pages here. Your opinion about that article carries as much weight as the opinion of anyone else about it. Or possibly less, seeing as you are woefully unaware of our policies and guidelines, and seem to be here solely to promote the subject matter of that article. Owen× ☎ 15:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please read my reply again. I am not claiming that authors should get a veto. I am saying it is inappropriate to merge an article with another, without further discussion, when the author is giving valid reasons why the fields are not the same. For the statements that I am "solely here to promote the subject" and not "to improve an encyclopedia", and so on, please note that the article is written in good faith, and also that Wikipedia benefits from the input of both specialists and generalists. Sjm3 (talk) 15:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Endorse per the above, with no prejudice against it being split out again when sufficient reliable sources have been identified such that it will no longer fit (either based on size or topic attributes) with the recently-targeted article. Jclemens (talk) 15:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Again, I have given reasons why the field is distinct from econophysics, here and on the page itself. What I had expected from the discussion process was that I would be told why the article was being deleted, and would be given a chance to address these concerns by answering comments and improving the manuscript. Instead a decision was simply made to merge with a page suggested by one of the editors. Rather than immediately merge the article with something inappropriate, I would therefore request the editors tell me what the article needs in order to work as a stand-alone article, and give me a reasonable opportunity to make those changes and additions. Further to "sufficient reliable sources" note that I have now added several, including some from a new journal Quantum Economics and Finance from Sage Publications. Sjm3 (talk) 16:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Endorse as a valid closure and as the correct result:
  • • Either Merge or Relist would have been valid conclusions by the closer.
    • The appellant says that the decision to Merge was made without consensus or further discussion. There was consensus. The reason that there was no further discussion is that the originator responded on day 6 out of the usual 7 days for discussion. The closer was not required to Relist because the originator only edits sporadically.
    • I'm a chemist, not an econophysicist, so I read the original article and the article that it was merged into. I concur with User:XOR'easter (who is a physicist) that quantum economics and econophysics are a variety of different related topics, and that there is no need for a separate article for each of them. So I would have !voted Merge if I had taken part in the AFD.
    • In other words, it is a valid merge. Econophysics is very much a mixed bag, and quantum economics is another element to go in the mixed bag.
    • DRV is not AFD Round 2, but the appellant is using DRV as AFD Round 2, and so is getting the further discussion that they requested (even if this is a misuse of DRV). So we have reason to know what a Relist would have done, which is to support the Merge. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Endorse as participant. A consensus was arrived at in the ordinary way and correctly evaluated. We're done here. XOR'easter (talk) 18:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Endorse was very clearly a merge result here. SportingFlyer T·C 21:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Endorse . Content headed for merger from an AfD can be rejected at the target article as an editorial decision. AfD can't decree insertion of unwanted content into an article if the consensus of editors on that article's talk page is to reject the addition. Therefore, this should be resolved editorially, and a deletion review is not needed. The consensus was to merge, but the practical outcome could be simple redirection. It is worth noting that this is one of the problems with using AfD to merge and with AFD merge outcomes. It's not a problem with the real and true merger process because that process considers the target article and is normally conducted on the target article's talk page (for this reason), while "merge AfDs" almost never seriously consider the target articles, as there is too strong of a focus on deletion/retention of the nominated article and it's difficult for participants to adopt the correct perspective that merging is keeping content.—Alalch E. 01:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Endorse consensus was clear to merge. However, relisting would have also been acceptable due to reasonable keep votes being present and relatively low attendance. What specific content is to be merged can be discussed at the target’s talk page. Frank Anchor 12:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Endorse. The discussion has already happened; DRV is not AFD round 2. Stifle (talk) 14:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]