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The result was delete‎. The source analysis is pretty convincing so I'm closing this as Delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article about a local artist created by a now banned editor who acknowledged a WP:COI with the subject. Does not appear to meet WP:ARTIST and a WP:BEFORE search does not appear to show any WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG Melcous (talk) 23:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Connecticut, Maine, and New Jersey. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep I found some more recent information, including a very long article in the New Haven Independent which has info that should be added to the article. (I did some minor additions and included this as a reference.) I also found that he has a piece permanently in the Hood Museum of Art at Dartmouth. Since the notability criteron is stated as a plural ("been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums") this probably falls short. I have read in informal accounts that he had a major exhibit at Yale's Peabody museum but haven't nailed that down. In G-Books there are gallery guides that show that he had exhibits but these are mere listings of times and places Lamona (talk) 05:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]
• Comment - I updated the expired 404 citations with archives and I think there might be a possibility he's notable. Once I go thru the updated sources, will !vote. Not totally sure yet, as the first source is really about a hardware store, not him, the second source is about an open studio tour (with just a picture and mention of him.) The fifth source doesn't mention him at all, which is how far I got so far. Some of the reviews seem fine, however whether he meets GNG and the stricter NARTIST criteria to be determined. Netherzone (talk) 01:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment This article is ref bombed with sources that are just passing mentions. Multiple citations for the identity of his wife, 7 sources for the lede. Not a reason for deletion, but still the article needs some editing. Specifically bio info from his personal website The Hood Museum piece is a donation from the Dartmouth's Class of 1978 (his alma mater and class). --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Well, nothing in the Getty ULAN, [1], and I don't see notability otherwise. Sources as mentioned are passing mentions or just not helpful. the COI banned editor showing this is PROMO Oaktree b (talk) 00:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: appears to be notable from what I can see. StewdioMACK (talk) 20:24, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus. A source analysis would be helpful at this point.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Here is the requested source analysis. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://web.archive.org/web/20120910171916/http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2010/04/29/news/new_haven/doc4bd8f9b661725235986130.txt			article about hardware store	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20101103022230/http://newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/city-wide_open_studios_the_westville_renaissance/id_30327		blog post	local review of exhibition	✘ No
https://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/article/thrown_for_a_curve/		blog post	artilce about Gallery 195	✘ No
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/04/27/realestate/for-1-the-best-little-warehouse-in-new-haven.html			behind paywall	? Unknown
https://web.archive.org/web/20120910172028/http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2010/07/11/news/doc4c392b0a0f581383306064.txt			article about New Haven Arena	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20120921233449/http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2002/sep/13/a-hidden-secret-in-subdued-westville/			article about real estate and physical studio	✘ No
webarchive.loc.gov/all/20080918035854/http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/gone_dishin/		blog post	arts listing	✘ No
https://www.newhavenindependent.org/article/the_hands_of_gar_waterman				✔ Yes
http://garwaterman.com/bio/		artist's own website		✘ No
https://hoodmuseum.dartmouth.edu/news/2015/01/recent-acquisitions-gar-waterman-feral-seed			note of Hood Museum aquisition	✔ Yes
https://www.huinoeau.com/art-events/2023/1/talk-story-with-2023-artist-in-residence-gar-waterman			announcement of welcome party	✘ No
https://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/article/whalley_avenue_of_their_dreams/			article about traffic flow on Whalley Avenue	✘ No
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/29/style/thea-buxbaum-gar-waterman.html			wedding annoucnment	✘ No
https://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/article/bza_to_rule_whether_bed_and_breakfast_is_inn_or_out/			article about wife's B&B	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20100726212850/http://www.naia.com.fj/post.php?stone-nudis-18			call for photographs	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

• Delete - I was on the fence about this article, however the detailed source analysis by WomenArtistUpdates helped to clarify. It takes a long time to construct these, thanks for taking the time to do so. I can read the "unknown" source in the table, it's an article in the NYT real estate ("Habitat") section. It's in-depth, but it's about a warehouse he and his wife purchased. It's not an analytical/critical review of his work. Although he's been working for some time, I think it is still TOOSOON for an encyclopedia article. Netherzone (talk) 13:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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