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The result was Keep. Eluchil404 (talk) 00:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)(non-admin closure)[reply]

Holly Lodge Girls' College (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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The entry fails WP:NSCHOOL. All but one of the sources in the current article are not independent of the subject. Furthermore, a WP:BEFORE search was composed mainly of one local publication, the Liverpool Echo, which doesn't look particularly reliable and does not demonstrate it deserving more notability than any other local school in the area. If reliable sources are found, please ping me. KangarooGymnast (talk) 00:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and England. KangarooGymnast (talk) 00:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Have re-worked article and added sources. Note that it is referred to by several names - Holly Lodge Girls' School, Holly Lodge Secondary High School for Girls, Holly Lodge School, Holly Lodge Comprehensive, Holly Lodge Girls' College, Holly Lodge Grammar School, Holly Lodge Girls' Grammar School. It has a couple of notable former pupils and a notable head. It was part of the Militant-influenced school reorganisation of the 1980s, with its closure or merging squashed by Keith Joseph. This history and the influence of the school on the area over the 100+ years it has existed has in my view led to enough coverage to satisfy WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. I also think there will be coverage in offline published sources - biographies and memoirs. Tacyarg (talk) 23:33, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - per WP:HEY. Tacyarg has added information and a very large number of sources, and the page is considerably improved. Having said that, I would caution that these sources all appear to be primary (see: WP:PRIMARYNEWS) and much of the information is arguably trivial. This is not a clear GNG pass by any means. However it is a secondary school that has been in existence since 1922, serves a community with an enrolment close to 1,000. It seems likely that a school of that size and that age is notable. I presume Tacyarg is not done yet, and I think this one crosses the line. If it doesn't, there are probably a lot of secondary schools that need deleting. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 23:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  And to add, my keep edit conflicted with Tacyarg. I agree that the the militant-influenced reorganisation is likely to take this one clearly over the line. There must surely be secondary sources about that. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 23:40, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I agree with both editors that the sources are sufficient and note that I disagree with Sirfurboy re: whether news reports can be counted as secondary (I believe that a news report from reliable publications which isn't a first-hand account is a secondary source). Either way, there's little question this meets NSCHOOL. DCsansei (talk) 06:32, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  For guidance on news reports being primary sources, please refer to WP:PRIMARYNEWS and the policy in WP:PRIMARY (especially note d). I cannot see any news report on this page that is not a primary source. can you? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:04, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.