The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep and merge with Four Ppillars of destiny. Guy (Help!) 23:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Four Pillars of Destiny (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

This article and the similar Four pillars of destiny should have any verifiable and useful text merged to Chinese astrology. At this time, though, there is no verified text to merge, so anyone with sources should begin a section at Chinese astrology rather than here. Delete because it's unverified, unsourced, because Wikipedia is not an instruction manual, and because I suspect that both pages are advertisements for astro . fungshui . com masquerading as articles TheronJ 00:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• I am also nominating Four pillars of destiny for deletion, for the same reasons. TheronJ 00:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and remove the spamminess. One of the central concepts of Chinese astrology/religion and is discussed in numerous reliable sources. For example, here, here, here and even in that august resource the Complete Idiot's Guide to Feng Shui. It's even the subtitle of a book. JChap2007 03:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Nominator Withdrawal: It seems clear that there's a consensus not to delete. I think there's also a consensus to merge Four pillars of destiny and The Four Pillars of Destiny, keeping at least one of the two articles, and cleaning up the remaining article, but none of that needs AFD. If someone wants to close this AFD, with result merge and keep, I think that's appropriate. TheronJ 14:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • • Agreeing with this. I think it's obvious they need to be merged. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JChap2007 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]
• Merge to single article Not a hoax, enough of a seperate concept to deserve an article of its own, but since there are apparently two, with different cases, merge them. FrozenPurpleCube 04:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and Chinese astrology should be pared down, it's way too long right now. So pull off some it too. FrozenPurpleCube 04:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese astrology If an article is big its not a reason to delete information. You break it into smaller articles. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 06:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is what I meant by "Pull off some of it too" as in "take some of the content from that article, and put it into this one" . Or others. FrozenPurpleCube 15:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The two articles, The Four Pillars of Destiny and Four pillars of destiny need to be merged, obviously, probably at the latter title. But it seems that this is a concept of Chinese astrology that can support its own article. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I am surprised at (but respect) the number of keep opinions. Just to clarify, I'm not arguing that the articles should be deleted for all time, only that (1) there is literally nothing in the articles right now that is sourced; (2) there is almost nothing in the articles that is useful for the encyclopedia. Explaining how to calculate a Four Pillars astrology analysis is not what Wikipedia is about, IMHO. Thanks, TheronJ 14:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. The condition of being unsourced, much less unsourced with inline citations, is not a ground for deletion. Were this so, nine tenths of the text we now have would be deleted. Nor is the fact that the existing text is incomplete, confusing, or wrong grounds for deletion. My typical test asks two questions: is the topic itself a worthy one? and if so, will the text now there be helpful to writing an adequate article on the topic? I think these articles easily pass the first test, and the text currently at the pages, while not very good so far, is not so useless that we should conceal it from non-admin editors or readers, or require that an improved article start entirely from scratch. - Smerdis of Tlön 15:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and merge with Four pillars of destiny - both need references and cleanup, but that's not a reason for deletion, rather a reason to add references and clean them up! Squeezeweasel 15:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, Merge, and cleanup. It is a valid concept in Chinese astrology that should be included in the encyclopedia. Just needs some work. - Eron ^Talk 16:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Four pillars of destiny per Squeezeweasel. And Cleanup. WMMartin 17:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.