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The result was delete. The keep votes deal solely with nfooty, which is a presumption of GNG. This has been challenged and whilst a number of sources have been added, delete arguments clearly show them to be routine reporting either not of significant length or only mentioning the subject briefly. Happy to undelete if substantial third party coverage can be found but the efforts here suggest that is not the case. Either way, it is always very unlikely that a player who has made such a small impact at a fully professional level and has never played internationally is going to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 07:20, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Browsing through a quick search on Google has seen him mentioned a few times but none throughout his time playing for the second tier which is how he eligible for WP:NFOOTBALL. HawkAussie (talk) 01:36, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails WP:NFOOTY, has a robust article in Dutch as well so any information can be found there. SportingFlyer T·C 01:45, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• He actually barely scrapes by WP:NFOOTY. The coverage of his attack by supporters doesn't seem routine, but I'm not ready to endorse a keep here, am neutral on deletion. SportingFlyer T·C 23:11, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. As a former professional footballer (both Eredivisie -first tier- and Eerste Divisie), subject clearly passes WP:NFOOTY/WP:NFOOTBALL #2, the WP:GNG, and has an article also at nl.wiki. If someone fails to find additional sources, and this happens all too often, strangely even with well-referenced articles, an AfD is not the answer. Rather, in such cases a refimprove request should do. This is a classic case of an unncessary nomination. gidonb (talk) 10:52, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 13:53, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL as he has played in a competitive match between two teams from FPLs. Plenty of cources out there to show notability. Needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 13:56, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Article about non-notable, semi-pro footballer who was once contracted to a club in a fully-pro league, but only made a single appearance in a domestic cup for them. Online coverage is routine, with lots of transfer announcements (e.g., Algemeen Dagblad), and there are only match reports and squad lists covering his time with RKC. Comprehensive GNG failure and the narrowest possible passing of NFOOTBALL's bright-line equals a failure of the spirit of NFOOTBALL. Jogurney (talk) 14:32, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a routine claim people make at NFOOTBALL discussions. But does it hold water? Per WP:NEXIST I have looked at the sources and reached the conclusion that coverage stands out for being diverse, not routine, and includes besides actually very few transfers, an exceptional amount of injuries, victimhood in a violent attack by supporters, a leadership role, and goal contributions while the player is a defender. gidonb (talk) 22:39, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I reviewed the online English- and Dutch- language sources I could find via a Google search, and I disagree. Everything I saw was routine coverage. Please feel free to provide links to coverage that shows otherwise. Jogurney (talk) 14:24, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Much of it has been added to the article. Player moved relative few teams. Much of the coverage was on his health conditions (at depth) and victimhood of violence. Extremely nonroutine. Your response, however, was very routine for WP:NFOOTBALL discussion. It made me wonder if you actually looked at sources of this player or perhaps another or a previous one?! Maybe take another look. Plenty of sources in the article now. It couldn't be easier! gidonb (talk) 12:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • While I appreciate your efforts to expand and improve the article, none of the references included in the article represent SIGCOV (even the Algemeen Dagblad article I mentioned above). Everything is routine coverage for a footballer (a sentence or two for the most part) - footballer played in a match, footballer received a yellow card, footballer is injured, footballer signs with new club, footballer is released by club. The attack is unique, but I don't think the coverage is from a non-primary, reliable source, and by itself I can't see that getting this article over the GNG bar. Jogurney (talk) 16:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep passes WP:NFOOTBALL subject is 29 years and is currently playing.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:02, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete (Round 39? Is everybody ready yet to have some kind of RfC on this so we aren't putting closers in a difficult position with every one of these "borderline NFOOTY/no GNG" nominations?) – Per Soccerway, this player has one NFOOTY-qualifying game in the second-tier Eerste Divisie (never played in the first-tier league), and it was nine years ago. Since then, he has been playing only in third-tier Topklasse, and for the past three years, in semi-professional Tweede Divisie. There is no indication that this player will have any NFOOTY-qualifying games anytime soon. Also, no WP:SIGCOV; the only thing I'm finding are a few brief mentions and routine game reports, etc., like [1] [2] [3]. The Dutch Wikipedia article is three sentences; shorter than ours. I appreciate Gidonb's recent expansion and rescue attempt, but I'm not seeing GNG-satisfying sources. AD and Gorinchem is routine with a couple quotes from the player. The AD injury report is, well, an injury report, not in-depth coverage of the player, but routine coverage of the injury. Het Kontakt is a primary source report about an incident in which the player was attacked, not in-depth coverage of the player himself. Without seeing WP:THREE GNG sources, for a semi-professional footballer with one appearance 9 years ago, my !vote is delete. – Levivich 02:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: fails WP:BASIC to which WP:NFOOTY is subordinated. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:52, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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