The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Although strong concerns about a rather concerted effort by a family member in play, there appears to be enough sources to now meet GNG and ENT (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:05, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jannike Kruse Jåtog (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • Stats)

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Non-notable Norwegian actress. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:45, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:59, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:59, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per meeting WP:ENT,[1] and apparently WP:GNG.[2] Enlist assistance from Norse-reading Wikipedians in translating sources and improving the article, as notable to Norway is perfectly fine for en.Wikipedia. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 08:45, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete I disagree that she meets WP:ENT as she seems to have only had minor roles in the TV series and few movies she's been in. She seems to be on the borderline of WP:GNG. I put the first ten Google News hits through Google translate and got (list re-ordered):
  • [3] is an article actually about her, talking about the release of an album.
  • [4] and [5] say she played the title role in the opera "Donna Bacalao", which seems to be notable;
  • [6] and [7] are routine reviews of concerts she sang in, which say nothing about her;
  • [8] is a TV review that only mentions her once;
  • [9] says she's voice-acting for Norwegian Bob the Builder but doesn't mention her except in the cast list;
  • cinemaview.sk no longer exists and the two pages within mil.no that used to mention her are dead (and the site search engine returns no hits for "Kruse").

Dricherby (talk) 21:57, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Changed to weak keep. I still think she's on the borderline of notability but I now feel that she's probably on the notable side of the border. Dricherby (talk) 08:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - You can't trust other wikis when it comes to establishing notability. WP:ENT says actors should have "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." The notability of most of the films she has had any role in has not been established per WP:MOVIE and it doesn't appear she has had significant roles in the movies that aren't red links. Therefore, she doesn't meet the criteria of WP:ENT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.201.160.18 (talk) 23:44, 12 June 2012 (UTC) — 108.201.160.18 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Keep - I've added a reference to her article in Store Norske Leksikon, a general-purpose paper encyclopedia, which make her notable. Article needs clean-up, as it looks like a rough translation from the article on no:wiki. Mentoz86 (talk) 09:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is that a reliable source? The Wikipedia article on Store Norske Leksikon says that it's now a user-editable online encyclopaedia (essentially, a Norwegian-only rival to Wikipedia). Dricherby (talk) 10:10, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Although the online version is now editable, the history of the Kruse Jåtog article appears to indicate that it was transcribed from the print edition in 2009 and has not been altered since, so if the print edition can be considered reliable, I suspect this online version has the same reliability. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:47, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • OK. Dricherby (talk) 15:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep While GNG is demonstrated above (print encyc, first link provided in Dricherby's analysis), it also appears that some commenters missed that many sources omit "Jaton", e.g. see, [10], [11]. --j⚛e decker^talk 14:45, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Excellent. Now we have GNG as well as ENT being met. Well done. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:00, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - As I noted at the Erling O. Kruse DRV request to restore the Erling O. Kruse article, my impression is that someone is trying to put the Kruse genealogy in English Wikipedia:

• Anine Kruse Skatrud (a redirect)
• Benedikte Kruse (a redirect)
• Bjørn Kruse
• Jannike Kruse Jåtog (which now is at this AfD)
• Philip Kruse
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Astrid E. Kruse Andersen (Husband is Bjørn G. Andersen)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dag Anders Grothaug Kruse
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erling O. Kruse (now at DRV)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Just Kruse

