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The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 02:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Sastre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Woman with a job, No indication of notability. PepperBeast (talk) 23:17, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Women, and United States of America. PepperBeast (talk) 23:17, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Florida and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I have added a few extended newspaper articles.^[1][2][3] Some of the sourcing on Sastre is in Spanish, so will benefit from someone well-versed in Spanish. I am sure there are more articles, and there is an interview that will provide biographical detail,^[4] though not establish notability. DaffodilOcean (talk) 10:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per DaffodilOcean. Mooonswimmer 22:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: does sourcing meet required depth
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:48, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I've evaluated the sources currently in the article in a table below:

Source assessment table

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
El Nuevo Herald (1)	El Nuevo Herald is an independent news organization. The article content is written by a journalist and is in the newspaper's voice.	Established WP:NEWSORG.	The ~22 paragraph article is principally about the article subject.	✔ Yes
Knight-Ridler Tribune News Service	Independent wire service	Tribune News Service is a reputable newswire.	This ~10 paragraph article is principally about Sastre.	✔ Yes
El Nuevo Herald (2)	This piece appears to be a spanish translation of the aforementioned Tribune News Service piece.	This piece appears to be a spanish translation of the aforementioned Tribune News Service piece.	This piece appears to be a spanish translation of the aforementioned Tribune News Service piece.	? Unknown
The Miami Herald (1)	The Miami Herald is an independent WP:NEWSORG	The Miami Herald is an established Florida WP:NEWSORG	The coverage is quite brief, being a single sentence.	✘ No
The Miami Herald (2)	~ The Miami Herald is an independent WP:NEWSORG. However, this piece seems to be a print version of their "Movers" blog, which may substantially be copying from PR material rather than independent reporting.	~ The Miami Herald is an established Florida WP:NEWSORG, but this is a print version of one of their WP:NEWSBLOGs, which may have less reliability than other print content.	The coverage is quite brief, being merely three sentences.	✘ No
The Bergen Record (1)	The Bergen Record is an independent WP:NEWSORG.	The Bergen Record is an established mainstream newspaper.	~ Sastre is quoted twice, but coverage of Sastre aside from those quotes is quite brief.	~ Partial
The Bergen Record (2)	The Bergen Record is an independent WP:NEWSORG.	The Bergen Record is an established mainstream newspaper.	~ Sastre is quoted a bit, but coverage of Sastre herself aside from those quotes is quite brief.	~ Partial
Signature Flight	Press release by her employer announcing her new role.	~ WP:ABOUTSELF	Moot as clearly non-independent.	✘ No
Silicon Valley Business Journal	Why not?	Why not?	~ Sastre is quoted a bit, but coverage of Sastre herself aside from those quotes is quite brief.	~ Partial
Forbes profile	Profile text appears to be provided by the article subject; it's virtually the exact same as this regulatory filing.	~ WP:ABOUTSELF, in light of the above.	Moot as clearly non-independent.	✘ No
Helios Foundation	Sastre's profile on the website of an organization where she sits on the Board of Directors is not an independent profile.	~ WP:ABOUTSELF	Moot as clearly non-independent.	✘ No
Bloomberg Profile (1)	Per RSP, Bloomberg company and executive profiles are generally considered to be based on company press releases and should only be used as a source for uncontroversial information. There is consensus that these profiles should not be used to establish notability..	~ Company press releases are fine for WP:ABOUTSELF stuff.	Moot as non-independent.	✘ No
PR Newswire	Press Release	~ WP:ABOUTSELF	Moot as clearly non-independent.	✘ No
Bloomberg Profile (2)	Link is broken, and I can't find an archive, but the title indicates to me that this is a somewhat typical Bloomberg profile. Per RSP, Bloomberg company and executive profiles are generally considered to be based on company press releases and should only be used as a source for uncontroversial information. There is consensus that these profiles should not be used to establish notability..	~ WP:ABOUTSELF.	Moot as clearly non-independent.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

In this table, we've got two reliable, independent sources that provide this individual with WP:SIGCOV (I'm counting the second Nuevo Herald article as being equivalent to the Tribune News Service article; the two are written sentence-for-sentence so similarly that one has to be a translation of the other). In addition to those sources, there are also some additional sources not in the article that seem to offer WP:SIGCOV from independent reliable sources, such as a 1995 article in The Miami Herald, a 1999 article in The Miami Herald, and a 2004 article in The Miami Herald. These appear to push this individual to be more clearly over the notability threshold than I had expected at the onset of looking at this; ultimately, these articles, plus the first two sources listed in the source assessment table, are the sources that convince me that this individual meets WP:NBASIC/WP:GNG.

(As an aside: for filling in additional biographical details, there's of course interview that was mentioned above, as well as some other supplementary sources that don't contribute towards notability but could be used for that purpose, like the Orlando Business Journal, a Fortune Magazine list, Hispanic Executive, The Miami Herald, et cetera.) — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:57, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Keep I read the article and was ready to say "Yes, this subject is not notable," but then I got to the sources. Reliable publications have written non-trivial articles about Maria Sastre. My question is ...why? The original poster has a point: this is just a person who's had what looks like a successful but normal career. Did our fellow Wikieditors somehow draft this article and forget to say what Sastre did that was so important? Maybe the article should lead with something like "Sastre was the first person of Latin descent to hold position X" or "Sastre was the second woman to be elected to the board of Y" or whatever it was that made her so interesting to Miami Herald, Forbes, and el Nuevo Herald. Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:00, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I’ve given a more extended response on the article’s talk page, but in short she was the first woman to rise to the rank of VP at United, and that she rose up the ranks as a Latina in the 1980s was also something particularly of note for the Cuban diaspora in South Florida. The article needs to be expanded to give more of that info, but, as always, if editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting it. — Red-tailed sock _{(Red-tailed hawk's nest)} 22:30, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Superb. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Okay, Red and I did some more work on the article to make it more obvious why Sastre's seemingly normal but successful career is notable. It now reads "Among other positions, she was the first female regional vice president of United Airlines, a position she held from 1995 to 1999. She has since gone on to leadership roles in several other aviation-related organizations. Fortune named her one of the 50 most powerful Latinas of 2017." This is now a confident Keep from me. Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, per the source analysis above which proves notability. This AfD is a really awesome example of how a simple nom can result in some incredible work that results in keeping a previously unremarkable article. Extra kudos to those who have improved the article during the AfD. Zsinj^Talk 02:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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