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Category:Hello Girls

Nominator's rationale: Delete and recategorize; this is supposed to be a category for what is known as "Hello Girls" who were switchboard operators but also has women who seemingly had nothing to do with it - not sure how it helps with navigation. Biographical articles should be diverted to Category:Switchboard operators and Category:Telegraphists where appropriate. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Windmills 1400-1800

more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: merge, up to 1800 these are mostly one-article categories, unhelpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge - Although my gut feeling was to keep, having so many categories with only one or two articles in seems overkill. In most cases, I don't see there being much impact from merging these categories as proposed. Gazamp (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Needs more participation to form consensus.
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Virtual reality -> Extended reality

Nominator's rationale: Those categories should cover the broader reality-virtuality continuum, so that's why i'm proposing a mass-rename of several virtual reality-related categories. Especially that the mixed reality market has started booming after Apple's $3499 magnum opus and Meta's first ever consumer-oriented mixed reality headset. However, the case with "Virtual reality pioneers -> Extended reality people" is that they are not exclusively pioneering those technologies but can have various different associations with them. Oh, and, also that there are barely any augmented or mixed reality-related categories. 67.209.128.52 (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas

Nominator's rationale: This is a subcategory of Category:Pro-Russian people of the war in Donbas and has a subcategory Category:Pro-Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas. The War in Donbas involved Russian separatist forces in Ukraine who were not all part of the Russian military.
An alternative would be to change Category:Pro-Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas to Category:Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas as proposed as a speedy nomination.
Related speedy discussion
TSventon (talk) 20:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Just purge?
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Biota by biogeographic realm

Nominator's rationale: Consistency with all other biota categories. In fact, one of the nominated categories was an exact duplicate. I'm not sure if the ocean-based ones should be suffixed with realm, as their parent categories are not. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would also oppose the three names Category:Flora of the Tropical Atlantic, Category:Flora of the Tropical Eastern Pacific and Category:Flora of the Western Indo-Pacific as being confusing with existing well-defined WGSRPD categories such as Category:Flora of the Pacific and Category:Flora of tropical Asia and their subcategories. Declangi (talk) 09:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Declangi's comment? I am not seeing objections to renaming the other 64 categories.
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Category:Hexactinosa

Nominator's rationale: According to WoRMS, and as described at Hexactinellida, Hexactinosa is no longer in use; it is polyphyletic, and its former members have been split between Sceptrulophora and Dactylocalycidae. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:00, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ice hockey in Venezuela

Nominator's rationale: Contains only the national team article. The article is already appropriately categorized in the parent categories. Delete per WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge or delete? Clear consensus this category should not exist.
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Category:Newman family

Nominator's rationale: This soap opera family is highly ambiguous given two matching categories of real families with the same name. Mike Selinker (talk) 03:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Category:Victor Newman family as the rename target? Clear consensus that a new name is needed.
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Category:Fadrique family

Nominator's rationale: delete, largely overlapping with Category:Counts of Salona. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Cplakidas's comment?
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Category:Sportspeople from Judea and Samaria District

Nominator's rationale: To match the article Judea and Samaria Area. Not technically a district. Same with the child category Category:Footballers from Judea and Samaria District Prezbo (talk) 21:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Footballers from Judea and Samaria District.
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Category:Intersectional feminists

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between being a feminist and a type of feminism. At the very least, the child categories need to be purged/restored to the parent category. For example, being a Jewish feminist doesn't mean that they're an intersectional feminist. SMasonGarrison 01:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: merge or delete?
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WP:DISNEY categories

Nominator's rationale: All files, templates, etc. are of NA importance to WP:DISNEY. Redundant to e.g. Category:File-Class Disney pages. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 09:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: since I don't want to soft delete eight categories.
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Category:Black feminists

Nominator's rationale: I'm on the fence between deletion and renaming. SMasonGarrison 01:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per various CfD's for the deletion of Category:Black people. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Video games with custom soundtrack support

