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The result was keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:44, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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This is an unincorporated spot, that doesn't show any notability. It's not a Census-designated place or a seat for a township. The sole source here is that the US Geological survey saying that it exists. Google didn't turn up much either. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:20, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Again, whether this unincorporated community has a zip code or not is irrelevant. Whether this is a township seat is irrelevant. Whether this is or ever was a notable place is the question. The nominator's contention that Google "didn't turn up much" is not entirely correct, as these things go. Take, for example, this HISTORY OF THE GOOD INTENT FIRE COMPANY of Pottsville, published in 1899, noting organization in 1846. Is that a firm name or is that a firm name derived from a place name? Is that a firm name that provided the origin of a future community place name? Not entirely clear. Carrite (talk) 17:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm assuming good faith here, so I'd appreciate it if you do the same. I'm not "entirely incorrect". In fact, you're pretty incorrect. That source is about a fire company in Pottsville, which is on the other side of the state. While you're wildly guessing about company names etc, I'm not. Since I'm actually familiar with the location, I don't have to chase my tail about a fire company that doesn't exist (because Good Intent doesn't have one. They're covered by one of the Finley townships.), from a town on the other side of the state. Good Intent is a sign post and a gas station. That's it. A township seat or zip code would give some indication that we might find notability. WP:ITEXISTS and WP:ENN tell us that simply existing isn't enough. There needs to be significant coverage by reliable third party sources. Niteshift36 (talk) 17:16, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• If you look at your source, it is made clear that they're talking about Pottsville, Pennsylvania, the county seat of Schuylkill County, and that is has nothing at all to do with Good Intent. Niteshift36 (talk) 17:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your sneering demeanor notwithstanding (love the bolding, nice), I tend to agree with you at this point that Good Intent is a non-notable unincorporated suburb of Pottsville. There is certainly a far less substantial case here than there, if you follow me. Try a little WP:AGF, it works wonders... Carrite (talk) 18:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC) Last edit:Carrite (talk) 18:30, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• You have zero room to talk about AGF my friend. And you are still not getting it. I don't know or care if there is a suburb of Pottsville called Good Intent. We're talking about the one in Washington County, not Schuylkill County. Your source (and apparently you) are talking about the wrong place. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to fix that but got shut down by a site interruption. Your point is well taken about my pdf link being to a company in another part of the state, now fixed. Best regards, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 18:30, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Not finding any indication that this is a commonly used designation for a populated place, backed by sourcing. Carrite (talk) 18:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• And I removed my bold print. You're right, it wasn't really necessary.Niteshift36 (talk) 18:37, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - would this source help establish notability and common-use designation for a populated place? 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 18:57, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Nice article, but I don't see where it really demonstrates notability. In fact, the anecdote about how it got left off the map tends to indicate how non-notable it is. Niteshift36 (talk) 19:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Yes, it would. Striking my delete, I will sit this one out. Carrite (talk) 19:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Further Comment (more sources): rather than add clutter here, I added more potential sources to the talk page 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 21:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep According to the five pillars, Wikipedia is a gazetteer, and therefore should include articles on all verified settlements. Based on WP:OUTCOMES and a whole lot of past AfDs, there is a lot of precedent for keeping settlement articles as well. The GNIS citation in the article and the source provided by 78.26 show that this is a verified place. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 19:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Once again, nobody disputes that it's there. I attended elementary school there. Actually, the 5 pillars doesn't say this is a gazetteer. It says it combines features of gazettees with other things. While Outcomes is interesting, it's not policy or even a guideline. It certainly doesn't carry more weight than WP:NGEO, which tells us that populated places without a legal designations need to pass GNG or be redirected to the bigger entity (in this case West Finley Township, Washington County, Pennsylvania. Niteshift36 (talk) 19:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. TheCatalyst31 is correct. This is a real place, and we've now found some substantial coverage. That's enough. --Arxiloxos (talk) 20:31, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. OUTCOMES documents the overwhelming precedent at past AFDs that real communities whose existence is proven will be kept; this article is no different from the subjects of past AFDs. A major reason that we keep communities is that local histories are routinely printed about them, although many haven't yet made it online; someone who visits the Washington city library or the university libraries in Washington, California, or Pittsburgh will find reliable local histories that discuss this community's history. Meanwhile, note that there's no such designation as "township seat", at least in Pennsylvania. Nyttend (talk) 20:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• The township seat is a relative term. It would be where the board actually meets or even where the township gets their mail. Neither would apply here. I happen to be one of those who has been to the libraries you mentioned. Even the offices of the newspaper in question. I know my personal experience isn't a reliable source, but it does seem strange that the only person in this conversation that has actually been there is the one who knows it isn't notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per TheCatalyst31. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • AAPT) 18:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per TheCatalyst31. Thank you-RFD (talk) 15:42, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I have expanded the article with sources found. There are two sources with significant, reliable coverage (White, Roddy). 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 15:46, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Coal town guyCoal town guy (talk) 20:22, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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