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Improper keep close, discussion should have been closed as "merge" or "no consensus", or relisted. Closing admin ignored the concerns of a large number of editors who voted "Merge" pbp 19:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I think we're going round in circles now. Let's all assume there really isn't any consensus (which certainly seems to be the case here), in which case the de facto action is to keep. --Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:21, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
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I'm filing this on behalf of Super-staff (talk · contribs), due to this discussion on my user talk page. Super-staff pointed out that one of the Clone Manga webcomics has won a bronze medal at the 5th International Manga Awards, and I realised that this hadn't been discussed in the deletion discussion. Information about the award was added to the article on the 16th September, but this came after all the !votes in the discussion, and I didn't take the IMA into account in my close. Because I closed the discussion without fully being aware of the facts of the matter, I think there is a legitimate case to bring for deletion review. Super-staff and I disagree on the implications for notability that this award has, however. On one hand, Super-staff thinks that it provides a good case for notability of Clone Manga. On the other hand, I don't think that this case is so strong that a new deletion debate would be necessary. The English page for the awards is here, and the manga in question is titled NNN. I would like the community to help us in determining whether a new deletion debate is necessary or not. — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 14:46, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
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I wasn't following the discussion at the time, and having reviewed the discussion I certainly don't support the arguments that the page should be deleted. Creeping fascism is definitely notable in it's own right, contrary to bobraynor's statement, it labels the evolution toward Nazi Germany and labels what is happening in the West right now. A point was made that this is a neologism, which is arguable but perhaps a rationale criticism, however it appears from this that it was deleted as G3 Vandalism, which is ridiculous. I would like the opportunity to re-edit the page to ensure that it meets the standard required for inclusion. At a minimum, I would appreciate having it restored as User:Degrey1/Creeping fascism so that I can review and re-edit it. Degrey1 (talk) 12:02, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
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The page has been deleted based on an archived discussion PriyankaLewis (talk) 07:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)Priyanka Lewis Hello, The page Kumar Parakala has been deleted under criterion A8 following an archived discussion. The page was previously deleted following a discussion on 23rd May 2011. We created another page complying with all the rules of wikipedia, citing proper references but the page has again been deleted by The Rambling Man. Can you please look in to it and undelete the page soon.PriyankaLewis (talk) 07:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)Priyanka Lewis
Also mentioned is G4 criteria for deletion but i can assure you that the previous article was written by somebody else and bears no resemblance to the present article. The page that has been deleted is completely based on an archived discussion of a previous article and should be restored/undeleted. Please let me know if there are any issues that you would need clarification on. PriyankaLewis (talk) 07:50, 26 September 2012 (UTC)Priyanka Lewis
Its a biography of Living person and there are facts which would be similar in both the cases such as education or career outline. Now, that is something which we cannot change. However in the latest article, i can assure that all the citations and references have been properly included. The article has been written with a neutral point of view and there is not an element of promotion in there. The article did not even have a discussion or consensus before deletion. I would request Batard0 and The Rambling Man to provide the side by side comparison if they can. Regards PriyankaLewis (talk) 10:01, 26 September 2012 (UTC)Priyanka Lewis
I would agree to the fact mentioned above but my point is that the article was not created for promotional exercise. The article has a neutral point of view and complies with all the wikipedia rules and regulation. There is not an element in the whole article that advertises or promotes Kumar Parakala. Also when you mention significant coverage, not all the reference can be significant wide coverages. I have added references to prove his columnist career and others which include the facts mentioned. My request is that if you can please bring back the article I can add some more sources to it such as http://www.cxotoday.com/story/cios-need-to-be-more-assertive/ and work with wikipedia admins to make it better. Hut 8.5 Please advise. IPriyankaLewis (talk) 11:20, 26 September 2012 (UTC)Priyanka Lewis
The above sentences are picked up from the references that have been linked to it. They have the exact same sentences and it was used only because of it. the third one was used because these were the two countries that he has been columnist in. You can look at the citations please. These are facts and it seemed fine to use the sentences as they were mentioned. I request you to please help me out with it. I respect wikipedia as a community and would request a little more support from the admins here. If you can please help me make the article better i would be grateful to you. Please lets just help each other out. PriyankaLewis (talk) 13:33, 26 September 2012 (UTC)Priyanka Lewis
But that would require an alert message for partial infringement and not deletion. I have mentioned it before and i will mention it again, i am relatively new to wikipedia and if there is a way that you can help me make the article better by reviewing it and letting me edit it with what the problem is, i will gladly do it. Please all i ask for is assistance. I hope you will be considerate.PriyankaLewis (talk) 14:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)Priyanka Lewis
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Deleted without discussion in Nov 2011, my objection raised at that time was left unanswered by nominator, and ignored by the closing admin, who has now suggested me to "considering the span of time, just upload new, as if the original photo never existed" -- which doesn't make any sense, the original photo had existed since 2007, and it had existed for much longer than it had been deleted. My another account (talk) 19:38, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
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Closer seeks review of a CFD whose consensus contradicted a directly-related RFC.