Nominator's rationale: This is a non-"defining" trait. All articles I checked in the category do not even mention this feature, nevertheless in such a way that "defines" the game or would warrant inclusion in the lede. No change in the five years since the last discussion. Games like Audiosurf and Musika are covered by the (strangely titled) Category:Music generated games and do not need this custom soundtrack category. czar 19:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Category:Disasters in the Russian Empire by year

Nominator's rationale: Not enough content for a "by year" structure. Merge per WP:NARROW. I selectively chose Asia/Europe as a target based on the content in the categories. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:26, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Baseball venues in East Texas

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCLOCATION User:Namiba 18:53, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:World Rugby Sevens Series venues

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE and recent discussions. User:Namiba 18:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1801 disasters in the United Kingdom

Nominator's rationale: Not enough content for a "by year" structure in these years. Merge per WP:NARROW
Note: Don't need to merge to C:Y in the UK since the articles are already in C:Y in England/Scotland/Wales. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Maghreb stubs

Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category, not approved by WikiProject stub sorting. As always, stub categories are not free for just any user to create on a whim for just any topic of their choosing -- a stub category requires at least 60 articles in it before it can be created, so its creation has to be authorized by the WikiProject in order to ensure that there are actually enough articles to justify it. But this didn't go through the proper process, and was created solely to parent the Maghrebian people stubs category that has been listed below for similar reasons.
The template is completely unused, further, and there's no prospect of finding 60 articles for it -- virtually any possible use of this template would already be tagged with country-specific stub tags as it is, without needing this alongside that. Bearcat (talk) 16:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The answer to this has been mentioned here. Riad Salih (talk) 16:25, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Disasters in Italy by year

Nominator's rationale: Does not need a "by year" structure for these years. Merge/delete per WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:16, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Maghrebian people stubs

Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category, not approved by WikiProject stub sorting. As always, stub categories are not free for just any user to create on a whim for just any topic of their choosing -- a stub category requires at least 60 articles in it before it can be created, so its creation has to be authorized by the WikiProject in order to ensure that there are actually enough articles to justify it.
But this didn't go through the proper process, and has only one article in it with little prospect of finding 59 others -- the Maghreb is a multi-country region in northwest Africa, meaning that almost any potential entries for this would already be tagged for a specific country ({{Algeria-bio-stub}}, {{Tunisia-bio-stub}}, {{Morocco-bio-stub}}, etc.) anyway. (There were two other people here when I first found it, but one was reclassifiable as Algeria and one wasn't a stub at all, and three still isn't 60 anyway.)
And even the template is of questionable necessity if it can't support its own dedicated category -- the one article here just describes the subject as Maghrebi without containing any more specific information about where in the Maghreb he came from (and thus can't be reclassified to a specific Maghreb country), so the template would be defensible if somebody's got a good idea for where else it can upfile him to. But I'm still bundling it here for the sake of discussion, and it can't have its own dedicated category without at least 59 more people than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:09, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Bearcat
The category can accommodate more than 60 articles easy. Its primary purpose is to address and prevent the non-editing conflicts between Algerian and Moroccan contributors regarding the term "مغربي" (Maghrebi), which is often mistranslated as "Moroccan."
It is not historically accurate to use labels such as Algerian, Moroccan, or Tunisian for people who lived before the establishment of these states. Historically, the people of the Maghreb region traveled and settled and served in various cities across the region, making clarification in such cases impossible.
The correct and most appropriate category for these individuals is Maghrebian people. Both Western and Arabic sources consistently use the terms "Maghrebi" or "North African" to describe individuals from this region, rather than the modern labels of Algerian, Moroccan, or Tunisian, which are relatively recent and impossible to adopt here.
So I created this category is to ensure historical precision and avoid misclassification. There is no valid way to attribute people from the Maghreb to modern-day countries, especially for periods before the 17th century. This category provides an accurate and neutral way to represent those people. Riad Salih (talk) 16:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not enough to simply assert that it "can accommodate" 60 articles it if it doesn't actually have 60 articles in it now — any category "can accommodate" any number of articles by definition, but that isn't in and of itself proof that we actually have enough articles for it. So it's not a question of what might be theoretically possible, it's a question of how much content is actually in the category now. And you're not free to just create new stub categories yourself without following the proper process, either.
So if you want the category to exist, then your job is to (a) follow the proper process of getting it approved by the WikiProject first, and (b) ensure that it already has at least 60 articles in it the moment I see it in the first place.Bearcat (talk) 16:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They are often randomly labeled as Algerian, Moroccan, Tunisian, etc., depending on the conflicts between countries, each of which claims belonging to modern nations. A reclassification would certainly have more than 60 possible entries. The North African wikiprojects are rarely active to not say dead so Wikipedia:Be bold. Riad Salih (talk) 16:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's the stub sorting WikiProject that has to approve stub categories, not the North African wikiprojects, so the deadness of the North African wikiprojects isn't a legitimate reason to bypass proposing a stub category to the stub sorting wikiproject first. Bearcat (talk) 16:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest I dont think that the stub sorting WikiProject can effectively deal with this without involments from editors very knowledgeable about North Africa region or those directly concerned with the region. However, I would have greatly appreciated if you had initiated a discussion instead of directly proposing deletion or modifying the stubs in the articles. Given the long-standing edit wars surrounding these topics, I saw it both logical and necessary to focus on a clear categorization. Riad Salih (talk) 16:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Disasters in Iceland by year

