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The result was delete.  Sandstein  05:59, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Here's a contestant (not winner) at some beauty pageants. De-PRODded with the edit summary "Miss Universe contestants are almost always notable". This is a notability criterion I'm unaware of and would like to see if community consensus exists to that fact. This would seem to me to be in contravention of WP:BLP1E and common sense. Brianhe (talk) 20:57, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Comment [Addition: Fails GNG. All coverage is routine and around one event. Based on searches in Lexis, Newsbank, and three Mauritius newspapers. If there's a consensus for keeping such individuals, please post it.] I'm the one that de-PRODed it because it has been asserted elsewhere that there is a 'consensus' that Miss Universe contestants are presumed to have notability(see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrea Radonjić, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winfrida Dominic, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Delia Duca). In both discussions, one repeats on two pages, the claim is made to a consensus or repeated practice holding that Miss Universe participants, as winners of national competitions, have some presumption of notability. I agree wholeheartedly with Brianhe that I don't know if that is true. Worth de-proding, but using GNG criteria, the subject of this article appears to fail notability for basic coverage in RSs. (Probably will change to delete, but following the conversation). AbstractIllusions (talk) 15:42, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Strictly by the numbers, being crowned Miss Mauritius is about half as notable as being crowned Queen of Riverside County Fair and National Date Festival (Riverside County pop 2M, Mauritius pop 1M). As there are over 40 U.S. counties of >1M population, I wouldn't expect such a person to be presumed notable for Wikipedia in the latter case per WP:MILL, so why should the former enjoy inherent notability? It's silly. - Brianhe (talk) 18:38, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• This appears to be the last discussion of the issue at the larger Notability boards. There was no consensus to add Pageant winners. The argument for notability is that the large global pageants (Miss World and Miss Universe) are prominent enough that they are likely to generate significant RS coverage for the national-level nominees. Indeed, Sheetal Khadun received regular coverage in major national newspapers of Mauritius (see: here, here, etc.) Here's what I'm convinced by: Does she pass GNG? Taking into account WP:BLP1E or WP:ROUTINE...it seems not to right now. AbstractIllusions (talk) 18:18, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bibliographies-related deletion discussions. Brianhe (talk) 02:12, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as only claims here are for merely participating, that's not what signified actual independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 02:49, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Wait...she did win multiple national-level competitions, right? Whether those are significant is a good question, whether they confer some presumption of notability is a good question, but it is incorrect to state that her only claim is mere participation. AbstractIllusions (talk) 15:50, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think what SwisterTwister means is that the RS coverage is about participation at Miss World and Miss Universe, where she apparently was not awarded. We can't seem to find anything about the Mauritius lead-up to her participation in the notable pageants. Which isn't surprising given the low population and disadvantaged media situation there (also possible-to-probable lack of English language media). - Brianhe (talk) 17:31, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This would be the argument for presuming notability for Miss World and Miss Universe contestants: Because, of course there was coverage of the lead-up to the international competitions. See: here, here, here, etc. All RSs. (Once again, if we use GNG with a strict interpretation of Routine, she doesn't appear to pass, but any other standard should result in Keep it seems to me). AbstractIllusions (talk) 23:28, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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