The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Deleting as a copyright violation.

I realize that it's unusual for me as a participant in the debate (and indeed a somewhat controversial participant) to delete and close, but "IAR" combined with concern about copyright force a speedy closure.

Pace various editors (including myself), but this deletion does not prejudice the fate of any future article on Ohm Phanphiroj. Hoary (talk) 00:55, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Seemingly autobiographical article that's been around for two years. No citations. Notability questionable. For my part, I'll be Neutral, because this might be a personal case of "I've never heard of it". CaveatLector ^{Talk Contrib} 19:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Note that the text of this article also appears to be a copied and pasted from the artists' website. CaveatLector ^{Talk Contrib} 19:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. This appears to be little more than the subject individual's own resumé, posted to Wikipedia. This runs afoul of WP:SOAP at least, and the tone and content definitely violates WP:NOT#OR and WP:PROMO. While I could possibly be convinced otherwise, I don't think his works are shown in galleries and museums in the USA and Europe as well as in Asian countries qualifies as an assertion of notability, particularly since there is absolutely zero support for any of the assertions. It's not as clear a case of WP:BIO violation as some, but I do think it is such a violation. And if none of those will do for a reason to delete, CaveatLector's observation that this text is copied wholesale from the subject's own website ought to do it. —Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C21:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this blather, because WP:IMPISSEDOFF: I'm entirely innocent of the action alleged in this posting, though I'll concede that it woke me up in a way that no single cup of coffee could do, and that it has a certain black humor value. Contra Schweinwefermann, I do believe that "his works are shown in galleries and museums in the USA and Europe as well as in Asian countries" is an assertion of notability; I just haven't seen any evidence of this, and I have been waiting a long time. A quick look at Amazon showed that yes our man does indeed have at least one book published; its cover has a competent (focus, lighting, and exposure all OK) photo of a "hunk" with his legs widespread; those who are interested in male organs may be fascinated, while I (who happen to have other predilections) see no more (or less) photographic (or exhibition-worthy) value in this than in any of the lovingly lit depictions of [female] cleavage on the covers of the cheesecake anthologies published by the dozen every month in the nation where I happen to live. In other words, the man appears to be a competent artisan, no more; for two years I've been willing to be proven wrong via citation of WP:RS but this hasn't happened yet. -- Hoary (talk) 00:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment My visit from the typo fairy also apparently included a call from the copy-paste-mistake fairy. I used the wrong template on your talk page, and didn't mean to insinuate that you created the article. CaveatLector ^{Talk Contrib} 05:12, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Comment Oh, and I should also note that any aesthetic judgments of the artwork are irrelevant (WP:IDONTLIKEIT). The question we should ask is "is this person notable". CaveatLector ^{Talk Contrib} 05:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, you did manage to wake me up. No hard feelings. And as I also said, I've yet to see any disinterested sign that he's notable. -- Hoary (talk) 06:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. —Hoary (talk) 00:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. —Hoary (talk) 00:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. —Hoary (talk) 00:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete A search of all dates on Google news turned up two mentions of an Atlanta showing and one mention of a Bangkok showing, not in major museums. I think notability has not been established because at this point, it cannot be. Maybe with some international awards, but there don't seem to be any. Scarykitty (talk) 00:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. —CaveatLector ^{Talk Contrib} 05:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete as copyvio of [1] and subpages, particularly "about". It's usually worth checking for copyvio when one sees an article like this. DGG (talk) 05:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the problem I had with that is that it appeared as though the one adding the information was Phanphiroj himself. Since he owns the copyright on the website bio, I didn't leap to copyvio. Just a clarification. CaveatLector ^{Talk Contrib} 05:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If somebody reposts stuff that's undeniably his own, I believe it's still a copyvio as far as WP is concerned unless it was previously either labeled as GFDL or released into the public domain. -- Hoary (talk) 06:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. DGG, I couldn't access the "about" off the website. If it is copyvio then please add teh template and let's get rid of it and it can start fresh and more neutral. It took only moments to find these and these which suggests that even if some puffery has occurred, they still have met the GNG threshold. -- Banjeboi 08:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Your comment about notability contributes very little to this discussion. You have provided links not to actual sources but to Google and Amazon hits. Search results are not sources. If you find specific sources that you believe help this person meet wp:n, please provide direct links or citations to those sources and we can discuss them. Linking to Google and Amazon hits is very easy, and of little value. That said, a cursory look at your Google and Amazon hits shows only that this person has produced photography and written a book. Wp:n requires coverage of the topic, i.e. in this case we would need works about this person, not by him/her. Therefore, your search results appear not to help the case for this person's notability. 98.122.44.244 (talk) 14:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Question What's GNG? Scarykitty (talk) 14:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • The "general notability guideline". -- Hoary (talk) 00:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think your look was a little on the overcursory side. The books that are "hit" aren't written by Ohm Phanphiroj; instead, they have photos by him. I infer that there's some demographic that wants photos of elegantly coiffed "hunks" lazing around in [studios made up as?] sleazy motel rooms; OP produces the goods. Incidentally, my description in an earlier comment was not about a book but instead about a calendar. ¶ Further, you're being curiously restrictive when you say If you find specific sources that you believe help this person meet wp:n, please provide direct links or citations to those sources and we can discuss them. The Google hitlist could be interpreted as list of specific sources that Banjeboi believes help this person meet wp:n. One problem, however,is that the putative sources are described elliptically and may be little more than bare mentions; another is that there are very few of them. -- Hoary (talk) 15:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hoary, you're continual degradation of Phanphiroj's art form or those who would enjoy it contributes zero to this conversation. Benje, the "about" section in question pops up in a menu when you move your cursor to the left hand side of the screen. CaveatLector ^{Talk Contrib} 17:12, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • My apologies to the practitioners and consumers of this "art form". -- Hoary (talk) 00:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I'm more concerned that this is a copyvio as should be speedied. To answer one point though, yes, there are many photographers who are notable for taking photos of men lazying around in their underwear. The links I provided should that he indeed was published and has had shows. The Amazon link lists several of his photography books. GNG is general notability guideline. Until the cpopyvio issue is resolved one way or another the point is rather moot. -- Banjeboi 00:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • there are many photographers who are notable for taking photos of men lazying around in their underwear I sit corrected, though I will say that few if any appear in any of the general surveys of photography that I possess. ¶ I'm more concerned that this is a copyvio as should be speedied. I agree. -- Hoary (talk) 00:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Then you might do well to expand your horizons - lol! -- Banjeboi 00:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I do think the subject is notable but copyvio is a policy breaker. I have nommed for speedy on that basis. No issue towards recreation without copyvio material. -- Banjeboi 00:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.