Nominator's rationale: There is only 1 article in this tree. Merge/delete per WP:NARROW. The lone article is already in Category:Earthquakes in Iceland. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Disasters in Austria by year

Nominator's rationale: Very few disasters by year. Merge up for better navigation. WP:NARROW.
Note: OPEC siege (1975 article) is already in Category:1975 murders in Austria and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1975. The 2020 and 2021 categories only contain COVID-19 pandemic in Austria and do not need to be merged to C:Y disasters in Europe. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Events about intersex

Rename
At speedy, User:LIrala proposed option A but I would rather go for option B. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Maritime disasters in Kent

Nominator's rationale: Merge with parent category because I'm not sure if this has anything to do directly with Kent. The waters off Kent or near it but not with it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Dolní Bousov

Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 09:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Introductions by year

Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated mostly single-article categories, unhelpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge at least the ones without subcategories. You gatta be careful with the subcategories, since some are big enough on their own — Category:Literary characters introduced in 1599, for example, contains 7 pages. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:33, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ante-Nicene Christian martyrs

Nominator's rationale: per parent Category:Ancient Christian saints and Category:Ancient Christians. Also, the category tree contains articles well beyond the First Council of Nicaea. For example Abda and Abdisho died in 376. After the rename, Category:5th-century Christian martyrs can be added as a subcategory too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: isn't there a distinct purpose in a category for Christians martyred prior to the widespread adoption of Christianity in the Roman Empire? I realize that the date for this is a bit fuzzy, but the Council of Nicaea seems as reasonable a date as any. Those martyred afterward would seem to have been martyred for different reasons—perhaps a case could be made for including those martyred by Romans who had yet to convert, though Abda and Abdisho apparently were martyred for a different reason and beyond Roman borders, so they and some others could probably be removed from this category.
Perhaps the solution could be a category titled "Ancient Christian martyrs" with a subcategory for Ante-Nicene martyrs, and which would separately include late Roman (or other) martyrs such as Abda and Abdisho. That would simply be a revision to the "martyr tree", so to speak. I note that I come at this from a non-Christian perspective; I am not particularly fond of the concept of martyrdom, but it is a valid topic in religious history, and it seems to make sense to distinguish between those who were martyred due to anti-Christian persecution by Romans and those martyred post-persecution elsewhere (*wonders if there are Post-Nicene pagan martyrs*). If this category is not preserved, then that distinction would be lost, and probably not to the benefit of the reader. P Aculeius (talk) 11:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • There are enough articles just mentioning a death in the 4th century without specifying whether it was before or after 325, so the distinction isn't clear anyway. Besides Christianity became an accepted religion quite a few years before Nicaea. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      Before the reign of Constantine (312–337) Christianity was widely persecuted, so there would have been many Christians martyred within the Roman empire. Though various dates from 311 (edict of Serdica) to 337 (death, and alleged deathbed conversion of Constantine, who may or may not have adopted Christianity informally as early as 312) could be used, the council of Nicaea, which he convened in 325, is a significant date in establishing a degree of uniformity for Christian worship, and probably did more to promote its acceptance than dubious stories about the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. After this it would be rare for Christians to be martyred within the Roman Empire, though of course they could be anywhere else that Christianity wasn't yet tolerated or adopted, and would continue to be for centuries. So it makes good sense to distinguish martyrs before 325 and after—or at least martyrs due to Roman persecution, which probably did not end all at once as soon as some decree was issued at Rome, though it probably had by the end of Constantine's reign—from later martyrs elsewhere. P Aculeius (talk) 17:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • So what do you suggest we do with Category:4th-century Christian martyrs with its many articles not specifying a year or specifying a year after 325? Should this subcategory be purged? