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The result was delete. Wow, this was uber-confusing to figure out, between the socking, the copying of comments from other pages, and the eclectic formatting. But, it looks like the clear consensus (after ignoring all the socking) is to delete the current Debelo Brdo article, and then rename Debelo brdo to Debelo Brdo. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:58, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm placing this on behalf of User:Jovan741jov, who appears to be having difficulties working out how to request an article deletion. Going by the article talk page (and a previous speedy deletion attempt), they are claiming that there is no such village, only a mountain - and we do also have an article at Debelo brdo about the mountain. There is a source given to support a census population claim (but it's offline and in Serbian). I have no opinion on this myself, I'm just doing this to help a new user. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:30, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Copied from talk page by Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC): Debelo Brdo village does not exist on this world. This article must be quickly deleted from Wikipedia project. Debelo brdo mountain exist.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jovan741jov (talk • contribs) [reply]
• Jovan741jov says they cannot edit this page, so I'm copying this comment here from my talk page, Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC): You must requesting to other Administrators to village Debelo Brdo be deleted. Census is incorrect and census is just a copy from the village Leskovice census in Kolubara district. Jovan741jov (talk) 18:16, 27 November 2015 (UTC) (Leskovice has different census figures, so I don't know what they're talking about, but I'm just the messenger here. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC)) Debelo Brdo village cannot exist, because it is a mountain.[reply]

Debelo Brdo village is a incorrect article who must be deleted by Administrators. Jovan741jov (talk) 20:22, 27 November 2015 (UTC))[reply]

I agree. Debelo Brdo is a plateau, part of mount Povlen. Leskovice are once settlement on Povlen mount. In Kolubara District does not exist settlement whose carry Debelo Brdo name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gardasilija (talk • contribs) 00:39, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete the present article at Debelo Brdo and move the article at Debelo brdo to Debelo Brdo.

Debelo Brdo was a legitimate article about the mountain until 15 February of this year, when an IP editor replaced the contents of the article with a hoax about a fictitious village. I have restored the version of the article immediately before that vandalism (apart from keeping the AfD notice), and that would be the end of it, if it weren't for the fact that when the article Debelo Brdo was created in November 2013‎ it was a duplication of an existing article about the mountain, at Debelo brdo. There is no significant content in Debelo Brdo that is worth merging, so the best thing to do is to simply move Debelo brdo to its correct capitalisation at Debelo Brdo, which will result in deletion of the unnecessary duplicate article, and also removal of the hoax from the history.

For anyone who wishes to confirm that there is no village called "Debelo Brdo" in the municipality of Valjevo, Serbia, I have searched extensively, and checked numerous sources, and I will provide two examples of sources that make it clear beyond all doubt. This web page shows a satellite map of the area around Valjevo, with places labelled. You can zoom in to various different scales, right up to the point where you can see individual buildings. As you go to larger and larger scales, more and more places are labelled, until not only are towns, villages, and districts within towns labelled, but so are individual streets. At no point does a village called "Debelo Brdo" appear on the map. It is inconceivable that a genuine village in the area would be omitted. One other source which would also be expected to show the village and doesn't is this, which lists all places within a 16 km radius of Valjevo (162 places in all), but does not mention any place with either of the words "Debelo" or"Brdo" in its name. (To avoid risk of confusion, there are villages called "Debelo Brdo" in several parts of the Balkans, but none of them is in the municipality of Valjevo in Serbia, as stated in the article, nor even in or near Kolubara District, which includes the municipality of Valjevo.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@JamesBWatson: I disagree with you. I would move the article Debelo Brdo at Debelo brdo or delete article Debelo Brdo. Debelo brdo article is totaly correct... User:Gardasilija (talk) 14:34, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's what he said. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Boing! Said Zabedee: Don't change,edit or redirect anything at Debelo brdo article. Don't copy a text from the Debelo brdo article to Debelo Brdo article. Just delete Debelo Brdo article because it is duplicate. User:Gardasilija (talk) 15:01, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

When Debelo Brdo is deleted, Debelo brdo needs to be moved (that is renamed) to the correct capitalization - nobody is suggesting copying anything anywhere. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect per WP:GEOLAND. I was able to locate this place here, here, and here. This is a name of a mountain ridge. It doesn't seem to fall into "populated, legally recognized places" (since there doesn't appear to be a population at this exact place), but it does appear to fall within "named natural features". If anything, you could redirect both articles to Povlen (it looks like this place is part of that mountain). ~Oshwah~ ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:22, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have very carefully read and re-read WP:GEOLAND, and I can't see anything at all there which in any way suggests we should have a redirect, rather than keeping (and renaming) the existing article Debelo brdo about the mountain. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:42, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Note to closing administrator. Gardasilija (talk · contribs · count) and Jovan741jov (talk · contribs · count) are  Confirmed socks.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:45, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have struck their comments. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:50, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and move as per JamesBWatson. I'm not entirely surprised to hear about the socking, but !James appears to be right about the content and the required action. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:37, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and rename the article on the mountain as per JamesBWatson and Boing! said Zebedee. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:55, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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