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Category:Extinct volcanoes of Oregon

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:56, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category currently holding just one article. While there are some other Oregon volcanoes sitting in the parent category, meaning that this is technically populatable, it's less clear that this would actually be useful -- there are no other "extinct volcanoes of [U.S. state]" subcategories for any other state, and with just 56 articles (plus the one here for 57 total) the parent category isn't large enough to require diffusion by state at all. (The article is already in the Category:Volcanoes of Oregon tree, so no upmerging in that direction is needed.) Bearcat (talk) 19:37, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Constituent country

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:56, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I don't believe this is an official or widely used term for any of these inclusions, I can't think what the inclusion criteria would be and this has proved a controversial designation in Wikipedia in the past. I don't believe there would be consensus that it is meaningfully a thing. Mutt Lunker (talk) 17:39, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, the term is not employed at https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/constituent-parts-of-the-uk-and-membership-of-the-european-union Mutt Lunker (talk) 19:19, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Winners in the Survivor franchise

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The result of the discussion was: Merge/Delete - There is No Consensus to delete both. Feel free to start a new separate nom at editorial discretion. - jc37 01:31, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate of the existing Category:Survivor (franchise) winners and Category:Survivor (American TV series) winners. George Ho (talk) 12:41, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Listify?
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Relisting comment: Consensus thus far is in favor of deletion, but there remain unaddressed objections to that outcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:14, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nom's comment - You know what? By default, let's delete/merge just the category I nominated as a duplicate and say "no consensus" to the one that Marcocapelle nominated. What it's supposed to be a simple and short plan turned into draggy, convoluted mess that we're now in, especially by allowing other issues about reality TV genre in this project to seep through this discussion. --George Ho (talk) 03:30, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment on Expanded Nom The target category was tagged after the original nomination and I'm firmly against deleting both. Reality contestants typically get 30 minutes of fame and are notable for little else. That contrasts with professional actors with one role after another that would cause category clutter if not for WP:PERFCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:22, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Palestinian terrorism

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:19, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Propose renaming this page in line with its main article Palestinian political violence and away from the contentious labelling of dozens of militant groups and sub-categories about militant groups from different periods over the past century that are just as easily be described as resistant groups, insurgents etc. instead of the value-laden and here obviously distinct POV categorization. The separate Category:Terrorism in Israel exists for itemized acts of political violence that are consistently described as 'terrorist' in nature in reliable sources. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:53, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please see previous discussions:
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 17#Category:Palestinian terrorism
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 November 4#Category:Palestinian terrorism
I will go along with whatever consensus emerges. I do not concern myself much with Wikipedia categorization nowadays. I find other editing to be much more fruitful. --Timeshifter (talk) 12:07, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I favor changing other category names to follow the main article name, including this one, Category:Zionist terrorism and Category:Birmingham, West Midlands. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:22, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: There don't seem to be any objections that WP:C2D applies.
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Relisting comment: Procedural relist, as the nominated category was not tagged.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:10, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename per nom, as has been long established, one person's "terrorist" is another person's "freedom fighter" or "defence force". Wikipedia shouldn't be picking sides. Sionk (talk) 23:50, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as many editors above pointed out, there is a difference between terrorism and political violence. This category is specifically designed to hold articles on Palestinian terrorism. - Darwinek (talk) 14:39, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the numerous attacks, largely against civilians, and the groups included in the category are widely considered terrorist, which should be reflected in the category title. Thismess (talk) 19:42, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Crimes by month

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The result of the discussion was: Dual merge/delete Timrollpickering (talk) 20:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
158 categories
Nominator's rationale: As noted by Marcocapelle (talk · contribs) at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_25#Category:1919_crimes_by_month, most of these monthly categories are WP:SMALLCAT with most having only 1–3 pages each. They actually recommended upmerging these categories up to the end of the 20th century, but I'm not confident yet about the ones in the 1990s. The astute viewer may notice that a little under half the months in the 1970s and 1980s are missing; in particular, there are no monthly categories at all in 1984. One of the categories even has 2 redundant sub-levels for a single redirect to Palm Bay, Florida. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:54, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:IIFA awards

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:58, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: this seems to be exactly the same topic so let's merge both categories Robby (talk) 16:40, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Military buildings and structures

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The result of the discussion was: rename and merge.
Nominator's rationale: Also its subcategories to be merged accordingly Estopedist1 (talk) 15:27, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I added subcats as well--Estopedist1 (talk) 06:04, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Hungary to the Kingdom of Bohemia

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:02, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, moving within the Habsburg monarchy is not really emigration. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:53, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - it's also WP:SMALLCAT (1 article) and not defining. The category system is not intended to keep track of every move a person makes. I'm not sure how the brief article Vavrinec Benedikt of Nedožery manages to be in so many categories; possibly the place of birth is being used, which is not defining (WP:COP-PLACE). It is certainly not obvious from the article that he emigrated from the Kingdom of Hungary as Hungary is not mentioned. Oculi (talk) 18:07, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • He is in Czech and Slovak and Hungarian categories, that is the main reason. What currently is called Slovakia was part of the Habsburg part of the Kingdom of Hungary at the time. He moved from Habsburg 'Slovakia' to Habsburg Bohemia, but he was also a Slovak language activist. We might remove him from Hungarian categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Austro-Hungarian people by location

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from Austria-Hungary. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:02, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:48, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Logothetti

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:03, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, only two articles in this family category. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:37, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Austrian knights

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 April 23#Category:Austrian knights