The Erling O. Kruse article notes how the above are all related. NOT:GENEALOGICAL ENTRIES comes to mind. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 06:57, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User:Knuand wrote all those articles. But even if an editor translates articles about his family from Norwegian, we should keep the two articles that are notable. Mentoz86 (talk) 08:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is also Even Kruse Skatrud, as I noted at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Just_Kruse. Dricherby (talk) 08:53, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't belive what I can see here "Mentoz86", you have forgotten your role her Delete Kruse from Wiki!! Knuand (talk) 11:43, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I have to admit to have written this artcle! I'm the cousin of her father - God Forbid!! You can not live with an article written by someone who actually know somwthing about this persen. If I have got this right people could come to get relevant information from this articles, and that wasn't what you planned. I for one would be confused when advicing my students not to use Wikipedia as a reliable source! PS! I'm so ashamed of myself, I wrote the article about my father Bjørn G. Andersen, and now you know what you have to do!! I also added Even Kruse Skatrud to your Wiki, and he is married to my cousins daughter. This stinks!! Knuand (talk) 12:12, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please assume good faith, and remember that Wikipedia does not accept original research - it is about what can be verified, not 'the truth'. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:50, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep he is a notable person. Been in many films. OracleB (talk) 12:22, 21 June 2012 (UTC) — OracleB (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside of AfD. [reply]

