The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP (no consensus). TigerShark (talk) 01:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Christian metal bands (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Redundant band list - content is already covered in Category:Christian metal groups Funeral 15:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong delete Basically a copy of the category with information already stated in other related articles. Timmeh^contribs 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep as a useful and sourced list. See WP:LIST for why there may be both a list and a cat. Bearian'sBooties (talk) 20:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This list is very difficult to maintain, given that labelling a band "Christian metal" is highly subjective. If some clear cut criteria for inclusion were written then I would consider changing my position. Kevin (talk) 01:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Redundant with the category, and serves only to be a constant battleground for addition and subtraction of links from anon editors. Chubbles (talk) 01:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as long as all of the other metal genres retain their lists, it is unfair to delete this entry. -RiverHockey (talk) 17:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• It's not just this list: [1] [2] [3][4] Funeral 17:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Category:Christian_metal_groups Serves the same purpose... listing other genres by bands only produces more argument. Axcess (talk) 18:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment "Category:A covers the items in this list" is only a poor argument when the list provides information that the category doesn't. This list, even with the sprinkling of references, fails to provide any further information than the category, therefore delete.--Alf ^melmac 18:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Lists and Categories can coexist quite happily togeather, so "already covered" is a moot argument. (eg, this list is in this Category). The list seems well defined in scope as Christian & metal music & Christian metal all are clearly definable. Well sourced (even though only 1 source is used... that can improove over time). Although I commend the Nominator for cleaning up all these[5] [6] [7][8] poorly defined lists. Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 04:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Though the article is partly sourced, has an infobox, etc., it really doesn't matter. Christian Metal is and always will be an umbrella term (eg. Extreme Metal). It is not even a playing style, for that matter. And that is precisely the reason why the article is so cluttered, and unreadable. This itself warrants its deletion. Also there is the "duplication of data" argument. Welt^anschaunng 15:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Should Metal music be deleted as it falls under the Umbrella of Rock & Roll? Should Rock & Roll be deleted as it falls under the Umbrella of Music? Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 04:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• I am not asking for deleting Christian Metal. It would indeed be stupid to have list of metal bands. Welt^anschaunng 11:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Or List of music groups for that matter. - Axcess (talk) 17:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• So Category:Lists of bands being populated by lists is a bad thing ? This would be served well by an Article of the same name, to explain the differences between the different lists. Thats what the advantage of a list is over a Category. Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 03:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• The List in question looks and fits perfectly well in with the rest of the lists that make up Category:Lists_of_metal_bands. It is well defined and it is no more unmaintainable than any other list on WP. Your insistence that it is redundant holds no water as a reason for deletion. As a matter of fact, as an Article, it actually has much more prose than other Articles in that category, and would technically be the least likely to be deleted. Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 02:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I agree with Exit2DOS2000, that although categories may be somewhat easier to maintain, an article list can coexist together and can do a lot more than what a normal category can. Also, Weltan you yourself have been working on the list of thrash metal bands and making it more than just a list so you should understand this part of it at least. Although, I understand extreme metal and Christian metal bands are umbrella terms but being a list they would be going into a territory that is too broad. But this is for all lists, they all have the capability of becoming more than just a list, becoming a list within a list, a chronology, quick individual histories about bands that played the genre or at a time played it and their albums of that style and more possibilities. Just take that into consideration for all lists. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 05:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I am not against lists in general. I have voiced my support for list of black metal bands, even though it is nowhere near what list of thrash metal bands is. I understand fully the importance of lists over categories [9]. My point here is that list of christian metal bands includes bands from death metal, Unblack metal, Doom metal, Heavy metal, Progressive metal, thrash metal, Metalcore, Industrial Metal, Power Metal, etc. What is common in all those genres, except the word metal? Christian metal bands are related lyrically and nothing beyond that. And, except for the lyrics, for me, its just list of metal bands. The list is a bit unreadable too, as the genres have been placed against the band names. Maybe the expandable list feature could be applied, but still I don't think the list really needs to be. Welt^anschaunng 07:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - for now. Debate raises wider issues of whether lists or categories should be used for navigation by readers. Addhoc (talk) 20:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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