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The result was keep (non-admin closure). Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:45, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dresden English Football Club (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Does not meet GNG, and the assertion of notability is not verifiable. The article is so poorly written as to preclude accuracy because it conflicts with itself. As an example, it was either started by Englishmen, or by British and US athletes. The lede indicates that the main source for information is "lost" (which causes me to wonder if this is real), and seems to be a POINT issue for the article creator. MSJapan (talk) 20:54, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 12:50, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:00, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The de.wikipedia article has none of these peculiarities, and look: an article about it in Die Welt, published 2006. There's also a picture. I will dig further. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:36, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - covered by Die Welt amongst others, appears to meet GNG. Nees improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 08:48, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep notable as first of its kind and sufficient sourcing for something happening 140 years ago. Agathoclea (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Notable, and although it appeared to be a case for WP:TNT, User: Ben Ben has made a good start. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:45, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - It looks better, but the citations are still very thin; there's only one that meets RS (Die Welt). The Dresdner FC one is SPS and maybe not independent, and Blogspot is certainly not RS. I'm especially concerned notability-wise that this club got less than a page in an entire book on the history of football in Germany. I'm also concerned that perhaps the article creator wrote the book due to the SPA nature of the account and the Amazon.de link, but that's wholly speculative. MSJapan (talk) 18:22, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Further - I also went to Commons because the licenses on the article creator's photos are grossly suspect, and it appears that whoever User:Wikipediohacker is, he is a sock of an indef-banned user. As they seem to know more about it on Commons, I've asked for someone to communicate to enwiki about it. MSJapan (talk) 18:38, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I made the same observations and added him to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Fox53. The article needs a complete rewrite; as I say, I'm grateful for the start that's been made. I hope to do some serious helping so that those who can't read German can make a better determination. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The Dresden English Football Club was the first Association football club outside Britain. Clearly notable. This really needs to be disproven (or shown to be doubtful) before going for deletion. We're trying to build an encyclopedia here, not tear one down. JASpencer (talk) 20:22, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep now. The article was a mess when MSJapan brought it to AfD, junk based on hearsay. After Yngvadottirs excellent rework it could go for DYK now. Thanks to both. --Ben Ben (talk) 12:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Is there anyone who really thinks that this will be deleted. As MSJapan never withdraws his own nominations, can we get an Admin to close this down early under WP:SNOW ?

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