Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pat Mullin (soccer)
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable footballer. soccerbase.com has no record of him ever having played in the football league and he is now plying his trade for a non-league team nine levels below the Premiership. Article also contains essentially no information on him ChrisTheDude 12:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep if he really played for Coventry City FC as his article says. Needs to be cleaned up, though. GassyGuy 12:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]- Delete A Google search for "Pat Mullin"+"Coventry City" brings up 1 hit that isn't from WP and mirrors, and that link doesn't work. Since the only info on this player which would make him notable is unverfiable, he's therefore non-notable. -- Kicking222 12:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - as mentioned above, soccerbase.com has no record of him, which would suggest that he never played for the Coventry first team..... ChrisTheDude 12:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- As it appears Coventry City is a mistake, it looks like Millwall F.C. is his biggest claim to fame, and that's not WP-worthy. Oh, well, then. Delete per nom. GassyGuy 12:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait, just to clarify did he play for Milwall? If so then he warrants an article as a professional sportsman (per WP:BIO) --Daduzi talk 10:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- As mentioned above, soccerbase.com has no record of him ever having played in the football league, which would seem to suggest that, while he may well have been on the books of Coventry and/or Millwall, he apparently never played a professional match for either club and therefore surely receives no notability as a result. As an aside, I'd also question whether he would be necessarily notable even if he had played for either or both of these clubs. There's an awful lot of journeyman players out there who have played a handful of games for lower division teams (which both Coventry and Millwall are), but I don't think that means that they automatically merit an entry on Wikipedia.... ChrisTheDude 10:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I've just had a look at WP:BIO and I have noticed (for the first time) that it does indeed state that a sportsman can be considered notable if he has played in a "fully professional league", however all sources would appear to indicate that this player was on the books of the clubs mentioned (maybe as a youth team player or some such) but never actually played for the first team. Rambling off somewhat, I have to say that I personally don't think that every player who has ever played in the "fully professional" Football League (of which there must be literally tens of thousands) can be considered notable just by that fact alone, but that's probably a debate for somewhere else.... ChrisTheDude 10:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- In that case delete (and I'd probably agree with you on the policy issue, it seems to have been written with American sports in mind; the suggested guidelines at Wikipedia:Notability (athletes) look better to me). --Daduzi talk 22:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I've just had a look at WP:BIO and I have noticed (for the first time) that it does indeed state that a sportsman can be considered notable if he has played in a "fully professional league", however all sources would appear to indicate that this player was on the books of the clubs mentioned (maybe as a youth team player or some such) but never actually played for the first team. Rambling off somewhat, I have to say that I personally don't think that every player who has ever played in the "fully professional" Football League (of which there must be literally tens of thousands) can be considered notable just by that fact alone, but that's probably a debate for somewhere else.... ChrisTheDude 10:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- As mentioned above, soccerbase.com has no record of him ever having played in the football league, which would seem to suggest that, while he may well have been on the books of Coventry and/or Millwall, he apparently never played a professional match for either club and therefore surely receives no notability as a result. As an aside, I'd also question whether he would be necessarily notable even if he had played for either or both of these clubs. There's an awful lot of journeyman players out there who have played a handful of games for lower division teams (which both Coventry and Millwall are), but I don't think that means that they automatically merit an entry on Wikipedia.... ChrisTheDude 10:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait, just to clarify did he play for Milwall? If so then he warrants an article as a professional sportsman (per WP:BIO) --Daduzi talk 10:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - the guy plays between the sticks for Maidstone United see here. The question is whether he did play for a league team; still looking! BlueValour 02:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Nobody is denying that he plays for Maidstone, however that alone does not confer notability..... ChrisTheDude 06:49, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed - hence the second part of my comment :-) BlueValour 11:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - I have made enquiries on the Millwall message board and he played for Millwall as a junior but no-one remembers him getting anywhere near the first team. Playing for Maidstone doesn't do as they are not a FL team. I can find no info on him playing for Coventry. BlueValour 03:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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