The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kj cheetham (talk) 11:24, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tomi Tuominen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Sourced to a single database entry, one line stub makes no claim of notability - Championships 0; Rally wins 0; Podiums 0 sort of sums it up. The Finnish page is in its way worse - sourced to a 403, a 404, an image bank and an IMDb entry for an actor of the same name. Spectacularly fails WP:GNG. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:16, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Finland. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:16, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Motorsport-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:28, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Per nominator's comments. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 13:56, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Struck given the Finnish-language sources below. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 14:51, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Neutral - Needs someone who can read Finnish to go through Finnish-language results in a WP:BEFORE search to see how many actual constitute WP:SIGCOV from reliable independent sources. Would delete based upon English-language results that appear in a WP:BEFORE search as they all seem to be incidental mentions or WP:ROUTINE coverage of rally results. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Chap, if you read the nomination, I DID go through the Finnish sources and, as I note, they are a 403 error, a 404 error, an image bank with some rally car images and an IMDb entry. What more did you want to know about the Finnish sources? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:06, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Performing a WP:BEFORE search on Google News bought up some Finnish-language articles which may have been suitable sources covering this article's subject, but given I can't read Finnish I wasn't able to work out much about how much they'd contribute towards meeting the WP:GNG. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 16:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Remember that notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. While looking at the native language wiki (fi.wiki, in this case) is a good start, sources need to be looked for outside of Wikipedia as well. As for Google News, note that it works rather poorly for non-English news. See my !vote below for sources identified with about five minutes in Google using the search term Tomi Tuominen ralli where ralli is Finnish for "rally". Ljleppan (talk) 08:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Available Finnish language sourcing based on 3 minute in Google:
  • Long bio in Iltalehti on 50th birthday: [1]
  • Fairly long companion piece to the above: [2]
  • Long (paywalled) bio article in Helsingin Sanomat on 50th birthday: [3]
  • Long interview in MTV Uutiset: [4]
  • Interview/bio, joins YLE sports team: [5]
  • Another paywalled bio/interview in Lapin Kansa. I don't have full access: [6]
  • Interview in Seura: [7]
  • Medium-length story about divorce in Iltasanomat: [8]
  • Mentioned in a (paywalled) COVID-related story in a regional newspaper: [9]

He seems to have a rather complex career that extends far beyond co-driving into F1 commentation on TV for YLE, and into being a generic "famous person" who goes around in all kinds of TV shows. Also something about a singing career, but I have no clue whether that went anywhere. Given that these were the sources I could find in less than five minutes in Google, I'd expect there to be plenty more available if someone had the inclination to dig further. There seems to be plenty more tabloid stories, for one. Ljleppan (talk) 07:32, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Update from prior comments, subject seems to pass WP:GNG. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 10:58, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment but they're all interviews. The first two are in fact the same interview. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:07, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The first two are in fact the same interview While the video at the top of the page is the same, they are two different texts. The first discusses his life in general (how he's acting in theatre, childhood, how he was approached for the commentator gig, musical career, etc.) and the second one is about his rally career. Ljleppan (talk) 11:13, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  As for they're all interviews, even the ones listed as "interviews" are biographical or news texts combined with interview materiel published in the largest Finnish newspapers and media outlets by recognized journalists. They span both a large amount of time and many aspects of his varied career. Furthermore, not all of them indeed are interviews, see e.g. coverage of his divorce and later engagement [10], [11], [12], [13]. Again, these are from literally a minute or two in Google and ignore any potential offline sources. Ljleppan (talk) 11:31, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep As demonstrated above, Tuominen meets WP:BASIC, and he also meets WP:NMOTORSPORT criteria 2 for participating in a full manufacturer season of 2008 World Rally Championship. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 14:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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