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I am here to appeal the speedy deletion of page Bianca Jade which was deleted for the 3rd time on September 11, 2012 after it was nominated for speedy deletion. The page was recommended for speedy deletion under G4 criteria as “recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion.” Under this criterion, any page can be speedily deleted if it is a “sufficiently identical and unimproved copy.” However, G4 excludes “pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version.” I have also previously discussed this with the deleting administrator and have also notified them of this current discussion. I am here because I disagree that the revision that I submitted to the main space was substantially similar and therefore request undeletion of the page. I want to point out that I am not attempting to SPAM an article into Wikipedia as I feel that articles that do not meet notability guidelines should be deleted. The issue here is that I created a substantially “different” article than the 2nd one that was deleted after the discussion found here: [16]. I feel that the 2nd article was a victim of poor writing and sourcing and deserved to be deleted; however, I do not feel that the version that I submitted should be punished because of the 2nd version that was deleted. I would ask that you consider my comments below and undelete the page and return it to the main space or allow it to go through a 3rd deletion discussion on the merits of the 3rd draft that was submitted. First, I have no connection to the second article. I do not know when it was created or who created it. I do know that it was deleted after the deletion discussion found here [17]. I want to point out that the second article contained way too much promotional information about her website “MizzFIT.” As it was a BLP, it should contain information about her and not the website she endorses (with the exception of minor details showing what she does or if it attaches to notability). The article clearly promoted her website and therefore I would agree with the deletion comments that it was too promotional. The article also contained poor sourcing. Some sources were broken links, some were passing mentions, while others pointed to websites that had nothing to do with her (obvious notability masking). The article was recommended for deletion and ultimately deleted based on these two major issues. Now, the article that I submitted (which can currently be viewed in my sandbox here [18]), is substantially different than the 2nd article that was deleted. When writing the article, I started from scratch and made sure to keep out the promotional information. The article has the fluff from the 2nd article removed (which the deleting administrator also agreed that “fluff as well as the false references [were] edited/removed [19]) and also I went through and found each and every reference that is on the 3rd article. There are some minor references that I included that would not necessarily establish notability on their own; however, they support the content and the other references and actually link to REAL REFERENCES as opposed to the other version which was deleted. There may be some duplicate references from the 2nd article that I placed in the 3rd article, but that is because they are true references that support the content (not links that go all over the internet to anywhere but content about her). Based on the information above, I would request that the article be re-listed as it did not meet the G4 criteria that it was deleted under. Now, I would like to make a case to have it overturned completely as I feel the information that I have in the 3rd submission establishes notability for the article. I am including the exact wording as discussed with the deleting administrator.
