Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pittsburgh Stealers
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. There was some sentiment for creating a redirect, but no consensus on where it should point. Editors are welcome to continue that discussion outside of AfD. RL0919 (talk) 18:18, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
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The subject does not seem to be notable. A google search only turns up this Wikipedia article. I also feel the article could be a hoax as it says sources are anonymous. 747pilot (talk) 04:43, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Redirect to Pittsburgh Steelers. That was what it was created as, until the Pittsburgh stealers stuff got added. I'd like @Squamate: to comment here, since they created this article in the form it is now in. If you made this as a hoax over 9 years ago, please say so now, it'll save a lot of time, and will likely save you a lot of greif. Mako001 (C) (T) 07:52, 15 January 2022 (UTC)- Now leaning toward Disambiguate, as we now have, if I'm keeping track of this correctly, three different possible targets for someone putting in "Pittbsburgh Stealers".
- Firstly, they're aiming for Pittsburgh Steelers but either made a typo, or good ol' autocorrect "fixed" it for them.
- Second, the real-but-of-questionable-notability prison team, if it's determined to be notable, which would require some coverage outside of a couple of months in 1982.
- Third, this song mentioned by Metropolitan90.
- If the prison team is not determined to be notable, then my redirect !vote stands, due to the very real occurrence of autocorrect helpfully changing Steelers to Stealers. I had to override autocorrect the first few times I typed Pittsburgh Steelers. Then possibly hatnote the Steelers article with to reference the song that Metropolitan90 referred to below. Mako001 (C) (T) 02:03, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, whether it's a hoax or not, there is no evidence of notability and the references are suspicious. I don't particularly think a redirect would serve a purpose seeing as "steal" and "steel" do mean two entirely different things. We don't commonly have redirects for other articles using the alternate meaning and "steal" has connotations that aren't relevant to the NFL club. Bungle (talk • contribs) 10:36, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment, @747pilot: @Mako001: @Bungle: definitely not a hoax, and may actually be notable. See [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:20, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping BeanieFan11. The newspaper articles definitely seem to confirm this isn't a hoax, though they're all dated around the same time (Sep/Oct 1982) and for notability we need to demonstrate there is continued significant coverage beyond a single event or date. Articles from around the same date tend to indicate that they're all reporting about the same single event. It does seem like there could be something there though, so i'll also do some more digging too. Would help if there is anything from a different period in time to demonstrate sustained coverage and i'd happily withdraw. Bungle (talk • contribs) 16:17, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding the sources @BeanieFan11:. I would agree now that this isn't a hoax, but I still think that the team may not be notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. 747pilot (talk) 18:05, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- I personally am neutral on whether or not it should be kept. But if the consensus is in favor of deletion, I think a redirect to Pittsburgh Steelers would make sense, as "Pittsburgh Stealers" has been viewed over a thousand times in the past year. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- The redirect is a good idea. Stealers is a common misspelling too. I am now leaning more to redirect the page in the event it is indeed deleted by consensus. 747pilot (talk) 18:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- I personally am neutral on whether or not it should be kept. But if the consensus is in favor of deletion, I think a redirect to Pittsburgh Steelers would make sense, as "Pittsburgh Stealers" has been viewed over a thousand times in the past year. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding the sources @BeanieFan11:. I would agree now that this isn't a hoax, but I still think that the team may not be notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. 747pilot (talk) 18:05, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping BeanieFan11. The newspaper articles definitely seem to confirm this isn't a hoax, though they're all dated around the same time (Sep/Oct 1982) and for notability we need to demonstrate there is continued significant coverage beyond a single event or date. Articles from around the same date tend to indicate that they're all reporting about the same single event. It does seem like there could be something there though, so i'll also do some more digging too. Would help if there is anything from a different period in time to demonstrate sustained coverage and i'd happily withdraw. Bungle (talk • contribs) 16:17, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per sources found by BeanieFan11. There's definitely notability from these papers to be honest and I think that the combination of the paper clippings and the other citations, there's likely a bit to write about this team. I am a bit shocked that a semi-pro football team has the level of coverage it does, but this seems like a keep to me. TartarTorte 16:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Generally (with some exceptions) we find that semi-pro football teams do not even approach notability standards. This one does not appear to be an exception. Perhaps enthusiastic editors could try another wiki such as an online sports almanac.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:47, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- I'll note that I've found a decent amount of coverage for many semi-pro teams from the 1910s through 1960s, and believe a lot are notable from that period (for example, my longest creation was of a semi-pro league). So I wouldn't agree with saying that "generally" they fail to meet it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:54, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- I wouldn't argue that there are none--Pittsburgh Colts, Orlando Panthers, Racine Raiders, and Newton Nite Hawks are examples.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:30, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- BTW the Orlando Panthers were professional, not semi-pro. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:46, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. It doesn't look like the newspaper articles provide much information, and they are all from the same two-month period. Wgullyn (talk) 18:21, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Kendalls#Singles, in reference to the country song of the same name (which is spelled like this). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:39, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 13:45, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I can appreciate BeanieFan11's article search, but as noted, above, this was in 1982 in a few months period, and there doesn't seem to be continuing, sustained coverage. I wouldn't be opposed to a redirect, but I'm not 100% sure about that either. Spf121188 (talk) 17:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
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