• "Mentoz86" praises the job of deleting Just Kruse, Erling O. Kruse, Astrid Kruse, Dag Kruse, Anine Kruse and Benedikte Kruse from eng. Wiki, at norwegian Wiki and gives warnings about me as a writer. Now "Mentoz86" has started the same Vendetta at norwegian Wiki. I don't know why this is happening, onely that it is annoying for "Mentoz86" to see people from the Kruse-family at Wiki. Knuand (talk) 13:28, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Why is more then one entry from the same family problematic? I can't understand that this is a criteria for delition. Obviously it is so and some of the partisipants here don't want to have "Kruse" at Wiki. Why? Knuand (talk) 13:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no problem having more than one entry for the same family, as long as the people individually meet the criteria for inclusion within Wikipedia, such as the general notability guidelines. Note specifically that notability is not inhereted so being the father/mother/son/daughter/etc. of a notable person is not enough on its own. Dricherby (talk) 14:26, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The discussion above indicates otherwise ... Knuand (talk) 14:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Focus gentlemen... focus. Any issues with other articles need be discussed at talk pages or AFDs for those other articles or talk pages of the article's author(s). HERE we are speaking about the notability or lack of Jannike Kruse Jåtog. Best we stay on topic. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 15:20, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• (edit conflict) Comment This discussion has moved far off topic (the topic being the notability of Jannike Kruse Jåtog). Since Knuand seems to feel that there is a broader problem, I recommend that he seek redress in the appropriate forum (perhaps WP:RFC or even WP:ANI if he feels that administrator action is required). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• It seems like I'm the problem to User:Uzma Gamal and User:Mentoz86. They don't want "Kruse" on Wiki. I don't know whay! Knuand (talk) 16:35, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• In Norway everybody knows who Jannike is! She has been on TV-shovs, reality series and played main roles in action series on NRK. This is rather like a farse, because I think you should know! (But I'm norwegian) Knuand (talk) 21:46, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • If everyone in Norway knows who she is, it should be easy for you to add some reliable sources for the article. Sources in English would be ideal but sources in Norwegian would be fine, too. Dricherby (talk) 21:53, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • And the point being missed Knuand, is that it looks like there is enough sourcing available so that the Jannike Kruse Jåtog article is going to be kept. Was your own delete above intended to be sarcastic? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 02:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Bravo - yoy got it!! Knuand (talk) 06:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • As there is only one !vote per customer, perhaps you will strike it out as well, now that your point has been made? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:47, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• I just can't belive that this kind of ignorance exists! Knuand (talk) 08:07, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• To me, questioning Jannikes notability is just as if I should question the notability of Cate Blanchett Knuand (talk) 08:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - The topic lacks the significant coverage required by WP:GNG and does not meet WP:ENT. On top of that, we have NOT:GENEALOGICAL ENTRIES policy issues noted above and a Kruse topic WP:COI editor going around from one place to another making accusations that violate WP:AFG against anyone who has an opinion different from that editor. The purported paper encyclopedia reference to Store norske leksikon noted above in fact is the online Great Norwegian encyclopedia owned by Freedom of Expression and the Savings Bank Foundation as a non-profit organization that, like Wikipedia, works with knowledge dissemination.[12] The content the online encyclopedia provides on Jannike Kruse is not much more than a listing of her jobs rather than a detailed written account of her life and fails to provide significant coverage. WP:GNG requires multiple sources, not just one, that provide significant coverage, and the other references noted above do not assist in this. The topic also needs to meet Wikipedia:Notability (people):entertainers. No one has (1) cited to any significant roles Jannike Krus has had in films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions or (2) shown that any of those productions are notable. Both these are required by WP:ENT, so the topic fails Wikipedia:Notability (people). -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The actions and COI of the article's creator are irrelevant to whether the page should be deleted. The page is a biography, not a genealogy, so WP:NOTDIR doesn't seem to apply. Dricherby (talk) 15:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - This actres and singer artist has had many major roles in plays at central Norwegian theathers like Nationaltheatret and Riksteatret, the main role as Sonja in the play Reisen til Julestjernen at the Nationaltheatret in Oslo 1993, for one. She has also let out several music albums in Norway with the record Jannike Kruse – Med Andre Ord (in other words) (2009), presented at NRK 21 April 2009, as the most prominent. Beside this she has partisipated in several films, with role caracter Merete in the comedy film A Somewhat Gentle Man with Stellan Skarsgård as Ulrik, as the most important, series with the main character as Police investigator Randi Johansen, a TV series by Nordisk Film of one of Unni Lindells books about Cato Isaksen as one, and Norwegian TV-shows like Beat for Beat – tone for tone (program 12) with the programleader Ivar Dyrhaug as one, another was a big reality show in Norway Spellemann på taket (Fiddler on the roof), with Kåre Conradi as partner, as the most famous. I can go on and on like this if that is what you want!! ... But I think this will do for now ... Knuand (talk) 15:44, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing editor: Knuand has already !voted above. Dricherby (talk) 16:50, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He acknowledged when asked that it was intended as sarcasm. Perhaps he will strike it out... or perhaps the closer will recognize it as the disgruntled author's non-vote intended. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:47, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• No, this is not what we want. You need to present reliable sources to back up these claims. You need to demonstrate that the films and plays she has appeared in are notable (the sources that show she was in them may help to establish notability there). Dricherby (talk) 16:50, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• My feeling here, is that the criteria for notability is somewhat different for different entries ... Knuand (talk) 08:42, 23 June 2012 (UTC)Knuand (talk) 07:59, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• An other example: Bjørn Kruse - to me it would be rather obvious that his notability is established!! But no ... there must be a STGMA connekted to the Kruse-name. Knuand (talk) 09:45, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• One more eksample to illustrate Even Kruse Skatrud - I say no more ... Knuand (talk) 09:45, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• To clarify: Are there two standards for notability on Wikipedia - one for Kruse contributions and another for other contributions? Knuand (talk) 10:04, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • No. There is one standard for notability. That standard is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" and it applies to all articles on Wikipedia, whether they are about somebody called Kruse or anything else. You have been told this several times. Dricherby (talk) 12:28, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• I do not contes this, and I do appriciate it! It is the practice that is problematic: Too many people are too concerned with deliting other peoples work. There has evolved a culture of "outing" others, or taking other contributors down, and especially new ones, like mee. This is a problem you should be more aware of! I don't want to be a "pain in the ass", my agenda is to adress a problem ... Knuand (talk) 19:49, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I had decided to leave English Wiki for good, after the delition of my entry on my mother Astrid E. Kruse Anderssen. It wasen't until this figure "Mentoz86" began to spread sewage about me at Norwegian Wiki that I got really angry, and thought that I had to stand up ... (I had no idea of how things where sorted out here at Wiki, onely an idea about rools ...). But this trigged me, and now I'm ready to fight!! Knuand (talk) 21:36, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

...and when I saw this figure "Uzma Gamal" starting to elaborate on my connections with the Kruse family, it made me really furious!! Knuand (talk) 21:47, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You've been pointed various times to policies like assume good faith so you should no better than to post this. You may also like to read wikipedia is not a battleground --62.254.139.60 (talk) 08:01, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.