Based on the information above, I would request at minimal that the article be undeleted and relisted. However, I would request based on my comments about the notability of the article that it be overturned and that the article be returned to the main space as an article that was a “keep” vote after a deletion discussion. Again, please do not judge the 3rd revision that I submitted based on the quality of the 2nd article. Thank you in advance and I appreciate anything that can be done here. HappyTwoBEE (talk) 14:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
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Closing admin responds to my request on their talk page "75% is consensus enough for me." In the closing no argument at all is given for the decision to close this way. This article was nmominated for a second AfD only 3 weeks following its first nomination, which ended with no consensus. In my view very little has changed in the discussion in the meantime. Also the fact that making a second nomination that closely following the first nom, although permissible, is usually highly inadvisable. __meco (talk) 08:22, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
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This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because Enedina Arellano Félix is a high-profile criminal, and the image has been used as a mug shot in the media to identify her. [27] I am not aware that there are any free images of her, let alone another image of her besides this one. In addition, the picture belongs to an international illegal militant organization (Tijuana Cartel), and such pictures are typically not covered by copyright law (as they cannot legally copyright their material) and therefore it may not need fair use. In that case, it may have no copyright. Anyways, I made sure to add a mugshot template and a fair use rationale plus the copyright template to add the image. I am aware that there was a previous image of Enedina that was uploaded to Commons when it shouldn't have. I don't know who did it but I was unaware that it infringed copyright materials. Pardon my horrible English. ComputerJA (talk) 01:33, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
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Please Delete - File appears to be cropped from this image viewable in Google's hosted LIFE magazine archives, copyright TIME Inc. Also seen here with LIFE mark on it. Note: The restoring Admin was likely unaware of this, and is now retired. Kiwipat (talk) 01:42, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
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I had the article imported from de:Ross Enamait, so I wasn't aware of its deletion history. Todays deletion was made because the article had been deleted earlier per deletion discussion (which I do not know). Former deletions were made due to "No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content)" and "Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject". As an author of four books (see article) and contributor to several others, quoted by several Google Scholar hits and producing 137,000 google hits, he should be important enough for WP, I think. --Antiachtundsechziger (talk) 10:46, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
deWP standards of notability are high, that is true. But it is also said that all named standards are sufficient but not necessary criteria of WP notability. Enamait's four books are completed by several google, google scholar and google books hits, see above. Would keeping the article do any harm, compared to loosing information by deleting? --Antiachtundsechziger (talk) 12:05, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
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The page was deleted because of a lack of outside sources. Please consider the following: “The Rise of the Anti-Talk Show” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/08/arts/television/the-rise-of-the-anti-talk-show.html?pagewanted=all "Scouring the City for a Laugh" http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703992704576305843684193256.html "Chris Gethard On IFC: 'Adopt-A-Comic' Program Bringing Comedian And Author To Cable Channel" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/chris-gethard-coming-to-ifc_n_1811575.html "Have you watched the Chris Gethard Show yet?" http://www.ifc.com/fix/2012/09/have-you-watched-the-chris-gethard-show-yet "The Carson of Cable Access: Comedian Chris Gethard throws a party on the public airwaves." http://nymag.com/arts/tv/features/chris-gethard-2012-4/ "Watch Ted Leo Play A Really Awesome Chris Gethard Show" http://stereogum.com/961721/watch-ted-leo-play-a-really-awesome-chris-gethard-show/video/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phanink (talk • contribs) 05:36, 14 September 2012 (UTC) "IFC Developing Series Based on Comedian Chris Gethard's 'Bad Idea' Book" http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ifc-developing-series-based-comedian-364021 "Last Night, Tina Fey, Seth Meyers, And Others Surprised One Of Their Biggest Fans