Limbomaniacs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD))

Same procedure as below. Want to use it as a basis for a new article. hexaChord² 03:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Any chance of a source which suggests these guys might meet WP:NMG? Stifle (talk) 12:33, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• The sole useful edit has been copied to a user subpage. Note: That first edit included an apparently fictitious pagemove-vandalism warning and an inappropriate otheruses tag. This raises the probability that the edit was itself a copy/paste and may not be reliable. The contents should be carefully scrutinized and independently verified before being used anywhere. Rossami (talk) 13:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Freekbass (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD))

Please undelete and put to my namespace. I want to take this as a basis for a new article. HexaChord (talk) 21:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Overturn and Userfy no reason not to do that.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Here is the total content at time of deletion. 'Freekbass is a Cincinnati, Ohio based band who's namesake is their vocalist/bass player frontman "Freekbass".' I don't see that as particularly helpful to a new article, personally, but if you can find evidence that they now meet Wikipedia's generally accepted inclusion criteria for musicians, have at it. Rossami (talk) 23:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Ok, sorry, thought it was a bit more info *gg*. hexaChord² 00:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Commando Krav Maga (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD))

Article was put up for Speedy deletion again however the article was re-worked and any advert was ommitted. Many additional references were added and subject is worth notability in the world of martial arts. Commando Krav Maga is an independant system from the general Israeli fighting system of Krav Maga and should be listed separately instead of as a sub-heading. Combatsurvival (talk) 20:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Overturn and keep. I know nothing about the topic, but I see a well-written and sourced article. Since I wouldn't know it from anything, my reaction is that it looks notable, verifiable, and otherwise an example of an article worthwhile in Wikipedia.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Close this discussion. The article was discussed and decided in an AfD in June 2008. It was recreated earlier today. While it was tagged for speedy-deletion, that speedy was declined. There is nothing for Deletion Review to review. Incidentally, the rewritten version is now up for a second AfD discussion.

Archibald Leech (football coach) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD)) John E. Fries (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD)) Max Holm (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD)) Graydon Long (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD)) William McCracken (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD)) Harold Hunt (football coach) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD)) Bill Carroll (football coach) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD)) Jim Paramore (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD)) Jake Cabell (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD))

Article was deleted en massse as described at the West Precedent Essay, listing Walter J. West (among other articles) as precedence to delete. West and many of the other articles have subsequently been restored. Upon further research,significant improvements, information and additional sources have been found and added to the article. Please review at User:Paulmcdonald/Archibald Leech (football coach) for details. Paul McDonald (talk) 18:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• The other articles can be reviewed at:
  • User:Paulmcdonald/John E. Fries
  • User:Paulmcdonald/Graydon Long
  • User:Paulmcdonald/William McCracken
  • User:Paulmcdonald/Harold Hunt (football coach)
  • User:Paulmcdonald/Bill Carroll (football coach)
  • User:Paulmcdonald/Jim Paramore
  • User:Paulmcdonald/Jake Cabell

Question, the improved article says he "stayed on as a professor at the college" aftee his one year as a coach at Geneva College. Professor of what, and what business? (checking from the refs, I see he was a [physician, and VP of a local bank). What part of this career is notable? I'm going to use this article for some more general questions.

1. is being the coach of one of the less important football teams for one year notable by itself? If it is, why isn't being a professor for one year at a small college notable by itself. WP is not a faculty directory, and ditto for sports.
2. is being an important player on a small college team notable by itself? Is being the starplayer of the year on a school college team notable by itself. DGG (talk) 20:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

this is in reference to Archibald Leech --the combining of the Del Revs, below, made my qy unclear. DGG (talk) 21:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• I have combined these related requests into one DRV. Stifle (talk) 12:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep deleted in each case; verifiable but not notable (by reference to the agreed community standards, as against CFBN etc.). Stifle (talk) 12:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I believe that combining these into one discussion is a very bad idea. Part of the reason that many of these articles were deleted in the first place is because they were combined into many AfDs all at once (I believe the total count was 72 articles in a short period of time). So far, a full one-fourth of those articles have been rapidly restored or merged into other existing articles when they were found to have professional careers or other widely recognizable feats such as induction in the college football hall of fame. The bulk nomination process, in this case, was a huge hindrance and not a help. If it is insisted that these articles be handled as a bulk discussion, I will ask them to be closed by the nominator (myself) and then re-introduce them one at a time so that they can be discussed each on their own merits.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think we need to cede some to practicality. The prospect of making 9 different comments on 9 different DRV threads on 9 relatively similar subjects was daunting. We are likely to see more participation with one discussion. Protonk (talk) 16:03, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I'd support allowing recreation of Bill Carroll, as he was head coach at at the University of Oklahoma for the Track & Field and Cross Country teams. That's a HC position at a major university as opposed to the others. Neutral on the rest for now, although I personally wouldn't mind them being recreated as an argument can be made for their notability. VegaDark (talk) 16:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• I don't have a problem restoring the following: User:Paulmcdonald/William McCracken, User:Paulmcdonald/Bill Carroll (football coach). I'm on the fence about User:Paulmcdonald/Harold Hunt (football coach). The rest seem very thin on biographical material in the sources--mostly sourced to lists of wins or material from the college. I could very easily be wrong about Harold Hunt (as I can't see all the sources and the thing mentioned in the lead might be enough), but most of them don't seem to be covered in reliable, independent sources in significant detail. Protonk (talk) 16:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Separate When they have different degrees of notability, the discussion cannot usefully be combined. I suggest we start over, first doing the ones for whom specific individual notability has been claimed by various people above. DGG (talk) 21:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed I'd like to ask an admin to close this and I'll resubmit, one at a time and not submit the next one until the last one closes. There are multiple schools, multiple time periods, and -- as DGG says, multiple degrees of notability. There's just no way to lump them together into one discussion and still be fair.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• I'll do you one better. I've restored Harold Hunt (football coach), Bill Carroll (football coach), and William McCracken. The rest are borderline to not notable, so relist them at your convenience, but as they stand I don't think it would be worth your while to bring them into mainspace. Protonk (talk) 03:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm happy with that.--Paul McDonald (talk) 07:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]