The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Just noting that a version exists in Draft space that editors can work on in case this agency gets closer to existing. But the draft should pass through WP:AFC or it could be tagged CSD G4. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:42, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't believe this meets the notability criteria. The "proposed agency" was mentioned by Trump in a social media post, so it's not clear it will actually be created; no other politician or policymaker has seriously discussed the proposal, and no legislative action has been taken to create the agency. CatoTheWiseAss (talk) 20:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Draftify: Likely WP:TOOSOON for mainspace as a future planned US government department [sic], but Draft:External Revenue Service should be developed with relevant material in case this becomes a real plan. Novemberjazz 20:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  There's no valuable content in the article. We don't have any details of this hypothetical agency, and the current piece reads like it was written by a pro-Trump LLM:

  This initiative is part of Trump's broader trade policy, which includes imposing tariffs on imports from foreign countries to enforce an "America-first" approach.Trump announced this plan on his Truth Social network, emphasizing the need for foreign entities to pay their "fair share" from trade profits.The creation of this service reflects Trump's commitment to his campaign promises regarding trade levies.

  CatoTheWiseAss (talk) 20:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Social media trends aren't reliable sources and this feels like a joke rejected by Merry Melodies c. 1939 that we've all made once and then said 'never using that joke' again. Nate • (chatter) 21:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - WP:SPECULATION - Please see History of taxation in the United States. I believe this would take an act of the US Congress to create - the very attempt of which would create a lot of ticked off constituents. Either way, this is not likely to bear fruition anytime soon. — Maile (talk) 00:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics, Economics, and United States of America. WCQuidditch ✎ 02:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Based on https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113827650534234057 but now Time https://time.com/7206986/trump-external-revenue-service-tariffs-taxes/ and UPI https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-proposes-external-revenue-service-to-tax-foreign-sources/ar-AA1xcB5s?ocid=BingNewsSerp, Reuters, CBS, etc. are covering it. Arbeiten8 (talk) 03:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Reuters, CBS, et al. are covering Trump's social media post, not the actual agency. There's still zero indication that this agency will every be established, or that anyone will even try to establish it. It's total nonsense. CatoTheWiseAss (talk) 20:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom., WP:TOOSOON, and WP:CRYSTAL. Sal2100 (talk) 22:24, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. We do not have to cover everything Trump says. Esolo5002 (talk) 23:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. It's a serious plan by someone who is about to be president of the United States. It's being covered by media outlets and treated like a serious plan too. Of course, the idea is crazy, but we also have an article for a fictitious cabinet department named after an internet meme headed by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, so I don't think this is too far out there. We have even decided to keep articles for random Twitter shitposters, and this — a serious plan proposed by the president-elect — is certainly more notable than that. It should be noted that the article itself needs significant reworking regardless. Gore2000 (talk) 20:52, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  It's not a serious proposal. DOGE has been pretty widely discussed by members of Congress and the media–there's even a caucus. Additionally, Trump can (and plans to) establish DOGE as an advisory committee by executive order. On the other hand, the "ERS" would require Congressional legislation, and it's not clear that he plans to introduce, or would be able to pass, such legislation.

  Without follow-up by Trump, this is an article about a social media post. That's not notable. See WP:NOTNEWS, WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. CatoTheWiseAss (talk) 20:48, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Foreign policy of the second Donald Trump administration, in the tariffs section. That article will be merited in a couple of days. Alternately merge to Second presidential transition of Donald Trump. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The foreign policy article should cover actually policy, not random tweets. This proposal, unless someone takes steps to implement it, will be totally irrelevant in a few news cycles. It's too soon to have an article discuss it. CatoTheWiseAss (talk) 19:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Trump is right now promising to establish the External Revenue Service in his inauguration speech to perform many functions of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Arbeiten8 (talk) 17:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep He's just mentioned it in his inauguration speech and given the likes of the Associated Press and Time have mentioned it, means I don't think CRYSTAL/TOOSOON applies here since it seems more than likely it will happen in the coming days. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  "it seems more than likely than" is the definition of WP:CRYSTAL/WP:TOOSOON. But, even if he does introduce legislation creating this agency soon, it's a long road to passage. Pending legislation doesn't meet the notability requirements. CatoTheWiseAss (talk) 01:24, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • CRYSTAL clearly says "All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred". Which clearly is the case here given the verified coverage before and after President Trump's inaguration speech. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as above, like Department of Government Efficiency Splatterxl – talk 20:59, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  As I discussed above, there's a key difference between DOGE and ERS. DOGE can be created by executive order, but this agency would require Congressional legislation. Besides, DOGE already exists, but this is just an idea. An idea doesn't warrant an article. CatoTheWiseAss (talk) 01:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Due to the press coverage and the fact that it's been mentioned in the inauguration speech. Aŭstriano (talk) 21:10, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It still doesn't meet notability requirements. He mentioned it, but that doesn't mean he'll move forward with it or that the agency will end up being created. If a bill is introduced or actual action is taken, we should reassess, but for now this isn't notable. CatoTheWiseAss (talk) 01:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: for the reasons enumerated in my original post and subsequent discussion CatoTheWiseAss (talk) 21:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Economic policy of the second Donald Trump administration, and yes, I know that this page is currently a redirect to the main DJT article, but it's an article which will certainly have to be created soon. At this point the proposal is a notable part of his larger economic and fiscal policy agenda, and was mentioned in his inaugural address. But I do agree that it's not yet quite at the point of warranting an article of its own, in large part since there simply aren't yet many details known about this proposal. But if/when it's further developed, this could well change. -2003:CA:8723:6551:3D79:C1D4:E66F:E1D6 (talk) 23:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 02:40, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• delete per WP:CRYSTAL as we do not need a separate article on everything Trump throws out along the way. If anything ever comes of it, OK, but not now. Mangoe (talk) 04:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Right now this is just something Trump mentioned. If something happens then sure, but currently it's a bit too soon to know if that something will actually happen. -Samoht27 (talk) 17:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as per WP:TOOSOON. LibStar (talk) 06:23, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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