Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Examples of groups
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Group (mathematics)#Examples and applications. History preserved in page history for attribution purposes. Liz Read! Talk! 23:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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Unreferenced arbitrary (WP:INDISCRIMINATE) collection of examples. Fails WP:V, WP:GNG. Also seems redundant to FA Group (mathematics); even the lead says plainly: "examples of groups in mathematics are given on Group (mathematics). Further examples are listed here". If kept, this probably should be renamed to List of groups in mathematics, but it would need referencing and sources showing how it could meet WP:NLIST, and clear rationale why some examples are shown here and not in the main prose FA article. Do we need a technically infinite list of examples of groups? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Mathematics and Lists. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. As nom stated, this is redundant of the article Group (mathematics). Waddles 🗩 🖉 15:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Agree with nominator and follow up response. — MaxnaCarta ( • ) 01:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as essentially redundant to the main article. That being said, there's probably a reasonable navigational list to be had for our various articles on specific groups and types/classes of groups, but this isn't even remotely that. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above (though I am not opposed to a renaming). desmay (talk) 05:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Dihedral group of order 8 redirects to the dihedral group of order 8 section here. Assuming this article is deleted, we'll probably want a standalone article on D4, just as we have for D3. It'll be easiest if we can repurpose info from this article, such as the Cayley table from Examples of groups#Normal subgroup, as well as the Cayley graph (cube version) from the main section. However, to accomplish that while preserving article history, we would need to conduct an article split prior to deletion. Could the AfD closer do this, or does it need to be done beforehand? (In which case please let me know, I'm happy to do it myself.) Preimage (talk) 02:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Preimage It might be best to do it beforehand; closers are often too busy or uninterested in such actions. As for preserving of history for attribution, this could be done by redirecting this instead of hard deleting (perhaps to Group (mathematics)). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and move to List of mathematical groups. WP:V is not an issue because the group theory literature is enormous. I could easily see this as becoming the article to link to with {{main article}} from List of group theory topics#Basic types of groups, which lists a number of other groups that could be expanded on. Duckmather (talk) 04:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to consider the Redirection suggestion which might be necessary for attribution purposes. A closer might close this as Delete so if you want to preserve any content, do it now.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Group (mathematics)#Examples and applications: To preserve the article history. This article should not be moved to List of mathematical groups as almost no text in the present version would be usable. It contains way too much instructive prose for indiscriminately chosen examples. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 08:32, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Piotrus and @Liz. I've now copied the D4 content to Draft:Dihedral group of order 8, and there's a clear consensus to delete, so I guess someone (the closer?) just needs to redirect to Group (mathematics)#Examples and applications as suggested by @Helpful Raccoon.
I've chosen to draftify because I'm not a group theory expert and the article isn't yet in a clean enough state to put on main. I'm also uncertain how much value it adds over the existing articles Dihedral group of order 6 and Dihedral group. One option would be to make it into another "elementary group theory" article, analogous to D3, which I guess I can do if people think it would be useful.
Lastly, the main Dihedral group article should mention , as detailed in Semidirect product#Dihedral group; I'll also try and make this change. Preimage (talk) 13:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC) - Redirect to Group (mathematics)#Examples and applications in order to preserve the edit history for attribution purposes. Draft:Dihedral group of order 8 is not currently ready for prime time; it needs editing for encyclopedic tone and the addition of appropriate sources, at the very least. XOR'easter (talk) 19:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.