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:46, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        Since some of the contents of "4th-century Christian martyrs" are ante-Nicene, it can remain as a subcategory, the same as "Ford" could remain under "20th-century automobile manufacturers" even though it continues in business in the 21st century. Subcategories will often be partial matches for multiple parent categories. P Aculeius (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        • But then the difference with "Ancient" as proposed is only the 5th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:18, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
          Assuming that the 5th century topic includes the entire century, then "Ancient Christian martyrs" would cover a span of about 450 years—about 275 before Nicaea, 175 after. That doesn't seem unreasonable as a division of the span, since each group would tend to share certain characteristics—most ante-Nicene martyrs would have been martyred in the Roman Empire either as part of or inspired by official persecutions; post-Nicaea most Christian martyrs would have been martyred elsewhere or for other reasons. P Aculeius (talk) 17:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Vaporware video games

Nominator's rationale: There is a variety of issues that I have with this category: First of all, someone has removed titles that have been released a couple months back like Team Fortress 2 or Duke Nukem Forever. Also, vaporware is only a slang term for software that is takes very long to make and is often simply left abandoned (this may cause confusion with the similar term abandonware). The status of individual games in this category also varies: some are currently in active development and have not confirmed to be cancelled, some are just simply officially cancelled, while others are unreleased unknowingly cancelled. This could actually make for a new Unreleased video games category; which would only include video games that are unreleased yet not known to be officially cancelled. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Future dialects

Nominator's rationale: Highly dubious categorization; no "catmain" and I could not find any scholarly sources for the sublect. Not to say that not a single item is about a dialect, but about a work of fiction in which allegedly a new dialect is introduced. --Altenmann >talk 03:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Guancha

Nominator's rationale: According to WoRMS, Guancha has been synonymized with Clathrina. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:16, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Communities named for Preston Brooks

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCASSOC, WP:SHAREDNAME, & WP:NONDEFINING
Preston Brook really had nothing to do with these 3 towns other than them being later named in his honor. While it's astonishing that communities are still named after him, it's not defining. The biography article mentions the 3 towns, and the town articles mention him, should any reader be interested in this naming topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Travelers Protective Association of America

Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT, WP:OCASSOC, & WP:MFN
The only articles in this category are Travelers Protective Association of America and First Christian Church (Clinton, Kentucky). The latter is included because members of the TPAA donated a stained glass window. (No objection to recreating later should more content emerge.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Electronics industry in the Philippines

Nominator's rationale: Contains only a navbox, whose only contents are companies. Abandoned by its creator, and initially had itself as a subcategory. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:IAC (company)

Nominator's rationale: Rename, main article has been at IAC Inc. for over a year. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:30, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:International baseball competitions in Europe by year

Nominator's rationale: Nothing about these categories is "by year". Completely redundant categories that are not needed. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:28, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:33, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An Alternate suggestion would be to rename as "Seasons in X" rather than "X per Year", since that is what essentially end up being categorized, rather than per initially intentioned names. Respublik (talk) 07:35, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Quelle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10