On Public Television" http://www.mediaite.com/tv/last-night-tina-fey-seth-meyers-and-others-surprised-one-of-their-biggest-fans-on-public-television/ "Why I Love The Chris Gethard Show (and you should, too)" http://austin.culturemap.com/newsdetail/09-02-11-15-12-why-i-love-the-chris-gethard-show-and-you-should-too/ "The Chris Gethard Show" http://www.timeout.com/newyork/comedy/the-chris-gethard-show "No Cool Kids": Inside the Insane, Unpredictable World of The Chris Gethard Show http://splitsider.com/2011/10/no-cool-kids-inside-the-insane-unpredictable-world-of-the-chris-gethard-show/ "The Chris Gethard Show Is The Best Cable Access TV You’re Not Watching" http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/the-chris-gethard-show-is-the-best-cable-access-tv-youre-not-watching/#ZEOPJHTXFTFL6QlA.99 Peter Hanink 05:24, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
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I dunno if 6 years is a record for a DRV, but I looked at this closure because the deletion of these categories was cited as a precedent at a recent related CfD. I ask that a new CFD discussion be opened to consider these categories again, both to to reassess consensus after 6 years, and because the October 2006 CFDs were flawed. Note that I have not attempted to discuss this with the closing admin, because after 6 years I think that it would be inappropriate for an admin to unilaterally overturn their own decision in an oft-cited case such as this. I found 3 problems here: 1) lack of reference to a directly-relevant Wikipedia guideline; 2) fragmented discussion; 3) closure did not reflect discussion. The first thing that struck me was that in most cases there was no assessment of the category against of the relevant guideline, viz. WP:Cat gender (here is the version at the time of the CFD). At that time, that guideline said:
This guidance has remained stable since then. The current version uses very similar wording. In one of the discussions, the nominator linked to it in hir rationale as "per policy against gendered categories". As pointed out by one editor, "this is a misapplication of the gender policy at best". That assertion was not contested, but because it was down at the bottom of the page, it may not have been seen by participants in the 4 others discussions. Guidelines are not prescriptive, but they are intended to describe an existing consensus. A discussion may decide to reject that wider consensus, or to create a limited exception to it, but a discussion which does not even consider that wider consensus is flawed. These discussions made completely inadequate reference to the guidelines at the time, and the nominations all wrongly implied that it was a blanket ban. The next thing that struck me was that on this page, 5 separate discussions considered a set of similar categories. Exactly the same rationale was applied in each case, to categories which raised no separate issues: they should have discussed together. The talk page guidelines at the time did not include the current WP:MULTI, but in hindsight it is clear that fragmentation of discussion here was unhelpful. In any case, the practice of grouping related CFDs was already in use at that time: on the same page there is a group nomination of 3 Big Brother categories. Thirdly, the closures are perverse in several respects. No explanation was provided for any of the 5 closures, so there is no evidence that the closer noticed the misrepresentation of the relevant guidelines. The closer does not appear to have considered the problems caused by the fragmentation of discussion, and does not even appear to have weighed the fragmented discussions accurately.For example, in the section on Actresses by nationality, the point was made that "gender is a significant distinction in acting", and that argument was not contested. So the closure was flawed it was weighing arguments ... and if it was (wrongly) counting votes, then it was wrong too, because the tally in that section was 5 deletes (including nominator) and 4 "keeps". 5-4 is not a supermajority. I believe that the correct close of this group of discussions would have been either "keep" or "no consensus". Finally, on the substantive point. We have long had the guidance quoted above. If editors really believe that this is not a case where "gender has a specific relation to the topic" or that it is not possible to write "a substantial and encyclopedic head article" on the topic of actresses (as distinct from male actors), then that case needs to be finally made and discussed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:57, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
