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In looking at the independent book sources cited in the article in google books, all of these sources only mention the subject briefly and in passing (only covering his appointment in one or two sentences; that is all). The few that do have more detail are published by the organization the subject runs and lack independence. See source table below. A WP:BEFORE showed no independent coverage that was in-depth. Fails WP:SIGCOV with zero qualifying sources. I note that this article was rightly deleted once before in 2017. Suggest WP:SALTING it. 4meter4 (talk) 05:37, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Significant?	Independent?	Reliable?	Secondary?	Pass/Fail	Notes
George D. Chryssides. Jehovah's Witnesses: Continuity and Change. p. 143.	N	Y	Y	Y	N	A single-sentence mention of his assumption of office in 2014.
McCoy, Daniel J. (2021). The Popular Handbook of World Religions. Harvest House Publishers. p. 287.	N	Y	Y	Y	N	A single-sentence mention of his assumption of office in 2014.
Besier, Gerhard; Stoklosa, Katarzyna (2016). Jehovah's Witnesses in Europe—Past and Present. Vol. 1. Cambridge Scholars Publishing. p. 209.	N	Y	Y	Y	N	Passing mention of assumption of office in 2014.
"A History-Making Meeting". The Watchtower. Watch Tower Society. August 15, 2011. p. 19.	Y	N	Y	?	N	The Watchtower is published by the organization Ciranko runs. It is not independent.
Minnesota Center for Health Statistics, Office of the State Registrar, St. Paul. Robert L Ciranko and Ketra B Bates 20 Aug 1978	N	Y	Y	N	N	WP:PRIMARY government source verifying subject's marriage. Not significant.
"Keep Holding Men of That Sort Dear"". The Watchtower. Watch Tower Society. October 15, 2015. p. 3. The Governing Body members make the final decisions, but the helpers implement the committee's direction and carry out whatever assignments they are given.	Y	N	Y	?	N	The Watchtower is published by the organization Ciranko runs. It is not independent.
Total qualifying sources					0	There must be multiple qualifying sources to meet the notability requirements

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Christianity, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The article is of little value. It tells us nothing very informative about him: just his rank in an organisation and his immediate ancestry/ethnicity. Spideog (talk) 13:21, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment See, this is the problem with sourcing tables: they very neatly present one opinion. Since the subject leads a local constituency within the Watchtower society, he is not in a leadership or direct affiliation with the ownership of the magazine, and thus non-independence is not established. Having said that, we typically only let a source count once, even if there are multiple articles published in it, so I still don't think we're necessarily to multiple RS yet. Jclemens (talk) 16:50, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jclemens Not sure how you drew that conclusion. The Watchtower is published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. Ciranko is the president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. They are clearly not independent of one another.4meter4 (talk) 16:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're correct; I made an assumption that the national and local organizations were separate, which is not the case. Jclemens (talk) 17:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's an easy mistake to make. The religion's governing organization structure is somewhat counterintuitive.4meter4 (talk) 17:06, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• With no comment on notability (yet), should he be found to be non-notable should be redirected to Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, where he is covered. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:50, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Redirect. After searching it doesn't say much about him. Just, he runs the organization. Lots of mentions so a redirect is appropriate. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:03, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Also, I think in the table you meant the organization Ciranko runs. Chryssides is the academic. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:05, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I modified it per your comment. A redirect is fine by me as an WP:ATD. 4meter4 (talk) 22:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]