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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 13:32, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm having trouble determining the demonstrated notability of this artist. I gather there are biographical sketches in these two sources [1][2], but they would seem to be in the nature of exhibition catalogues - not independent. The other material provided is of the same type: mentions and exhibition bio bits. Overall, I don't believe WP:NARTIST is satisfied. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 00:12, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Mexico-related deletion discussions. feminist (talk) 02:56, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. feminist (talk) 02:56, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:57, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I think that proposing that Ortiz is not notable because these two collections of biographies are not independent would be taking Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources beyond where it was intended to go. These are not press releases or sales catalogues. One might argue that the Schaaf, the director of the Center For Indigenous Arts & Cultures is a self-published author, because CIAF is the the publisher. But the book contains 2,000 biographies, and unless the subjects paid Schaaf to be included, I don't think its neutrality has been compromised. Schaaf's work is scholarly, not promotional. As for Fourteen families in Pueblo pottery, its author, Rick Dillingham doesn't seem to have a CoI with Inez Ortiz. I think it would be most unfortunate if we decided that we can't use museum catalogues as sources on artists because they're published by the University of New Mexico Press, which is connected to the Maxwell Museum of Anthropology. I don't think that creates a problem with regards to neutrality towards the subject, which I see as the main concern for the explanatory supplement on independent sources. Vexations (talk) 13:05, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article definitely could use some reworking and is not in a very good condition as of now, but the subject I believe fulfills our notability guideline even just limited to the sources presented in the article. 107.77.203.224 (talk) 19:22, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I cleaned up the references and found that her work in the collection of the Birmingham Museum of Art. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Megalibrarygirl: Not that I doubt you, but is that the correct ref? Can't find any mention of her there. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:54, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Elmidae: The ref is funny. There's a slideshow that shows the work in the collection. As the slideshow is going through slides, you can see that one of them is Ortiz. It would probably be better to go to the museum catalog, but I didn't have the time and when I found that, I was pretty happy and wanted to add it and share. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:54, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work guys, those museum holdings ought to do it. (Still can't see the one at Birmingham though) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:16, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:HEY. Museum holdings means she meets the criteria at WP:NARTIST.4meter4 (talk) 04:43, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - She is a well known Cochiti Pueblo (Northern New Mexico) potter. She is also known by the name Juanita Inez Ortiz, and comes from a long lineage of Native American potters and artists. Her work is in the Smithsonian Museum collection, and the Spencer Muswum of Art. She clearly meets our criteria for WP:ARTIST. Netherzone (talk) 13:20, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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