Fires in Asia by year

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 20:25, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, mostly 1- or 2-article categories in the 19th and 20th century. Especially in the later years a merge to disasters is often redundant when the article is already in a disasters by country subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Australian people of Asian descent by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:04, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEGRS: triple intersection of occupation and nationality and descent is not defining.
Suggested by Place Clichy.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Swiss colonels

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 April 23#Category:Swiss colonels

Category:Australian people by occupation and ethnic or national origin

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:12, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEGRS: triple intersection of occupation and nationality and origin is not defining. Also WP:COP-HERITAGE provides for descent or diaspora, not "origin". The subcategories are descent based, not origin based.
Suggested by Place Clichy.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:00, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Former town councils in the Republic of Ireland

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Category:Lords of Zeta

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Princes of Zeta. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:14, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C parent Category:Principality of Zeta. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 02:24, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists politicians

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Category:Biblical rulers by century

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:12, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Most of these are WP:SMALLCATs, but more importantly: the Hebrew Bible is notoriously unreliable and contradictory as a source for dating events (including reigns of people), especially before 750 BCE. The very historicity of many of these characters can often not be confirmed, and is sometimes rejected as literary invention by many modern scholars. By placing them in categories with pretty firm centuries, we are suggesting that their reign/lifespan can be quite accurately known through the Bible, which is very misleading. (For example, even if Moses and Joshua existed as historical people, it's extremely hard to tell when they lived. It's more probably in the 13th century BCE than in the 15th, where they are put now. That's a huge mismatch of 200 years for two people who may have never even walked the earth). In many cases, any reign/lifespan of any monarch mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, especially when calculated with means of extrabiblical sources, pretty much amounts to WP:NONDEFINING. In other cases, historical people are much-better known through extrabiblical sources so as to make their mention in the Hebrew Bible virtually irrelevant. (E.g. why does someone like Category:Cyrus the Great need to be in Category:6th-century BC biblical rulers?) If we are interested in said monarchs as historical people, then the correct route of categorising them is through Category:Pharaohs by century (as opposed to Category:Pharaohs in the Bible, because the historicity of some pharaohs mentioned in the Hebrew Bible like Shishak cannot be independently confirmed), etc.
There is no problem in upmerging all these cats. If overcrowding might ever become a problem, then let's split monarchs by books, not by (highly contestable) centuries. Compare Category:Torah monarchs, reserved for monarchs mentioned in Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 04:01, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no issue of WP:OVERLAPCAT, it is merely a matter of hierarchy. For example Category:8th-century BC biblical rulers consists of Category:8th-century BC Kings of Israel and Category:8th-century BC Kings of Judah. Those are "kings" categories too. By limiting it to kings, Moses, Joshua and the judges will be purged and by that we will lose the earliest centuries categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Because the monarchs mentioned in the Hebrew Bible are primarily the kings of ancient Israel and Judah, any "biblical ruler" category will inevitably largely overlap with a kings of Israel/Judah category. WP:OVERLAPCAT: If two or more categories have a large overlap (...) it is generally better to merge the subjects to a single category, and create lists to detail the multiple instances. That already exists in the form of Kings of Israel and Judah. Subdividing them by century has led to many WP:SMALLCATs instead of making navigation easier. Upmerging them could solve that.
    Maybe what I'm objecting to here is also WP:NARROWCAT? In general, intersection categories should only be created when both parent categories are very large and similar intersections can be made for related categories. To me, the intersection between "king of Israel/Judah" and "century X" is very narrow, and usually creates SMALLCATS anyway. The intersection between "biblical ruler" and "century X" is even narrower, especially when the century is difficult to establish because of how unreliable the Hebrew Bible is for dating events, and the character in question may not even have been historical. If a cat like "biblical ruler" is to have any function at all, it is to organise information found only in the Hebrew Bible itself, and not data from extrabiblical sources in order to interpret it. The very chronology of counting in "centuries BC(E)" is not a concept found in the Hebrew Bible itself (obviously; Jesus wasn't born yet). These are just two very different exercises. To take Cyrus the Great again as an example: Category:Cyrus the Great is in Category:6th-century BC Kings of the Achaemenid Empire, and that's fine. But Cyrus the Great in the Bible is in its subcat Category:Cultural depictions of Cyrus the Great, along with Cyrus The Great (screenplay), Civilization VI and so on. That's where his being mentioned in the Bible is relevant, not in which century he lived. We're not gonna create Category:6th-century BC ''Civilization VI'' monarchs either just because we can; it's just not that relevant for Cyrus as a person, and needlessly centres the importance of Civilization VI as a game depicting Cyrus. Cyrus is known through many other sources that are more reliable than the Hebrew Bible, and thus using it to date him also doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:23, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Upmerging the Kings of Israel and Kings of Judah categories by century requires a completely different nomination. In its current state there is hierarchy in the category tree, no overlap. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let's start all over again. The issue I have with the nomination is primarily with the 11th- to 15th-century BC categories, because they do not contain monarchs. My alternative proposal aimed to address that. I have no issue with e.g. Cyrus. I also have no issue with changing "biblical" to "of the Hebrew Bible" (though that implies the 2nd century BC subcat should be deleted). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok. I think we just shouldn't create subcategories by century for monarchs mentioned in the Hebrew Bible. I want them all in one big category without any century whatsoever. That's Category:Monarchs of the Hebrew Bible. I agree with excluding non-monarchs, and excluding monarchs not mentioned in the Hebrew Bible. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 00:44, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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