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Overturn decision (that renamed the original category Category:Ancient Jewish Roman history to the new name of Category:Jews and Judaism in the Roman Empire) because of 1 Insufficient WP:CONSENSUS to change this key parent category. 2 The original nomination was hasty with little input from WP:EXPERT editors and displayed a very poor grasp of the total scope of the WP:Category tree in place here, their structure and their purpose: 3 We are dealing with different super parent categories. Thus Category:Jewish history (that deals not just with "Jews and Judaism" but with many other events) is not the same as Category:Jews and Judaism (that deals almost exclusively with the Jews and their religion Judaism). 4 The long-standing parent category for the category in question was and remains Category:Ancient Jewish history with the main sub-categories being Category:Ancient Jewish Egyptian history; Category:Ancient Jewish Greek history; Category:Ancient Jewish Persian history, and Category:Ancient Jewish Roman history should be here, and not be renamed to something it was not meant to be. 5 The category contains many sub-categories and articles that are legitimately part of Jewish history but are not part of "Jews" per se and have nothing to do with "Judaism", such as Category:Roman governors of Syria and most of Category:Jesus and history. 6 The current name makes errors about historical facts essentially transgressing WP:VERIFY, such as: 7 The contact between Rome and the Jews in history was not just related to the period of the Roman Empire (see article:) "The Roman Empire = 27 BC - 476 AD" -- whereas the Jews of ancient Judea were interacting with ancient Rome centuries earlier -- and that is covered by the correct name Ancient Rome ("a thriving civilization that began growing on the Italian Peninsula as early as the 8th century BC" ! So the nominator confused things by coming up with the title of only one period of Ancient Rome's history. 8 There were three CfDs above the one here, all by the same nominator to rename topics, that dealt with relatively minor topics that were not renamed, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 July 14#Category:Jews of Roman Alexandria; Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 July 14#Category:Roman-era Alexandrians; Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 July 14#Category:Roman era Jews, that were mercifully spared, but unfortunately, the most important one of all in the 4 he nominated was changed. 9 Not just that, but it was decided by a tiny group of 3 votes while the rest of the Judaic editors had no chance to be informed of this vote at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism#Categories. 10 No notification was posted at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism that would have drawn in more expert editors but it's obvious that the WP pieces of good advice such as WP:COMPETENCE and WP:EXPERT were not in display. Finally The closing admin was previously contacted, see User talk:Timrollpickering/Archive 16#CfD closure RE: Category:Ancient Jewish Roman history, and informed about this DRV [32]. I have also informed the original nominator of this DRV [33]. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 22:18, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
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FOP in Canada covers 3D work (this plaque should qualify (I hope that it is similar to other photos from this account), as even coins are counted as 3D objects), Fastily retired, so (s)he was not notified. Bulwersator (talk) 21:09, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
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FOP in Canada covers 3D work (this plaque should qualify (I hope that it is similar to other photos from this account), as even coins are counted as 3D objects), Fastily retired, so (s)he was not notified. Bulwersator (talk) 21:09, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
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Raleigh Moncrief is an American musician. An administrator speedy deleted the page because of WP:CSD#A7 ("no indication of importance"). And after requesting undeletion of the article at WP:UNDELETE#Raleigh Moncrief, I was navigated here. As quoted before, A7 "does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance." Please take a look at the cache of the deleted page, especially the references. There are already "multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself" WP:BAND. -- 122.18.254.172 15:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
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Dr. Mckinley is a notable composer in the world of contemporary classical music. He has received multiple awards and commissions, has had his music played in multiple respected venues worldwide by noteworthy ensembles (including the Martinů_Quartet, the Minnesota_Orchestra, and the Warsaw_Philharmonic), and is also the son of a notable composer as well (William_Thomas_McKinley) The deleting editor (talk) redirected me to here upon my request for undeletion. Some references: http://composers.com/elliott-miles-mckinley http://www.allmusic.com/album/elliott-miles-mckinley-string-quartets-mw0002177674 http://www.allmusic.com/album/elliott-miles-mckinley-string-quartets-mw0001553691 http://www.iue.edu/people/bio/bio.php?bio=elmmckin http://www.elliottmilesmckinley.com/Elliott_Miles_McKinley_-_Composer/Home.html http://archive.org/details/iuma-elliott_miles_mckinley http://www.earwormimprov.com/earWorm/Members.html http://www.composersforum.org/members/directory/elliott-miles-mckinley http://iacmusic.com/artist.aspx?id=33701 http://www.amc.net/ElliottMilesMcKinley http://music.wvu.edu/faculty_staff/george_willis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.160.13.240 (talk) 02:45, 6 September 2012 (UTC) 149.160.13.240 (talk) 20:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC) (as soon as I saved this it was immediately reverted by a different member.[36] Unsure why, I have reverted it back)
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Article nominated for lack of notability. After discussion, there appeared to be two sources with some level of significant coverage, a magazine that reviewed the game (with unknown reliability) and a reliable Australian magazine that that included a demo and some coverage of a early version of the game. Although the Keeps outweigh the deletes (which was the user's reason that closed the AfD when I discussed it with him) many of the keeps have been based upon poor reasoning. I think it's reasonable to say that there isn't a clear consensus yet. 31.220.203.74 (talk) 23:09, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
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The article was nominated for deletion because though independent reliable sources appear in the article, they don't provide "significant coverage" per WP:GNG since, as I explained in my reviews of the sources in the nomination, all of them are one-sentence mentions of the character's name, clearly identified in GNG as "trivial". The issue was serious enough that it was notified years before by another user at the article talk page (without being adressed). Yet the AfD was closed on "keep". While there are indeed only keep !votes, the problem is that neither of them addressed the lack of significant coverage. Per WP:AFDFORMAT, participants are asked to "explain how the article meets/violates policy" rather than merely stating it does, and I don't see any explanation as to the "how". First comment states "despite the nominator's arguments, the sources included should be enough to pass WP:GNG" (and the reason for that is left for the reader to guess), later a "Per first comment" (username omitted), then "Appears to have appropriate independent, reliable sourcing sufficient to meet WP:GNG", then "The article does have multiple reliable, third-party sources that are independent of the subject" (does not even mention "significance"). One comment states "the nominator's claim that sources 2, 5 and 6 are primary sources is debatable" yet the following keep comment disagrees ("While I don't think the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide books are independent..."). The most disturbing comment is the last, which states "It seems to me that the nominator's reasons, if accepted, would mean that there would rarely be articles on fictional characters in fictional universes, or in game universes". Since my nomination was based on WP:GNG, does that mean that, per this comment, the GNG wouldn't apply to fiction ? Taking that into account for the close would have repercussions on GNG... None of the "keep" comments satisfyingly adress the nomination, and though sticking to his close, the closing admin even acknowledges that these were not idea arguments[37]. Anyone looking at the article can see it only has 3 or 4 sentences that are not plot summary, I think there was ground for a "per WP:LOCALCONSENSUS" close on delete. If too extreme, then I think maybe a no consensus without prejudice to merge would also have been appropriate. But in any case I think there is a need to adress the fact that the comments did not follow WP:AFDFORMAT, and since AfDs are not votes but are based on "strenght of arguments", "keep" was far from being the only possible outcome (weak arguments can be ignored). Folken de Fanel (talk) 22:02, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
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Deletion review didn't take into account substantial importance given to the Reddy and his actions in international news media, books, and academic literature, as well as independent notability. Anirvan (talk) 18:27, 3 September 2012 (UTC) The deletion of the article about California landlord and sex/labor trafficker Lakireddy Bali Reddy was predicated on the BLP1E policy, but (a) that's not a blanket policy to erase all people who are best known for a single incident (otherwise we'd have deleted Rodney King), and (b) Reddy is a public figure notable for other reasons. Here are the facts that didn't come up in the AFD discussion:
Thanks for your input! I made sure to checked with closing admin Joe Decker, and you can read his comments here.
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
This is a talk page deleted by a retired admin per G8, but this page is referenced in Wikipedia:Pornography and may fall under {{G8-exempt}}. Please undelete the page and add the {{G8-exempt}} template if you feel that is appropriate. Thanks! —D'Ranged 1 talk 02:43, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |